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The Two Million Frog March (Why 9-12-2009 spells trouble for Republicans and Democrats alike)
September 15, 2009 | cc2k

Posted on 09/15/2009 10:31:35 AM PDT by cc2k

There’s an old story about frogs in a pot. If you turn the heat up slowly enough you can cook them alive because by the time they notice that it’s too hot in the pot, the have lost their ability to jump out.

Think of the American people as the frogs. And Washington DC as the kitchen. Over the years (many many years, like since at least the 1930’s, perhaps since the teens of last century), both political parties have been advocates of cooking the frogs. The Republicans have advocated a slow simmer, because if you cook the frogs too quickly, they jump out of the pot. The Democrats favor a high, rolling boil.

In 2008, Democrats won big in the elections, and they looked at how much the Republicans had turned up the heat in the last ten years and figured the frogs are finally dead. So, they thought, “let’s put the burner up to high and finish cooking them.” To their surprise, the frogs started jumping out of the pot.

That’s what has happened this year, starting with the TEA parties, continuing through the summer town hall meetings, and reaching a crescendo at the 9-12-2009 march on Washington. The frogs are out of the pot now, and they are mad as hell.

Now, the newly freed frogs are looking around the kitchen, and recognizing the voices they heard while they were in the pot, they realize that the Republicans were the ones saying, “Go slow. Just simmer them for a good long time, they will be so tender that way.” And they recognize the Democrats as the ones that were saying, “Yes, but we’re hungry now. We have to boil them quickly, we need to eat soon.”

The problem is the frogs don’t want to be cooked. They are looking for someone who favors turning off the stove and setting the remaining frogs free. And they aren’t finding anyone taking that position.

The Republicans might think they can harness this passion, get in front and lead this movement. But, for most of them, they are really leading in the wrong direction. They have to turn around and run fast to get to the front of this movement. It’s going the other way.

And there are so many “history revisors” trying to convince you that not only is everything that Obama and the Democrats propose is bad, but they want you to believe that everything bad that has happened has been because of Democrats. They tell you Republicans have always been on your side. This just isn’t true, and most of the frogs know it.

Over the last few weeks, I’ve heard so much “news” about how we got to where we are. I call it “news” because it doesn“t match what I know to be true. It is an attempt by Republican supporters to convince you to support them. The want you to believe that the Republicans had nothing to do with how we got to this point, and that they are the only solution to get us out of the bad spot we find ourselves in. Here are a few examples:

Revised “News”

The Truth

Obama took over the auto companies. George W. Bush, in December of 2008, started this takeover by authorizing funds from the TARP program to be loaned to GM and Chrysler. Obama just picked up where George Bush left off, continuing the takeover, firing the CEO of GM and “investing” even more taxpayer money into both GM and Chrysler.
ACORN gets all funding from Democrat initiatives Again, the Bush Administration authorized and disbursed funds to ACORN for various programs. Much of the $53,000,000 plus in taxpayer funds that have been given to ACORN over the years have been paid by the Bush Administration. And I’m fairly certain that many Republican Congress Critters and Senators have voted in favor of bills containing funding for ACORN over the years.
Republicans are the party of “smaller government.” This might have been true in the past, perhaps even as recently as 1994-1998, but since 2001, the Republicans have consistently favored growth of big government programs:
  • 1998, after approving 100% of what the Clinton administration requested for the Department of Education, Bill Clinton decided that if the Republicans agreed, then he obviously didn’t ask for enough. So he threatened to veto the FY 1999 spending bill unless additional increases were included. The Republicans caved and gave him even more money.
  • 2001, No Child Left Behind. George W. Bush and Ted Kennedy agreed to another major expansion of the Department of Education. Remember, this was one of the departments that the 1994 “Contract with America” proposed to eliminate.
  • 2001, Medicare Prescription Drug Coverage. A new entitlement, created by Republicans, costing into the hundreds of billions in the years since it passed, and adding many trillions to the unfunded future commitments to all American retirees.
I could go on, but the explosion of “discretionary non-defense spending” under George W. Bush and the Republican Congresses from 2001 through 2005 or 2006 is fairly well documented.

I’ll be writing more pieces shortly detailing some things we can do to move in the right direction. We do need to educate ourselves, and our neighbors about many things. The situation we are in now is complex, and it can’t be fixed entirely through federal elections and the Congress. I do think we have to rebuild this country to get it back, but it needs rebuilding from the bottom up. And we must be much more vigilant. I hope people have awakened to the point where they will not easily be lulled back to sleep.

