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Respected Democrat Encourages 'Naive' Obama to Emulate Bush; Honored Vet Says 'Stan Not 'Nam
Sunday, October 11, 2009 | Kristinn

Posted on 10/11/2009 11:34:51 AM PDT by kristinn

As the debate on Afghanistan comes to the fore, a well respected Democrat has urged Barack Obama to emulate the wartime courage and leadership of former President George W. Bush by implementing the 'surge' strategy recommended by Gen. Stanley McChrystal.

Former Sen. Bob Kerrey, a Medal of Honor recipient of the Vietnam war, wrote an op-ed published in The Wall Street Journal Friday night that congratulated Obama on his Nobel Peace Prize but then went on to criticize Obama for being "naive" and apologizing for America too much. The news media has ignored this article by the former 9/11 Commission member and candidate Obama supporter. It has been noted by a handful of bloggers.

Kerrey admits he is tempering his criticism, but his words still sting:

On vision, President Obama is very inspiring. He has given moderates in Muslim countries room to move by speaking to them directly and respectfully, while at the same time continuing to wage an aggressive and necessary battle against radical Islamists who have declared war on the U.S. However, he has made too many apologies. And at this point, his strategy is too naïve and has too little coherence to be called a strategy. If the issue of foreign policy had been more important in his presidential campaign—and therefore important to the electorate—I might be more critical. And if I weren't a supporter, my judgment would be harsher. But in this realm, I'm still hoping for improvement.

Kerrey implies Bush is a "great American leader" for his decision to 'surge' to victory in Iraq after the 2006 elections:

In December 2006, President George W. Bush was faced with a similarly difficult foreign policy decision. The Republicans had suffered tremendous losses in the November election, in part because of the conduct of the war in Iraq. At the time, the unpopular Republican president was being pressured by ascendant congressional Democrats and some members of his own party into withdrawing from Iraq. Failure in Iraq loomed, as public opinion for the effort to help the democratically elected government survive had faded thanks to a series of tactical blunders and inaccurate assessments of what would be needed to accomplish the mission.

Then, against all reasonable predictions, President Bush chose to increase rather than decrease our military commitment. The "surge," as it became known, worked. Victory was snatched from the jaws of defeat.

From what I have seen, President Obama has the same ability to step outside the swirl of public opinion and make the right decision....

...There is surely a strong temptation to conform his better judgment to popular opinion. If he chooses this politically safe route and does not give his military commander on the ground the resources needed to win, history will judge him harshly. Great American leaders of our past have ignored popular sentiment and pressed on during the darkest hours, even when setbacks give rhetorical ammunition to the skeptics.

Kerrey concludes with an impassioned plea for victory:

...our leaders must remain focused on the fact that success in Afghanistan bolsters our national security and yes, our moral reputation. This war is not Vietnam. The Taliban are not popular and have very little support other than what they secure through terror.

Afghanistan is also not Iraq. No serious leader in Kabul is asking us to leave. Instead we are being asked to withdraw by American leaders who begin their analysis with the presumption that victory is not possible. They seem to want to ensure defeat by leaving at the very moment when our military leader on the ground has laid out a coherent and compelling strategy for victory.

When it comes to foreign policy, almost nothing matters more then your friends and your enemies knowing you will keep your word and follow through on your commitments. This is the real test of presidential leadership. I hope that President Obama—soon to be a Nobel laureate—passes with flying colors.

It's a sad state of affairs when Saturday Night Live gets more attention from the media when it comes to criticizing Obama on the war than someone with Bob Kerrey's qualifications.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; War on Terror; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; bho44; bhodod; bhogwot; bobkerrey; cicobama; obama; obamaisamuslim; vietnamii
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1 posted on 10/11/2009 11:34:52 AM PDT by kristinn
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To: kristinn

In Obama’s case, the medium is the message.


2 posted on 10/11/2009 11:38:33 AM PDT by Steely Tom (Without the second, the rest are just politicians BS.)
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To: kristinn

This, sadly, seems about as much as can be hoped for right now from Establishment Democratic Politicians.


3 posted on 10/11/2009 11:38:56 AM PDT by supremedoctrine
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To: kristinn
Yo, Bobby, the whole point of the Norwegian Nobel Peace Prize was that Obama is the Anti-Bush, you silly man.
4 posted on 10/11/2009 11:47:24 AM PDT by Chgogal (American Mugabe, get your arse out of my bank, my car, my doctor's office & my elec. utility.)
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To: kristinn
Obama: This is not the Bob Kerrey I used to know.

The former senator actually makes alot of sense here. I'm shocked.

