I don't really have to say it, do i?
Posted on 10/13/2009 7:45:31 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan
When a lawyer files complaints and motions without a reasonable basis for believing that they are supported by existing law or a modification or extension of existing law, that lawyer abuses her privilege to practice law. When a lawyer uses the courts as a platform for a political agenda disconnected from any legitimate legal cause of action, that lawyer abuses her privilege to practice law. When a lawyer personally attacks opposing parties and disrespects the integrity of the judiciary, that lawyer abuses her privilege to practice law. When a lawyer recklessly accuses a judge of violating the Judicial Code of Conduct with no supporting evidence beyond her dissatisfaction with the judge’s rulings, that lawyer abuses her privilege to practice law. When a lawyer abuses her privilege to practice law, that lawyer ceases to advance her cause or the ends of justice.
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Regrettably, the conduct of counsel Orly Taitz has crossed these lines, and Ms. Taitz must be sanctioned for her misconduct. After a full review of the sanctionable conduct, counsel’s conduct leading up to that conduct, and counsel’s response to the Court’s show cause order, the Court finds that a monetary penalty of $20,000.00 shall be imposed upon counsel Orly Taitz as punishment for her misconduct, as a deterrent to prevent future misconduct, and to protect the integrity of the Court. Payment shall be made to the United States, through the Middle District of Georgia Clerk’s Office, within thirty days of today’s Order. If counsel fails to pay the sanction due, the U.S. Attorney will be authorized to commence collection proceedings.
(Full Order at the link.)
For anyone else following along, let me explain why Red Steel isn’t able to answer the simple question about whether his own definition of ‘natural born citizen’ is based on ‘two citizen parents’ or ‘no dual citizenship’ or both.
If he answers that someone like Bubba is *not* a NBC, because he’s born with dual citizenships (which he claimed was the standard in #690), then he creates the situation where any number of children born on American soil, to American parents, will not be NBCs. That’s a radically sweeping exclusion policy for the Presidency, disqualifying any number of American children on the grounds of some foreign countries’ laws.
So he can’t say that dual citizenship *alone* makes a child not an NBC. He can’t say that Bubba is not an NBC.
On the other hand, if he takes the only other choice and he answers that someone like Bubba *is* a NBC, because he has two citizen parents (as he defined it in #936), then he concedes that it’s not any dual citizenships on the part of the child that disqualify him from being an NBC. It’s not any inherited allegiances, it’s only the fact that his parents aren’t U.S. citizens. If he admits that Bubba is a natural born citizen, he admits that a person born with dual citizenships can still be a natural born citizen. And he doesn’t want to do that.
So he won’t say that Bubba IS an NBC.
Now, he could say that a child is only disqualified if he’s born to a non-citizen AND inherits a dual citizenship, but that would be terribly inconsistent with his adamant insistence that “two citizen parents” are an absolute requirement for NBC status (#936). Because that doubled-up-requirement would mean that a child born to a non-citizen who DIDN’T inherit dual citizenship would be a NBC.
And so, faced with options that will only serve to demonstrate that the ‘two-parent-citizen’/’no dual citizenship’ theory cannot hold up under even the slightest logical scrutiny, he chooses to...ignore the question entirely and call Obama a chicken.
Check Danae certificate.
They couldn’t say black?
The issue was put to rest when Chief Justice John Roberts administered the Oath of Office.
What part of “...Barack Obama is a natural born American citizen” don’t you understand?
If you want to hang onto the marxist quisling, be my guest.
[To LorenC] “I claim that it cannot be determined until SCOTUS colors in some of the voids and ambiguities left by current precedent. To do that, you need discovery. What I am even less sure of is what remedy may be available if he were to be found ineligible. The effect would more likely be a complete political debilitation until a subsequent election.
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BTW #2, I wouldn’t take apparent consistency among Con Law profs as proof of anything other than the monolithic dominance of postmodern constitutionalism in the academy. Arguments from authority are second-rate. Just because all the professors believe in a flat earth doesn’t make Galileo an idiot.”
Here here... Clap clap!
Obama's honesty? Oh, that's an argument that'll go the distance. /sarc Obama lie all the time and all day long. LoL!