I’m not sure whether the Republican party can become part of the solution, or if it is so damaged and such an integral part of the problem that it can’t be saved. One thing is certain, without major restructuring and a commitment to the kind of changes we really need, they will be irrelevant at best, and an obstacle to be overcome at worst.


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I was at a rally of over a thousand people in Crystal River, FL on 9-12-2009.

There was a man there (he gave his name, but I honestly don’t remember) who told the story of the frogs in the pot. That was part of my inspiration for this piece.

Then, after hearing Rush yesterday telling how this had to be an opportunity for the Republicans, and no other options could work, I think he is also missing the point. 9-12-2009 wasn’t good news for the Republicans. They need to listen to the people just as much as the Democrats.

1 posted on 09/15/2009 10:31:36 AM PDT by cc2k
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To: cc2k
If you don't vote for Chef McCain who is setting the burner at 7 you'll get Chef Obama who will set it at 10.
2 posted on 09/15/2009 10:35:14 AM PDT by KarlInOhio ("I can run wild for six months ...after that, I have no expectation of success" - Admiral Obama-moto)
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To: cc2k

NICE!!


3 posted on 09/15/2009 10:36:00 AM PDT by LongElegantLegs (You know how it is: you wait ages for a good sperm story and then they all come at once.)
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To: cc2k
But they weren't put in the pot (if indeed to follow your insult of calling Americans Frogs). They came mostly on their own. Some indeed came with their Tea party friends, but not for someone else to eat.

They are angry at being called "UnAmerican, Nazis, and Astroturf"... to which you are trying to add the epithet of "Frogs". They are angry at the Stimulus (of which Obama and friends are holding back 80% right now), Cap and Trade which will require a New Roof, Furnace, A/C, Hot-water Heater etc. in the year they try to sell it.

And being stuffed into Obama-Kennedy Care. Any change forces them into it.

Yeah, they are mad. They are mad at people like you calling them things like "Frogs"

4 posted on 09/15/2009 10:41:43 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: cc2k

I loathe RINOs and the GOp has mega problems. The Dems on the other hand have become criminals.

Under Bush we had 5% unemployment and they tried to stop Fannie & Freddie destroying the financial system but the Dem Congress stopped them. Bush should have pushed harder but there is no comparison.

The GOP needs to get rid of RINOs. The Democrat Party moderates refused to stand up to Obama/ACORN/SEIU criminals.


5 posted on 09/15/2009 10:43:16 AM PDT by Frantzie (Lou Dobbs & Glenn Beck- American Heroes! Bill O'Reilly = Liar)
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To: cc2k
Think of the American people as the frogs.

No way.

6 posted on 09/15/2009 10:43:44 AM PDT by Tribune7 (I am Jim Thompson!)
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To: cc2k
I will vote for candidates whom I consider to be true Conservatives. Sarah Palin, for example.

It is my wish that the GOP would explicitly emphasize state sovereignty and the nation-wide push to reclaim the 10th Amendment. The GOP should come right out and try to weaken the federal government. We need a strong military -- other than that, what do I want the federal government to do? Not much. This would be the right thing to do for the country, and I think it would be a winning platform.

But Democrat-lite policies and RINOs won't get me to the polls anymore.

7 posted on 09/15/2009 10:45:18 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Play the Race Card -- lose the game.)
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To: Frantzie

Good point. Ironically, McInsane was the one who screamed the first and loudest warning about Fannie & Freddie.


8 posted on 09/15/2009 10:46:20 AM PDT by Tribune7 (I am Jim Thompson!)
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To: Tribune7

Yes - possibly the only good thing Juan Pedro McLame has done since he was in the Senate. He did try. Bush should have veto’ed any and every bill until Fannie & Freddie were regulated properly or shut down.


9 posted on 09/15/2009 10:55:59 AM PDT by Frantzie (Lou Dobbs & Glenn Beck- American Heroes! Bill O'Reilly = Liar)
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To: cc2k
Politicians are effects. Voters are the cause. Stop blaming the politicians, and start taking responsibility for yourself, your future and your country. If you expect "leaders" of any political party to save you, you will be disappointed.

In 1776, George Washington needed the full support and backing of the people to get the job done. And they sacrificed their wealth, and their very lives, to obtain a successful result.

Those of us not willing to take the same level of personal responsibility, and make (if necessary) the same sacrifices, have no right to blame leaders, politicians or political parties for our own failures.

There's a reason we only have two political parties that matter, and the reason is mathematical: In a winner-take-all electoral system, there can only be two parties of any consequence. And in the 235 years of our history, there is only one instance where a new party replaced one of those two (the Republicans replaced the Whigs.) The important word there is replaced. There will still just two parties of any consequence.

