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To: Quiller

You don’t want me to consider you part of the problem, but if I suggest you and the other Conservative teachers need to take a public stand, you tell me I’m all wet.

Okay, in your mind it’s not fair for me to group you all together. So who is taking a public stand on this? Well, nobody. 100% of the teachers accept the materials given, the programs implemented, the propaganda presented, and do nothing about it.

You mention that some teachers don’t use the assigned books, and use outside materials to teach their children decent things. What seems to escape you is that there are many teachers out there who use the prescribe materials. And for some reason, the abuse leveled on those kids is okay with you. It is reasonable to you that those kids get shafted. Hey, you’re doing what you can right?

You should know better than anyone what outrageous things are taking place in our schools. Do you object loudly in public? Why no, you allow it to continue. It may not be continuing in your room, put you satisfy yourself that it really doesn’t matter, if it happens in a lot of other rooms.

And you don’t consider yourself part of the problem? Good grief, where do you folks get your moral thinking caps?


16 posted on 10/16/2009 9:33:13 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Deficit spending, trade deficits, unsecure mortages, worthless paper... ... not a problem. Oh yeah?)
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To: DoughtyOne
100% of the teachers accept the materials given, the programs implemented, the propaganda presented, and do nothing about it.

Again, wrapping yourself in the certainty of your generalizations. An error I have been pretty successful in teaching good students not to do.

And for some reason, the abuse leveled on those kids is okay with you. It is reasonable to you that those kids get shafted.

Again, ascribing statements and motives to me which have no basis in anything I have said. An error which I have been pretty successful in teaching students not to do.

Do you object loudly in public? Why no, you allow it to continue. It may not be continuing in your room, put you satisfy yourself that it really doesn’t matter, if it happens in a lot of other rooms.

Why yes, as a matter of fact, I have complained loudly. As a teacher in the classroom, and as a citizen to the school board. I found that whle excoriating teachers might win you a little, "I sure gave them a piece of my mind," satisfaction, it's the actions taken at a political level that have success. Because ultimately, it is a political decision. I suggested to you the course of action which has the best success. But it takes a lot more effort than posting a diatribe and a link, so it just won't get done.

Good grief, where do you folks get your moral thinking caps?

From the same book which I manage to introduce into my classroom, for purely academic purposes, of course.

I apologize, I should have noticed the signs in some of your earlier comments. Teachers and administrators with "holier than thou" attitudes. The "here comes a live one" comment. I understand your rage better, in review.

You have spent years raising a wonderful child (sure, some of the relatives outside the immediate family don't care much for the child, but you don't care for them, either) who deserves everything you've given him or her. The child is a free spirit, very creative, and does many wonderful things. But those darned teachers. It seems that every one of them is incompetent, or has it in for your child specifically. And of course, the child has perfectly reasonable complaints about the succession of teachers who have targeted him (or her) for unfair treatment, beyond what any other student receives.

There are so many bad teachers, that from year to year, or pressuring the school to switch the child from one teacher to another doesn't matter, you still get nothing but bad teachers, because they are ALL bad. And that darned school. How unfair! Your child has to suffer the indignities of school discipline because the administration is just as bad, and takes the words of all those bad teachers who have it in for your wonderful child. Early on, you accepted the word of the teacher, but your child has learned that "No" the first time the child asks means "No," but after the fiftieth time, "No" becomes, "Oh go ahead." Because it just isn't right to punish the child for the teacher's shortcomings. And Of course the student won't do his or her work -- who would, for such bad teachers?

So even after years of putting up with such poor excuses for professionals, and maybe even finding that ADHD, or ADD, or ODD, or some other alphabet soup of learning affliction (which requires some moderate drugging, and has absolutely nothing with how the child was raised) you take action. At this point, you might have actually tried the home schooling route. But all it did was pull you away from work you could not afford to miss, and you couldn't be home to do the work, and besides, it isn't your job to make up for those terrible teachers.

So private school becomes the final solution. A school which is profit-motivated, and its high cost supports a comfortable 12:1 or 15:1 student:teacher ratio. You've finally found the "good" teachers, who accept your wonderful child just the way he or she is, and have learned (through careful guidance by the school's directors) never to suggest to a paying parent that his or her raising of a child might have some bearing on what the child is. Because if the parent pulls the child, the school doesn't get paid. It might have even taken a couple of moves to find the "good" school.

Wake up, DOh -- schools are generally what society has made them, because political decisions are what drive the school. If you want to get something done, it will have to be accomlished on either the political level (which you're not going to do), or on the personal level (which is beyond you also). My school is routinely #1 in its district, which is rarely lower than #3 in its state. In international competitions, we have had students that ranked within the top 20 of 5,000 competitors at their level. And that is because there are some of us who have not accepted the problem, but have learned that solving it by getting in there and bailing out the boat will get more done than expecting the public to do anything more than whine about the failure of the pumps. Your syllogism that no good teacher would tolerate the situation, and not tolerating the situation would demand an exodus, therefore any teacher who is in the classroom is a bad teacher (or immoral, or whatever other insults you have hurled to bolster your self-image) is foolish.

As I said -- W-a-a-a-a-y off thread topic now, and pointless to carry this further. You are wrapped in the security of your generalizations, shielded by your ignorance (as I've said in class, ignorance is nothing to be ashamed of, if you are honestly trying to fix it, but willful ignorance is self-destructive) and I've got too many papers to grade. Ciao.

17 posted on 10/17/2009 2:06:44 AM PDT by Quiller (When you're fighting to survive, there is no "try" -- there is only do, or do not.)
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