You chose the right profession - you excel! And, it’s just not my opinion, I noticed others have commented, as well. I look forward to your future posts.
Word!
I don't really have to say it, do i?
Well, there are at least a few, including Kreep, Appuzzo, Taitz, Donofrio, Floyd Brown, Phil Berg, Andy McCarthy, Ted Poe, John Culberson, to name a few, who have their doubts.
Why would any professor or lawyer need any particular documentation on anyone to answer that question?
If it's just "that" question - both parents need to be citizens - then they certainly are not going to know it off the top of their heads, even if they think they do. But when I see you waving around FactCheck crapola, I wasn't referring to just 'that' question.
And in the specific case of Obama, why should any professor or lawyer have any doubt as to his Hawaiian birth when Janice Okubo has clearly and concisely stated that she has "seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii."
I can think of a bunch of reasons. One, Janice Okubo didn't say that. Chiyome Fukino did. I know all asian women look can look similar. But try knowing something instead of botching a repeat of talking points. As for "clear and concise", that statement was written by the State AG to be purposely obfuscating. She did NOT say the ORIGINAL BC verified his birth in HI. She said "Vital Records". And the COLB will reflect amendments to those vital records. She ALSO DID NOT MENTION THE COLB at all. Never has, and won't.
Neither I nor any other legal professional will ever hold a physical document that has any more authority on the matter than that statement conveys. Nor will you, or anyone else here.
Pure, unadulterated BS. Find me a damn janitor to talk to, at least they have some common sense.
Where did I say that SCOTUS did not make law? I said it is not the job of SCOTUS to make law.. and yes that makes Roe V. Wade a violation of the Constitutional separation of powers.
The part that you have no idea as to the validity of that statement. You pulled it out of yer arse.
Of course, although some that were otherwise very prominent before being President, unlike Obama, might have. Ike, Reagan, Roosevelt (Teddy),
But riddle me this, for what recent, say 20th or 21st century, President would any plaque placers not have known where to put it, after 9 months in office?
He has said. It was Kapi'olani Medical Center. He wrote a letter saying so
The authenticity of that letter was never confirmed by the White House. If it was authentic, why not say so? When asked about the letter's authenticity, instead Press Secreatary Gibbs went into a big diatribe. The questioner didn't even ask about the location, just if BHO had been born in that particular hospital in Hawaii, which Gibbs went on to state is where BHO was born.
In eight years in office, did George W. Bush ever publicly state what hospital *he* was born in?
I don't know that he personally did so, but it was known, I believe, before he was elected. Since being born in Yale New Haven Hospital - New Haven, Connecticut while your father was attending Yale is a bit of a disadvantage for becoming Texas Governor. Trust me, unless your name is Sam Houston, or you came to Texas before statehood (which includes Houston of course) it's a disadvantage to have been born anywhere outside Texas, unless perhaps your parents were Texans serving in the military. Being in the Ol bidness and having been part owner of the Texas Rangers, helped balance that for "W", and being married to gal from Midland, Texas, didn't hurt either, but being born at Yale hospital, and attending Yale yourself, that's a big down mark.
Ann Richards, his opponent and predicisor ran commercials about him being born with a silver foot in his mouth. Pretty sure she hit on the New Haven birth, or her minions did. Texas Politics isn't quite played by Marquis of Queensberry rules.
It does, but it can be proved, even without counting, and you can't even ask the question unless you know what "+" means. That must be defined. I've done the proof, although I'm not sure I could do it cold, today. That was in 1975, when I was in a "Foundations of mathematics" class with a bunch of education students. I had fun, they suffered from badly blown minds. :) My wife had taken a similar class a few years earlier, at a different school. She liked hers too, and she was an education student at the time, and is now Chair of a Teacher Education department at a small college. Needless to say, she teaches the "Teaching Mathematics" courses. And makes her students like it too. She's good, very good.
Don’t be mad. I did say it was rhetorical and was just commenting in agreement.
Probably could have worded a little better.
Cheers
Yeah! Finally reached the end and mlo never answered my post at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2361329/posts?page=812#812
Oh well.
Look at the bright side, she’s doing a crappy job of it. LOL
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