What has happened much more frequently is for one or the other party to be taken over from the inside by activists with a new philosophy, vision and agenda. That strategy is much more likely to succeed than attempting to replace one of the parties with a new one.

Don't sit there at your computer bitching. Go do what needs to be done.

10 posted on 09/15/2009 11:07:52 AM PDT by sourcery (Party like it's 1776!)
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To: Tribune7
If there were three parties "Boil", "Simmer" and "Turn it off", this would be clear. We seem to be stuck with Boil and Simmer. The tea party movement is the only thing lately to give me any hope.

Think of the American people as the frogs.

Frogs-Americans?. My ancestors may have been French Canadian, but I am 100% American dang it. ;-)

11 posted on 09/15/2009 11:08:26 AM PDT by CDFingers (Free Massachusetts)
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To: cc2k

Obama took over the auto companies.

George W. Bush, in December of 2008, started this takeover by authorizing funds from the TARP program to be loaned to GM and Chrysler. Obama just picked up where George Bush left off, continuing the takeover, firing the CEO of GM and “investing” even more taxpayer money into both GM and Chrysler.


Obama threw a fit when he met with President Bush. Something that was forgotten. And Obama has supported the decision. He just says “I didn’t START this changeover”.

Also Paulson had HORRIBLE ideas.

Just because Boosh supported it doesn’t mean that conservatives supported it. Kind of hard to vote him out of office in December 2008.

And McCain was no sweetheart. But he wasn’t a foreign schooled Marxist.


12 posted on 09/15/2009 11:08:38 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: cc2k; rabscuttle385; Arizona Carolyn; dcwusmc; bamahead; roamer_1
RE:” And there are so many “history revisers” trying to convince you that not only is everything that Obama and the Democrats propose is bad, but they want you to believe that everything bad that has happened has been because of Democrats. They tell you Republicans have always been on your side. This just isn’t true, and most of the frogs know it.

Yes, Rush was on this theme yesterday that the Tea Protesters were only mad at democrats, not republicans. No, we are mad because both parties are out to screw us.

I get pings from the revisers every day." GWB got a bad economy in 2001, saved it with tax cuts but Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and Jimmy Carter and Clinton wrecked the golden Bush economy. " also " The Bush tax cuts paid for themselves, and the two wars and Iraq reconstruction too. All the debt was democrats fault, democrats and a few RINOs maybe but not real republicans. ". We didnt even need the Iraq oil to pay for Iraq like Cheney promised us on NBC, tax cuts paid for all the wars and homeland security too(and Obama-care will pay for itself too when no one gets sick anymore LOL.) .

13 posted on 09/15/2009 11:13:38 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Socialist Conservatives: "'Big government is free because tax cuts pay for it'")
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To: KarlInOhio
Doesn't it go to eleven?


14 posted on 09/15/2009 11:15:28 AM PDT by LongElegantLegs (You know how it is: you wait ages for a good sperm story and then they all come at once.)
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To: cc2k
And oldie but a goody:

The Price Of Free Corn

L

15 posted on 09/15/2009 11:16:54 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Frantzie

Everyone needs to recognize the TRUE political battle -

it’s between the elitists
and the individualists.


16 posted on 09/15/2009 11:16:56 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: cc2k
I was at a rally of over a thousand people in Crystal River, FL on 9-12-2009.

I think my in-laws were there... that's a good turnout for such a small town, isn't it?

17 posted on 09/15/2009 11:16:56 AM PDT by nutmeg (Obamunism is destroying America)
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To: KarlInOhio
If you don't vote for Chef McCain who is setting the burner at 7 you'll get Chef Obama who will set it at 10.

That's the point. Maybe it was better that the "10" setting jolted the the frogs enough to jump out of the pot. If it had been kept at "7" by Republicans we might have never jumped and could have lost our jumping ability. Maybe the slap in the face, which is the Obama administration, was necessary to "wake up" the nodding citizenry.

18 posted on 09/15/2009 11:20:33 AM PDT by Prokopton
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To: Frantzie
"The GOP needs to get rid of RINOs"

We need to take over the GOP and kick the RINO's out ourselves.

19 posted on 09/15/2009 11:20:53 AM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: cc2k

Did the frogs who were being cooked go out and send gun and ammo sales through the roof? There is a difference between frogs and patriots.


20 posted on 09/15/2009 11:20:53 AM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: cc2k

Been my contention all along ...the RINO’s would cram this “healthcare” bill down our throats in a New York minute....’cept none of them have the stones...