5 posted on 10/11/2009 11:48:00 AM PDT by McGruff (Go rogue baby, go rogue!)
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To: kristinn

John Kerry medal of honor, now that is the most that I have been insulted. John Kerry says that he served in Viet Nam but there is no proof. John Kerry accused all Viet Nam Veterans of killing babes and war crimes was bad but to say that he got a medal of honor is an insult!


6 posted on 10/11/2009 11:48:03 AM PDT by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: kristinn

One “tiny” problem for Obama — or rather for the USA. He’s an Ayers Radical and as such views the US military as the cause of world-wide bloody US imperialism. He’s going to cut-n-run.


7 posted on 10/11/2009 11:48:19 AM PDT by avacado
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To: kristinn

He can’t the Nobel people put him in a box. LOL. Foolish communists in Norway have sealed his demise.


8 posted on 10/11/2009 11:49:00 AM PDT by riri (http://rationaljingo.blogspot.com/)
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To: kristinn
John Kerry, eh?

I heard he served in Viet Nam...

9 posted on 10/11/2009 11:49:18 AM PDT by grobdriver (Proud Member, Party Of No! No Socialism - No Fascism - Nobama - No Way!)
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To: mountainlion

Bob Kerrey, not John Kerry.


10 posted on 10/11/2009 11:50:31 AM PDT by real saxophonist (The fact that you play tuba doesn't make you any less lethal. -USMC bandsman in Iraq)
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To: kristinn

Bob Kerrey? Never woulda thought!


11 posted on 10/11/2009 11:52:15 AM PDT by Joann37
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To: kristinn

Bob Kerrey’s criticism of Obama will surely be reported extensively by the enemedia. NOT!


12 posted on 10/11/2009 11:55:29 AM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: Joann37

Re: “Bob Kerrey? Never woulda thought!”

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Surprising, isn’t it? Kerrey’s old pal, actress Debra Winger, will probably have to call him out on this! Hollywood’s never going to complain about Zero’s ‘apologizing’ to everyone in the world. They love that.


13 posted on 10/11/2009 11:57:30 AM PDT by CaliforniaCon
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To: kristinn

Silk purse, sow’s ear.


14 posted on 10/11/2009 11:58:10 AM PDT by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it*s the new black. Mmm Mmm Mmm.)
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To: mountainlion

No, this is Bob Kerrey, Nebraska grad, went into the Navy SEALs, was awarded the Medal and held onto it, and dated Debra Winger in her prime, not John Kerry, Yale grad, went into Navy river patrol, and got stuck with Teresa Heinz.


15 posted on 10/11/2009 12:01:22 PM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: kristinn
'Naive' Obama

It's because he's a light-brownish color, isn't it. That's racist.
16 posted on 10/11/2009 12:06:14 PM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out ( <<< click my name: now featuring Freeper classifieds)
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To: jazusamo

Another Clintonista attack on the MESSIAH....
The long knives are being drawn, in the face of Obama’s weakness and incompetence.

These Super-delegates have got to kiccking themselves in the ass for falling for the media hype...


17 posted on 10/11/2009 12:07:36 PM PDT by tcrlaf ("Hope" is the most Evil of all Evils"-Neitzsche)
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To: kristinn

>>> This war is not Vietnam. The Taliban are not popular and have very little support other than what they secure through terror. <<<

Am I to suppose that the Vietcong WERE popular and had lots of support in South Vietnam and Cambodia, aside from what they secured through terror?

This doesn’t accord with the history I’ve read, especially for the period of time after Tet.


18 posted on 10/11/2009 12:13:43 PM PDT by Poe White Trash (Wake up!)
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To: kristinn
In December 2006, President George W. Bush was faced with a similarly difficult foreign policy decision. The Republicans had suffered tremendous losses in the November election, in part because of the conduct of the war in Iraq. At the time, the unpopular Republican president was being pressured by ascendant congressional Democrats and some members of his own party into withdrawing from Iraq. Failure in Iraq loomed, as public opinion for the effort to help the democratically elected government survive had faded thanks to a series of tactical blunders and inaccurate assessments of what would be needed to accomplish the mission.

Then, against all reasonable predictions, President Bush chose to increase rather than decrease our military commitment. The "surge," as it became known, worked. Victory was snatched from the jaws of defeat.

Actually, the surge was decided on and planned for before the November election. One of the principle reasons for the "tremendous losses" was that almost no Republicans in Congress defended the need for the war in Iraq, nor stood with the President in calling for a victory there. Our troops were abandoned by almost everyone except President Bush.

But other than that error, GOOD for Kerrey for telling the truth about Obama and his naive apologetic, (anti-American) pseudo-foreign policy.

19 posted on 10/11/2009 12:15:49 PM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: tcrlaf

That’s a real possibility and with his incompetence coming to light more and more it wouldn’t be surprising to see Hillary challenge him again.


20 posted on 10/11/2009 12:17:46 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: kristinn

bttt.


