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1 posted on 10/08/2009 2:14:43 PM PDT by Art in Idaho
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To: Art in Idaho

Good job. Let us know what they say. We have to get at least one state check in 2012 and beyond. This is insane.


2 posted on 10/08/2009 2:19:16 PM PDT by Frantzie (Do we want ACORN running America's health care?)
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To: Art in Idaho
Good idea, but other vital records such as college transcripts and full medical records should also be released by the candidates.
4 posted on 10/08/2009 2:36:55 PM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: Art in Idaho
I have advocated this, and I have suggested it to my state representatives in Georgia before I moved this Summer. I will be bringing something similar to this to my State representative and State Senator here in Florida. Seems like this was introduced in Oklahoma back in January or February. I don’t remember what the outcome was.

My only suggestion would be to expand it to have adequate documentation required of any candidate for any federal office with constitutional requirements for age or citizenship. That way it doen’t sound like you are singling out anyone in particular. We really do need this for Senators and Representatives as well as for POTUS and VPOTUS.

This is a much better place to focus our efforts than trying to do anything about what happened in 2008.


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6 posted on 10/08/2009 2:44:08 PM PDT by cc2k (Are you better off today than you were $4,000,000,000,000 ago?)
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To: Art in Idaho
I'm in favor of the effort, but you might want to remove the following:

"Since allegiance of the potential President and Commander-in-Chief was the main concern of the Founding Fathers, 'Natural Born Citizen' has been understood to mean meeting the following two requirements: . You must be born in the United States; “on US soil” and . Both of your parents must be U.S. citizens at the time of your birth."

This is not accurate. I realize many of you have convinced yourselves it is, but that doesn't make it so. If you leave it in it's going to scream "Birther" and may actually make the letter counter-productive.

All you need to say is that a candidate should submit documentation proving his eligibility for the office.

8 posted on 10/08/2009 3:34:57 PM PDT by mlo
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To: Art in Idaho

Well done. Thank you!!!


9 posted on 10/08/2009 3:41:23 PM PDT by Faith
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To: Art in Idaho
"[I] find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill], which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.”

I am no constitutional expert but I don’t think that is what it says particularly this part: “of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty.”

I believe that the 14 amendment views anyone born in the US as automatically a citizen regardless of the parents status (with one exception for foreign diplomats stationed in the US).

There are two legal principals regarding citizenship that is not gained through naturalization. The first is jus sanguines witch is (the law of blood) which automatically confers full citizenship to anyone born to two US citizens anywhere in the world. The second is jus soli the (law of place) which automatically confers full citizenship on anyone born within the US. These principals have been around for a long time and there is a ton of legal president and jurisprudence which is based on them.

The Supreme Court has never defined the term “Natural Born” because the issue has never come up before. I suspect they would view anyone born in the US or anyone born to two US citizens as a natural born citizen.

Under jus sanguines (the law of blood) the citizenship of the parents is critical to conveying citizenship. Under is jus soli the (law of place) the nationality of the parents is completely irrelevant as we see today with illegal immigrants and their US citizen offspring.

13 posted on 10/08/2009 3:59:53 PM PDT by usurper (Spelling or grammatical errors in this post can be attributed to the LA City School System)
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To: Art in Idaho

Good Luck.


18 posted on 10/08/2009 4:24:22 PM PDT by exnavy (GOD save the republic)
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To: Art in Idaho
Thanks Art. Add:

1.) All documents presented, shall be made available for public scrutiny within (yadda, yadda, )days etc...

2.) Challenges by state's citizens to the validity of submitted documents shall be reviewed and (yadda, yadda, yadda)........

3.) Candidates shall make available for pubic scrutiny all school records, police records, court records etc.....

24 posted on 10/09/2009 5:55:13 AM PDT by urtax$@work (The best kind of memorial is a Burning Memorial.........)
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To: Art in Idaho

problem is that such laws exist already in reality. NJ for example allowed a man who was not a us citizen on the ballot with a green card.
The Secretary of each state has the reproducibility to verify the candidate before they are put on a ballot in their state.

What would be most beneficial at this point is a clear understanding by everyone of what exactly a “natural born citizen” is.
Obama himself never claimed to be a “natural born citizen”, but rather a “native citizen” on his fight the smears web page for example.


28 posted on 10/11/2009 11:02:12 AM PDT by Munz (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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