21 posted on 09/15/2009 11:22:36 AM PDT by mo
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To: AmericanVictory

Over 9 million successful NICS checks since January,
over 1 million last month.


22 posted on 09/15/2009 11:26:22 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: Frantzie

We need to vote out every unreliable Republican. If somebody has one in office that’s good half the time, then they need to go. We also absolutely must vote out Graham and McCain, whose core value in office as I’ve said is compromise. There was no legitimate reason Graham could have offered to vote to confirm racist Sotomayor. McCain’s CFR should have been enough to get him kicked out of office, but sadly he’s still in. Granted, I don’t want Soros writing out checks in the tens of millions, but CFR is a huge breach on the First Amendment when it comes to election time.


23 posted on 09/15/2009 11:30:56 AM PDT by wastedyears (The best aid we could ever give Africa would be thousands of rifles to throw out their own dictators)
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To: KarlInOhio

There’s a good analogy.


24 posted on 09/15/2009 11:31:23 AM PDT by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: cc2k

The Republicans and Democrats are really the “Republicrats”. There’s very little difference. Both parties have been compromised beyond repair.

They should scrap the whole thing and have a Conservative Party for people like DeMint and Joe Wilson,a Liberal Party for Boxer, Chuckie Schumer and the rest, and a Moderate Party for McCain, Evan Bayh, Specter and the rest of the middle-of-the-roaders.


25 posted on 09/15/2009 11:40:21 AM PDT by Signalman
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To: cc2k
Think of the American people as the frogs.

I can do that and know my children are pissed!

26 posted on 09/15/2009 11:50:23 AM PDT by FrogMom (No such thing as an honest democrat!)
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To: nutmeg; sourcery
nutmeg wrote:
I think my in-laws were there... that's a good turnout for such a small town, isn't it?
Yeah, It’s a town of under 4,000 people I think. The draw for the crowd was several speakers, including Congresswoman Ginny Brown-Waite.

She was generally well received. Perhaps not for the best reasons, though. But there were some surprises. I was surprised to see one thing. She went against the Obama administration on Cash for Clunkers, saying if they couldn’t run that, how could we expect them to run a national health care system. The problem there is Ginny Brown-Waite voted for Cash for Clunkers (twice, once to set it up, then again to give more funding to the program). Many of the people I spoke with were aware of her votes, though. And most think she didn’t represent them well on that.

The other problem is the biggest thing she has against the health care proposals is the cuts in Medicare. She’s trying to position herself (and the GOP to a large degree) as the ones defending and “saving” Medicare. In her defense, she represents more Medicare beneficiaries than any other Congressperson in the House, and it would be political suicide to say anything against that popular program at this time.

sourcery wrote:
Politicians are effects. Voters are the cause. Stop blaming the politicians, and start taking responsibility for yourself, your future and your country. If you expect "leaders" of any political party to save you, you will be disappointed.
We’re in agreement on this point.

And I do actually do much more than just sit at my computer. Not a week goes by that I don’t write at least one letter (often several) to my Congress Critter and to my Senators. They hear from me often.

I also talk to friends and neighbors about the situation, trying to spread the word about freedom, the constitution, and why we are where we are. I’m also seeing some things that we need to do to start to turn things around. That’s going to be the hard part. It will take more than just a conservative Congress in Washington, though. The problem is much deeper than that, and the solution will need to be broader.

We won’t get anywhere voting for the party of “simmer” though. There has to be a party of “turn it off,” a party of smaller government, more states rights and individual rights, and more liberty and freedom for the people.

I hate to post and run, but I have errands this afternoon. I will be checking back this evening, and expect many more posts from me, not just explaining the current situation, but outlining some steps to get things moving in the direction of freedom and smaller government.

27 posted on 09/15/2009 11:51:07 AM PDT by cc2k (Are you better off today than you were $4,000,000,000,000 ago?)
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To: Prokopton
Yep. I agree. Were it not for the arrogance of Zero setting the burner to 10, we might not have seen how EVIL a setting of 7 would have been. 0bama and congress are scary as hell, but they may just be the silver lining as well.

BTW. The whole frog, 7 to 10 analogy is an excellent counter to the idiots who claim the whole thing is about race.

One of two things will happen. Either the disease will run its course and we can go about our recovery, or ....