21 posted on 10/11/2009 12:29:28 PM PDT by rdl6989
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To: kristinn

How dare he attempt to advise a Nobel Prize winner...


22 posted on 10/11/2009 12:30:22 PM PDT by El Sordo
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To: tcrlaf

Kerrey wasn’t as bad as Clinton would have been, I think. We might have been better off if he had won the Demo nomination in ‘92.


23 posted on 10/11/2009 12:32:25 PM PDT by TNCMAXQ
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To: kristinn
And if I weren't a supporter, my judgment would be harsher.

Sounds borderline racist to me.
24 posted on 10/11/2009 12:33:36 PM PDT by Canedawg (FUBO)
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To: kristinn

Knock me over with a feather.

Evidently Bob Kerry didn’t get the memo - you don’t advise the One on military matters....or on any matter......unless it fits in with the Obomunist Agenda....and this advice doesn’t. He’ll learn soon enough.


25 posted on 10/11/2009 12:35:56 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt (Obama's Deathcare ---- many will suffer and/or die unnecessarily.)
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To: TNCMAXQ

As the respected Sherlock Holmes said about one detective he dealt with, Bob Kerry has always been the pick of a bad lot. I think he does have some integrity and no one can accuse him of disloyalty. There is no doubt that we would have done better with him rather than Slickmeister!


26 posted on 10/11/2009 12:38:54 PM PDT by gbscott1954 (Sarah 2012!!!)
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To: kristinn
If anyone recalls, Bob Kerrey was the one who called Clinton "an unusually good liar."

I guess he can call them at times.

27 posted on 10/11/2009 12:49:01 PM PDT by truthkeeper ("Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill?")
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To: kristinn

I am going to copy /paste this article to every lib I can find


28 posted on 10/11/2009 12:52:17 PM PDT by reefdiver (So how's that HOPE & CHANGE working out for ya ?)
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To: kristinn

ping


29 posted on 10/11/2009 12:56:05 PM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: McGruff
I like this part where he calls out the defeatists in the Democratic party and the Obama administration as, well, defeatists:

Instead we are being asked to withdraw by American leaders who begin their analysis with the presumption that victory is not possible. They seem to want to ensure defeat by leaving at the very moment when our military leader on the ground has laid out a coherent and compelling strategy for victory.

30 posted on 10/11/2009 1:12:50 PM PDT by kristinn (A conspiracy of silence speaks louder than words.)
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To: kristinn

The first rats are beginning to document words that distance them from their lightworker. Just in case.


31 posted on 10/11/2009 1:20:16 PM PDT by Sender (It's never too late to be who you could have been.)
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To: ohioWfan
Between, Kerrey and Dianne Feinstein, there looks to be trouble brewing in the party.

It's funny, since they last got away with it in Vietnam, no matter what the polls show, those with most at stake with the voters seem to end up voting for victory. They may not talk like that all the time, but most politicians have figured out that deep down the American people don't like to lose wars.

32 posted on 10/11/2009 1:30:31 PM PDT by kristinn (A conspiracy of silence speaks louder than words.)
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To: kristinn

ping for future reference


33 posted on 10/11/2009 1:34:40 PM PDT by Wife of D28Man
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To: ohioWfan

Thank you for your correction and analysis!

. . . And thank you President Bush for your courage and vision — you are missed!


34 posted on 10/11/2009 1:53:14 PM PDT by DrDeb
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To: Poe White Trash
>>> This war is not Vietnam. The Taliban are not popular and have very little support other than what they secure through terror. <<<

Am I to suppose that the Vietcong WERE popular and had lots of support in South Vietnam and Cambodia, aside from what they secured through terror?

This doesn’t accord with the history I’ve read, especially for the period of time after Tet.

Yeah. I'm no expert on the subject. But I also suspect we had that war won, and allowed a traitor ridden Congress to piss of the victory.

The North Vietnamese threw everything they had into three major offensives: '68, '72 (IIRC) and '75.

They got badly beaten the first two times, and only succeeded on the third occasion because by then the American Congress had cut off nearly all aid, and fatally weakened morale by otherwise undermining and deligitimizing the South Vietnamese government and armed forces at every opportunity.

Of course this will never be widely admitted until long after the last morsel of flesh from the last 60's "New Left" radical has been expelled from the south end of a north bound worm.

35 posted on 10/11/2009 1:56:41 PM PDT by Stultis (Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia; Democrats always opposed waterboarding as torture)
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To: kristinn
Whoa! Feinstein is also bashing the Messiah about Afghanistan. I'd say trouble is boiling over the top.

Americans don't want to lose this war and they don't want our brave troops killed while the pseudo-Commander in Chief "dithers."

36 posted on 10/11/2009 2:11:23 PM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: kristinn
From what I have seen, President Obama has the same ability to step outside the swirl of public opinion and make the right decision....

