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To: John Valentine; Patrsup

The purpose of the “Natural Born” citizen clause in the Constitution is to prevent some foreign potentate from purchasing the Presidency. It also prevents a domestic faction from importing a President (such was common in Europe at the time). These were big concerns in 1789. They’re still concerns in light of the activities of George Soros. It is not meant to limit the opportunites of a child born to US citizen parents while abroad. Many of our Founding Fathers, including Franklin, Adams and Jefferson spent several years abroad and would well understand the concept that US citizens could very well give birth while abroad.

Natural born citizen means the individual was a citizen by virtue of birthright- either his parents were citizens or (since Reconstruction) he was born wihin the United States. In the case of the former it may take the State Department awhile to complete the paperwork (they need to know that the child the two US Citizens have is really their child).

Complicating this would be the citizenship laws of whatever country the child was born in. If that country has a “born within the boundaries” policy as we do, then the child born to US citizens could posses dual citizenships.


133 posted on 09/30/2009 4:58:10 AM PDT by bobjam
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To: bobjam

Well - let me put it very clearly - I was born of two american (citizen) parents in Saigon Vietnam (at the embassy where my father worked) in 1956. I have a Vietnamese birth certificate (in Vietnamese), an embassy translation of it and a certificate of Naturalization issued also. Given the thought process that I was born of two american parents - I should not have needed the certificate of Naturalization because your argument would make me a natural born citizen.

I cant explain it or justify it - I am just stating the facts.


134 posted on 09/30/2009 5:05:14 AM PDT by Patrsup (To stubborn to change now)
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To: bobjam

Sorry, but your jury-rigged definition bears little relation to reality, or to the Framers intent.

As for the Framers or the Founder’s concern for foreign birth, they were diplomats, and I concede with ease that the special case of diplomats on a mission for their country warrants a different treatment. First of all and mainly, no host country would entertain the notion of claiming children of diplomats as their own citizens. If these would not be citizens of their home countries, they would be stateless.

But individuals on commercial travels, or travels for leisure, or for other personal purposes have no such special status and children born in a foreign land could very easily be claimed as citizens by those foreign states.

In fact the United States has provided by statute that under certain specified conditions, children born to US citizens abroad may be considered as US citizens, but this statutory provision is a plenary act by the Congress under the authority of the naturalization clause of the Constitution. It is NOT a form of Natural Born Citizenship.


136 posted on 09/30/2009 5:14:52 AM PDT by John Valentine
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