28 posted on 09/15/2009 11:52:46 AM PDT by CDFingers (Free Massachusetts)
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To: sourcery

Unfortunately, after Perot’s surprising success, the two parties conspired together, and made sure that 3rd party success is virtually impossible. It’s nice to talk about replacing the GOP with the Limited Government Party (or whatever), but the actual practice is pretty difficult, especially when at least 25% of the GOP faithful simply cannot allow themselves to change that letter in the boxes they check every Election Day.


29 posted on 09/15/2009 11:58:05 AM PDT by Teacher317
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To: cc2k
We won’t get anywhere voting for the party of “simmer” though. There has to be a party of “turn it off,” a party of smaller government, more states rights and individual rights, and more liberty and freedom for the people.

The only way to get such a party is by a) converting your friends and neighbors from couch potatoes into informed voters who know and understand the political philosophy of our nation's Founders, and b) voting for the right people in the primaries, and then the general election. Don't expect such candidates to magically appear on the ballot, though. Getting them there is hard work, and it's our responsibility.

30 posted on 09/15/2009 11:58:21 AM PDT by sourcery (Party like it's 1776!)
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To: Teacher317
Which is why our job is to get the right candidates to run in the primaries, and to get our friends and neighbors to vote for them—because they actually understand why they should.
31 posted on 09/15/2009 11:59:52 AM PDT by sourcery (Party like it's 1776!)
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To: cc2k
You are spot on!!
32 posted on 09/15/2009 12:23:43 PM PDT by Guenevere
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To: cc2k
I see, it's all Bush's Fault. Now where have I heard that before?
33 posted on 09/15/2009 12:39:52 PM PDT by SunTzuWu
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To: cc2k
I’m not sure whether the Republican party can become part of the solution, or if it is so damaged and such an integral part of the problem that it can’t be saved. ....without major restructuring and a commitment to the kind of changes we really need, they will be irrelevant at best, and an obstacle to be overcome at worst. What is your prognosis for the Democrats? Change can only happen if people stay in the (Republican)Party and take action to "steer the ship" back on course. No excuses of not having the time, etc. I was a Democrat and a liberal. Briefly, I was Declined to State until I realized that DTS, Independents, and Libertarians are only "feel good" measures. They have no weight and never will.
34 posted on 09/15/2009 3:54:50 PM PDT by oneamericanvoice (Support freedom! Support the troops! Surrender is not an option!)
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To: Lurker

That’s fantastic! I’m going to make flyers. Thanks for posting it!

Keep up the good fight!


35 posted on 09/15/2009 4:02:50 PM PDT by oneamericanvoice (Support freedom! Support the troops! Surrender is not an option!)
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To: cc2k

btt


36 posted on 09/15/2009 4:03:04 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: cc2k

I thought the general message is that this is an opportunity for the Republicans...to become a party of smaller government, etc.

I suspect that part of the reason the Dems won is because Republicans are angry about all the out of control spending of the last XX years. The frogs already started to jump out of the pot, and they didn’t vote Republican.


37 posted on 09/15/2009 4:55:26 PM PDT by ReagansShinyHair
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To: cc2k
The Republican Party is irrelevant. Its not leading - and its not even following! Washington's political class has no idea of the mood of the American people.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find only things evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelogus

38 posted on 09/15/2009 10:11:00 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: SunTzuWu; AmericanVictory; sourcery; oneamericanvoice; ReagansShinyHair
SunTzuWu wrote:
I see, it's all Bush's Fault. Now where have I heard that before?
You haven’t heard that from me. Ultimately it is our own fault as voters. We have chosen the wrong Presidents, the wrong Congress Critters, the wrong Senators. But we’ve also chosen weak State Legislatures, Governors, county commissioners and all the way down to the local level. Our representatives and executives at the lower levels should also have been standing up and rigorously defending their own powers, instead of allowing Washington DC to usurp many of those powers.

As for Presidents, Bush gave us his share of problems. A fairly large increase in total dollars flowing to Washington DC, A large increase in discretionary spending. A new entitlement. But that certainly wasn’t the start of our problems.