I have to disagree with Sen. Kerrey on this.

Obama does not know how to decide anything.

He only knows how to read what is put up on the teleprompter for him to read.

Obama is but a puppet with we don't don't know who all behind him pulling his strings.

37 posted on 10/11/2009 2:24:23 PM PDT by DakotaRed (What happened to the country I fought for?)
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To: mountainlion
Wrong Kerrey. This is Nebraska's Bob Kerrey, not that loser from Massachusetts, John ‘F’in Kerry.
38 posted on 10/11/2009 2:26:19 PM PDT by DakotaRed (What happened to the country I fought for?)
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To: kristinn

“It’s a sad state of affairs when Saturday Night Live gets more attention from the media when it comes to criticizing Obama on the war than someone with Bob Kerrey’s qualifications.”

As Mrs. RQSR has said in the past, the MSM is so up Obama’s tail-end, they’ll never report such critiques as that of the likes of Bob Kerrey, and what strikes me about that is how their adulation, their protectionism if you will of this President is actually undermining his Presidency.

I love it.


39 posted on 10/11/2009 2:54:21 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...Call 'em What you Will, They ALL have Fairies Living In Their Trees.)
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To: gbscott1954

I have to wonder if Kerrey had the same love from the media an Hollywood elites as Clinton did. Perhaps he would have been less electable Though a second Bush/Quayle term would probably have meant Republicans would never have taken a majority in Congress.

If Kerrey had been elected though I think he would not have weakened our defenses as much as Clinton did


40 posted on 10/11/2009 2:55:29 PM PDT by TNCMAXQ
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To: DrDeb
Amen, DrDeb!

I can't think of any group of people who miss President Bush more than our troops in harm's way.

We really need to pray hard for them. They have no CinC any more, but they're still fighting the war.

41 posted on 10/11/2009 3:15:57 PM PDT by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star recipient!)
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To: kristinn

helping our military and saving their lives is not in the to do list
getting homos to be open in the military and have a bunch of drama queen homos is

No words express how I feel about him, his freeloading family and folks like nancy pelosi.

they make me sick


42 posted on 10/11/2009 3:18:42 PM PDT by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman, end of. -end racism end affirmative action)
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To: kristinn

helping our military and saving their lives is not in the to do list
getting homos to be open in the military and have a bunch of drama queen homos is

No words express how I feel about him, his freeloading family and folks like nancy pelosi. and a bunch of people who call them journalists

they make me sick


43 posted on 10/11/2009 3:19:13 PM PDT by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman, end of. -end racism end affirmative action)
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To: jazusamo

I heard that CNN is a great news organisation

LOL

Yea pigs flying outside my house too


44 posted on 10/11/2009 3:20:36 PM PDT by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman, end of. -end racism end affirmative action)
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To: McGruff

Bob Kerry, Sheila Johnson.......seems to be a pattern here....who next?...Barbara Strisand?.....George Clooney ?.......


45 posted on 10/11/2009 3:31:14 PM PDT by TET1968 (SI MINOR PLUS EST ERGO NIHIL SUNT OMNIA)
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To: truthkeeper

“Even a stopped watch.............................


46 posted on 10/11/2009 3:34:21 PM PDT by TET1968 (SI MINOR PLUS EST ERGO NIHIL SUNT OMNIA)
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To: kristinn; All

Bob Kerrey’s a pretty good guy, Democrat or not.


47 posted on 10/11/2009 3:48:05 PM PDT by backhoe (All Across America, the Lights are being relit again...)
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To: tcrlaf

Where have the Clinton’s been lately? BO must have some really bad stuff on them that’s keeping them quiet.


48 posted on 10/11/2009 4:20:08 PM PDT by dandiegirl
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt

Bob Kerry and Diane Feinstein both basically calling BO a chicken sh&^t. I’m hoping the gloves will be off now. Yes, to a previous poster, the radical thinking that BO was raised on is producing great conflict for him. He and Ayers and their ilk hate the military might of the USA and that does present that “tiny” problem.


49 posted on 10/11/2009 4:23:42 PM PDT by dandiegirl
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To: Poe White Trash
Am I to suppose that the Vietcong WERE popular and had lots of support in South Vietnam

Actually the truth is something like that. The side we were backing were the heirs of the French colonials, large landholders extracting oppressive rents from peasants.

One of the problems with Vietnam was that socially, economically and politically we were not on the right side of the war. Thus winning hearts and minds was nearly an impossible task, not that that is a tactic we tried much of.

It was one of the worst fought wars in the history of warfare. We completely overmatched the other side militarily and still managed to keep so much of the population against us that anything like winning was impossible.

50 posted on 10/11/2009 4:32:47 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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