I’ve reached the limit of what I personally have observed (actually exceeded it slightly as I was born during Kennedy's time).
AmericanVictory wrote:
Did the frogs who were being cooked go out and send gun and ammo sales through the roof? There is a difference between frogs and patriots.
Actually, the frogs simmering in the pot haven’t done that so much. Those sales are to the frogs who have jumped out of the pot. And don’t ascribe a negative connotation to the term “frog” as used in this story. It was chosen only to fit with the story of the pot, and raising the temperature slowly.
sourcery wrote:
The only way to get such a party is by a) converting your friends and neighbors from couch potatoes into informed voters who know and understand the political philosophy of our nation's Founders, and b) voting for the right people in the primaries, and then the general election. Don't expect such candidates to magically appear on the ballot, though. Getting them there is hard work, and it's our responsibility.
I'm in total agreement with you on this. See my post today, “Term Limits from the Grass Roots.”
oneamericanvoice wrote:
What is your prognosis for the Democrats? Change can only happen if people stay in the (Republican)Party and take action to "steer the ship" back on course. No excuses of not having the time, etc. I was a Democrat and a liberal. Briefly, I was Declined to State until I realized that DTS, Independents, and Libertarians are only "feel good" measures. They have no weight and never will.
I’m not sure about the Dems. In theory, they could return to recognizing Constitutional limits and returning powers to the states and the people. But it would take a lot to convince me that any individual candidate would actually stand up for Constitutional principles. And I don’t have much hope that the party as a whole ever will. Any Congressional candidate who wanted my support would have to pledge full support to Constitutional limits, vote in accordance with that pledge (or no re-election, and possibly even a recall campaign), and they would have to tell me who they would vote for as Speaker of the House. No votes for Pelosi or any other liberal usurpers in that position.
ReagansShinyHair wrote:
I thought the general message is that this is an opportunity for the Republicans...to become a party of smaller government, etc. I suspect that part of the reason the Dems won is because Republicans are angry about all the out of control spending of the last XX years. The frogs already started to jump out of the pot, and they didn’t vote Republican.

39 posted on 09/17/2009 9:02:38 AM PDT by cc2k (Are you better off today than you were $4,000,000,000,000 ago?)
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To: Frantzie

“The GOP needs to get rid of RINOs.”

Not quite!

We need to force the RINOS out of the GOP leadership!

That is the way it has to go — they will not just quit and slink away — we have to chase them away and expose them for the LIEberals they really are!


40 posted on 09/18/2009 3:26:49 PM PDT by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: sr4402; Interesting Times

I don’t feel like I have been called a FRog.

The point being made is that many Americans were being treated as if they were FRogs, and they did not know it.

They now know it. And, that is a good thing!

Because as the “FRogs” jumped out of the simmering kettle, they transmorgrified into Warriors!

LIEberals and RINOS are terrified of Warriors — particularly Warriors who are willing and able to fight for kith, kin and country.

We’ll find out in the next election just how willing the Newly Awakened American Warrior is.

As my FRiend, Interesting Times is fond of saying, “These are Interesting Times.”


41 posted on 09/18/2009 3:33:54 PM PDT by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: MNJohnnie
MNJohnnie wrote (on another thread):
Kind of curious why there is such desperation to link Republicans and Democrats together as enemies of the 09-12 movement? Seems to me this is an attempt to diver attention from the real problem rather then facing the problem squarely. Seems to be there is an unwillingness to look at the real enemies in this desperation to defend Democrats and smear Republicans.

All elected Democrats, 100% of them, are at odds with the stated agenda of the 09-12 Movement. Some Republicans are enemies of the 09-12 movement, Most are not. A number of them, Like Mike Pence SPOKE to the 09-12 Rally.

So how about people focus on the REAL enemy instead of fraudulent trying to paint Democrats and Republicans with the same brush?

I thought this would be more appropriately answered on this thread.

Actually, I recommend reading the whole article at the top, and also my post #39. Those contain some answers to your questions.

I think your estimate of the Republicans is optimistic. There are some good Republicans. Mike Pence is one of them. He did vote against the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008. On the other hand, he has voted several times to cut off debate and bring large (hundreds of pages) bills to a floor vote before he has had a chance to read the bill, and before the bill has been published on the Internet for sufficient time for any of his constituents to read the bill. I don’t consider that a good thing. And he’s approaching the time where I think term limits should be set (by voters if not by law).

The Republicans are hoping your memory is short, and that you don’t pay attention. That’s the key to victory for them. But in reality, they have been the party of sustainable socialism for at least the last ten years, perhaps longer.

I can also give one example from a fund raising letter and "Obama Agenda Survey" that I just received from the RNC. One of the questions in that survey was:


Do you believe the federal government has gone too far in bailing out failing banks, insurance companies and the auto industry?

My response to that question is this: Yes, I do. But tell me, Chairman Steele, does the Republican party believe they went too far, about far enough, or that they didn’t go far enough when they voted on the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008. That legislation was proposed by a Republican Administration, a Republican Treasury Secretary appointe by a Republican President. Thirty four Republican Senators and ninety-one Republican Representatives in the House voted for that legislation. I personally feel that went too far as well. You won’t be receiving any donations from me if any of this money will be used to support those Representatives and Senators who voted for that bill.


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cc2k:

42 posted on 09/18/2009 8:38:56 PM PDT by cc2k (Are you better off today than you were $4,000,000,000,000 ago?)
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To: cc2k
Only problem with this simplistic “A plague on both their houses” dogma is it is totally divorced from fact.

Find it odd how desperate some supposed "Conservatives" are to keep from ever actually holding the Democrat Party accountable for their actions. Why is that?

No matter what happens these "Conservatives" ALWAYS have to make some shallow argument about how it not really the Democrats who are to blame and "the GOP is just as bad". No they are not as the facts clearly show.

Bush's last deficit. $160 billion

The 0’s 1st defect $1.6 TRILLION

43 posted on 09/19/2009 6:01:43 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Carbon offsets? Sounds like the Environmental Church wants us to buy climate indulgences.)
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To: cc2k
Find it odd how you conveniently forget to mention which party controlled the Congress and the Senate when the TARP bill you so stridently object to passed.

I will meet you half way. Yes, the GOP screwed up. SO WHAT?

They are now the minority party without even enough votes to stage a filibuster in the Senate. A more proper analogy for you might cutting off your nose to spite your face. The GOP wasn't perfect so you all fired them to elect the 0. And just what did that buy you? Every flaw in the GOP you stridently object multiplied 1000 times. Curious why you are so desperate to avoid ever holding the Democrat Party accountable?

Why avoid the 90% of the problem to fixate on the 10%? How about you actually try focusing at least some of your energy on the 90%?

Why spend all your time screaming about past mistakes rather then focusing on current ones? Seems to me all you are accomplishing here is deflecting legitimate criticism from the current regime onto the past one.

Which oddly is also the standard PR tactic of the 0 regime. Blame everything on the last regime rather then own up to it's current errors

44 posted on 09/19/2009 6:12:36 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Carbon offsets? Sounds like the Environmental Church wants us to buy climate indulgences.)
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To: MNJohnnie
I don't think the Republicans are "just as bad". But, I do think the Republicans as currently situated enable the Democrats.

We cannot ignore the fact that there is a third element at play here. It is the ever growing impact of lobbyists and the campaign funds they control. Both parties are controlled far too often and enjoy way to close of a relationship with the special interest groups.

Rather than start a third party or try to change the party from within, conservatives drive both parties to the right from outside the party. The Tea Party movement is the perfect vehicle for this. Fear of not getting reelected is a huge motivating factor.

Republican and even Democrats are not the real enemy - leftist special interest groups are the enemy.

45 posted on 09/19/2009 7:01:24 AM PDT by CharacterCounts (November 4, 2008 - the day America drank the Kool-Aid)
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To: MNJohnnie
MNJohnnie wrote:
Find it odd how desperate some supposed "Conservatives" are to keep from ever actually holding the Democrat Party accountable for their actions. Why is that?

First, you completely mis-state my position. I believe that every Democrat should be voted out of office. They are the party of Marxism. They do not represent what I believe this country should be. They want to go against everything I believe in. I am in no way defending Democrats. I never have, and I probably never will. How you even think you can set up that straw man is beyond me. You are totally dishonest in your statements there.

MNJohnnie wrote:
No matter what happens these "Conservatives" ALWAYS have to make some shallow argument about how it not really the Democrats who are to blame and "the GOP is just as bad". No they are not as the facts clearly show.

Bush's last deficit. $160 billion

First, about those facts, have you checked yours? The budget deficit for FY 2008 was $438,xxx,xxx,xxx, not the $160,xxx,xxx,xxx that you stated. And, if you check the numbers for total public debt, you’ll find that in FY 2008, total debt rose by over $1,000,000,000,000 (that’s a trillion by the way), so there is something screwy with the deficit number being so low that year.

And I held that FY 2001 was a Clinton year, mostly because he signed the bills passed by the Congress in 2000 that set up that year.

For FY 2009, the equation is more complex. The stimulus spending, $787,xxx,xxx,xxx is 100% Obama. The TARP and spending attached to the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 was 100% Bush.

I also hold all spending increases over FY2008 against the Republicans. Here’s why. When the Omnibus 2009 spending bill was being pushed through the House and Senate, Obama wanted it done and out of the way. The leadership in both houses wanted it done and out of the way. There were 12 to 15 Democrat Senators who were very nervous about the huge spending increases in the Omnibus bill. McCain proposed a spending freeze as a substitute for the Omnibus bill. If the Republicans could have held together 38 or 39 votes for the McCain substitute, it would have passed with votes from the Democrat Moderates. But the Republican leadership couldn’t hold even 35 votes together for McCain’s spending freeze amendment (I think the final count was 31 or 32 Republicans, not enough for the moderate dems to get it over 50 votes), so we got the Omnibus bill with the huge spending increases. Do not tell me that was the Democrats fault. It was Republicans who enabled those increases when they had an opportunity to stop them with a spending freeze. Overall, FY 2009 spending and deficits are probably split nearly evenly between Democrats (Marxists) and Republicans (Sustainable Socialists) about evenly in my mind.

I know I probably won’t convince you. You can continue to believe that “Republicans have always been the party of smaller government and fiscal responsibility.” I’m sure you also believe that Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.


From the desk of
cc2k:

46 posted on 09/19/2009 7:02:03 AM PDT by cc2k (Are you better off today than you were $4,000,000,000,000 ago?)
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To: cc2k
Sarah Palin

That right there give the lie to your notions about “the GOP maybe being too damaged to be saved”.

The problem here is your start with a fraudlent assumption (Democrats and Republicans are the same) then build your whole arguement on that mistaken assumption instead of looking at the issue with a serious, balanced view of the facts

You seem curiously afraid to hold the Democrat Party leadership to account and instead want to focus all attention on the past mistakes of the GOP. Why is that?

Why are you so afraid of actually calling the Democrat Party to account? Why do you fixate on the 10% of the problem while stridently ignoring the 90% core of the problem?

47 posted on 09/19/2009 7:09:40 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Carbon offsets? Sounds like the Environmental Church wants us to buy climate indulgences.)
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To: MNJohnnie
Wow, is the GOP Paying you by the post for this stuff?

For the record, I don’t think I’ve ever voted for a Democrat. And I hold both parties responsible for the current mess. From now on, I’m looking at individual candidates, their stand on the issues, and their values which form their position.

I will no longer vote for someone because they are better than the alternative. I know where that leads. It leads to exactly where we are today.

Going forward, I will only vote for someone who I believe is a good choice. I will vote for candidates who share my beliefs and values. I will vote for candidates who wish to move this country in the direction I believe is correct and good. If the GOP can’t deliver candidates like that, I’ll look elsewhere.

And I think my position is in line with the entire 9-12 project goals, and with the tea party protests.

48 posted on 09/19/2009 7:17:11 AM PDT by cc2k (Are you better off today than you were $4,000,000,000,000 ago?)
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To: cc2k
So, in a nutshell, Having mistakenly fallen in love with a fraudulent notion about the GOP, you would rather cling to that mistake set of assumption rather then admit your error and deal with the real problem. Here is a basic fact you seem completely incapable of facing.

All of the things you are so hyper angry at the GOP about took place WITH A DEMOCRAT controlled Congress.

The Legislative, not the Executive branch, crafted all the legislation you are so upset about. Bush had a choice sign it or do nothing. In retrospect he should of done nothing. That would of been the better choice but he did not choose that path.

Spending all your time squally about the GOP merely helps obfuscate the Democrats role in crafting all that legislation you are so upset by.

Rather then focus on the 90% of the problem, you are spending all your time and energy focusing on the past mistakes of the GOP.

I am still waiting to hear SOME rational explanation for why you are so afraid to take on the Democrats.

Everything you are posting is only designed to deflect attention AWAY from the Democrat Party's current, and past, misdeeds by focusing on, or exaggerating, the GOPs sins. Merely recirculating the same argument does not answer that question. Why are you afraid to focus on the Democrats and the O regime? Why are you clinging desperately to past GOP errors instead of focusing on past, and current, Democrat Party conduct?

I will hazard a guess here. I am guessing you are a typical third party activist. Rather then focus honestly, and factually, on the issues at hand, you hope to hijack the 09-12 movement into backing your personal fringe political cause. I suspect you think that if you repeatably post and repost these fraudulent threads attacking the GOP you will some how attract the 09-12ers to your choose political cause.

No other explanation fits why you are so hyper active in spamming this fraudulent doctrine about the GOP everywhere and anywhere you can on this board.

49 posted on 09/19/2009 7:56:03 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Carbon offsets? Sounds like the Environmental Church wants us to buy climate indulgences.)
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To: Bobkk47

A 3 party USA would look exactly like the communist USA Obama has planned for you. France found that out years ago. They’ll be lucky to pull out of the dive before Sharia Law takes over.


50 posted on 09/20/2009 7:47:16 AM PDT by CRBDeuce (here, while the internet is still free of the Fairness Doctrine)
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