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Public Opinion in Mexico on U.S. Immigration: Zogby Poll Examines Attitudes
Center for Immigration Studies ^ | Oct. 14, 2009 | CIS

Posted on 10/14/2009 9:18:51 AM PDT by AuntB

A new survey by Zogby International finds that people in Mexico think that granting legal status to illegal immigrants in the United States would encourage more illegal immigration to the United States. As the top immigrant-sending country for both legal and illegal immigrants, views on immigration in Mexico can provide insight into the likely impact of an amnesty, as well as other questions related to immigration.

Among the findings:

* A clear majority of people in Mexico, 56 percent, thought giving legal status to illegal immigrants in the United States would make it more likely that people they know would go to the United States illegally. Just 17 percent thought it would make Mexicans less likely to go illegally. The rest were unsure or thought it would make no difference.

* Of Mexicans with a member of their immediate household in the United States, 65 percent said a legalization program would make people they know more likely to go to America illegally.

* Two-thirds of Mexicans know someone living in the United States; one-third said an immediate member of their household was living in the United States.

* Interest in going to the United States remains strong even in the current recession, with 36 percent of Mexicans (39 million people) saying they would move to the United States if they could. At present, 12 to 13 million Mexico-born people live in the United States.

* A new Pew Research Center poll also found that about one-third of Mexicans would go to the United States if they could.

* An overwhelming majority (69 percent) of people in Mexico thought that the primary loyalty of Mexican-Americans (Mexico- and U.S.-born) should be to Mexico. Just 20 percent said it should be to the United States. The rest were unsure.

* Also, 69 percent of people in Mexico felt that the Mexican government should represent the interests of Mexican-Americans (Mexico- and U.S.-born) in the United States.

* A plurality, 39 percent, of Mexicans thought that in the last year fewer people they know had gone to the United States as illegal immigrants compared to previous years. Only 27 percent thought more had gone. The rest thought it had stayed the same or were unsure.

* A plurality, 40 percent, also thought that in the last year more of the illegal immigrants they know had returned to Mexico compared to previous years. Only 25 percent thought the number returning had fallen. The rest thought it had stayed the same or were unsure.

* Both the bad economy and increased immigration enforcement were cited as reasons fewer people were going to America as illegal immigrants and more were coming back to Mexico.

Introduction

As the nation debates the issue of immigration, the perspective of people in Mexico is important because Mexico is the top sending country for both legal and illegal immigrants. In 2008, one of six new legal immigrants was from Mexico and, according to the Department of Homeland Security, six out of 10 illegal immigrants come from that country.1 Asking people in Mexico their views on immigration can provide insight into the likely impact of an amnesty for illegal immigrants and other questions related to immigration.[snip]


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Mexico
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; asap; cir; cis; gop; illegalaliens; immigrantlist; immigration; immigrationpoll; importingsocialism; invasion; mexicans; mexico; poll; welcome3rdworld; zogby
* An overwhelming majority (69 percent) of people in Mexico thought that the primary loyalty of Mexican-Americans (Mexico- and U.S.-born) should be to Mexico. Just 20 percent said it should be to the United States.

Oh, yeah! We need more of that!

1 posted on 10/14/2009 9:18:52 AM PDT by AuntB
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To: AuntB
A new survey by Zogby International finds that people in Mexico think that granting legal status to illegal immigrants in the United States would encourage more illegal immigration to the United States.

Would encourage? Amnesty has been encouraging illegals to come to American since the 1987 amnesty. Another one would just put the encouragement on steroids.

2 posted on 10/14/2009 9:26:47 AM PDT by Will88
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To: AuntB

That is the problem with having a flood of people from the country next door and not from overseas.

They used to have to be cleared in NY after crossing in ships and it was tough to get back at all. That IMO made them loyal to their new country over the old one.

The exact opposite is true of Mexicans and why they still consider Mexico #1, though it is one big #2 IMO.


3 posted on 10/14/2009 9:28:07 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: AuntB

This poll shows why we should never give the illegals amnesty.


4 posted on 10/14/2009 9:28:22 AM PDT by Uncle Hal
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To: AuntB

We already have 12 to 20 million here out of a population of about 100 million.

This is destroying two countries, Mexico and the United States.

Our policy should be to help Mexico develop its own people and resources.


5 posted on 10/14/2009 9:36:39 AM PDT by amihow
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To: Will88

Captain Obvious, please contact your local rat politician. The rats are still pushing the ridiculous idea that this amnesty will be the last one with no more illegal immigration problems.


6 posted on 10/14/2009 9:47:31 AM PDT by businessprofessor
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To: AuntB
8,000 of these automated sentry guns placed 0.5 miles apart along the US/Mexico border = Problem Solved:

I am so sick of this pussy footing around while Americans are being robbed, murdered, run over, fleeced, and bankrupted by these parasites.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

7 posted on 10/14/2009 9:49:37 AM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: AuntB

Some years back a US team played Mexico in SAN DIEGO, and the Mexican fans —in the US— were chanting, OSAMA.

They also threw plastic jugs of PISS on the US players when they left the field.


8 posted on 10/14/2009 9:49:58 AM PDT by gaijin
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To: AuntB

So... When is the GOP going to run with an anti-amnesty, anti-tax, pro borders, pro business candidate? The polls indicate that’s what we want, so why won’t they give it to us!?


9 posted on 10/14/2009 9:50:44 AM PDT by TypeZoNegative (Pro life & Vegan because I respect all life, Republican because our enemies don't respect ours.)
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To: The Comedian
New Armed Robot

Manueverable, fast weapon panning

10 posted on 10/14/2009 9:52:08 AM PDT by gaijin
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To: A CA Guy
They used to have to be cleared in NY after crossing in ships and it was tough to get back at all. That IMO made them loyal to their new country over the old one.

George Will nicely phrased it - the immigrants were "pyschologically guillotined". After they arrived they could get by with native language newspapers and enclaves but by the third and fourth, if not the second generation, their families had integrated and become Americans. I knew many an immigrant family, even as late as the '40s (yeah, I'm THAT old) where gramps spoke only the old country language, his kids were bi-lingual, and their kids spoke only English. As per the poll, these newbies don't want to become Americans, just live like them.

There was also an deep appreciation of the opportunites here compared with the Old Country. I worked with a Russian Jew who, one day, showed me his property tax bill. I thought he was bitching about the amount (this was California) and I agreed that it was high. he said, "What are you talking about? In my country I couldn't even OWN property. Now I am a Land Owner!"

11 posted on 10/14/2009 9:53:33 AM PDT by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: amihow

“Our policy should be to help Mexico develop its own people and resources.”

Agreed. But how do we do that? We send them millions of tax dollars every year...this year 1.4 BILLION...which goes right in the drug cartel pockets as mexico only encourages their poor and criminal to migrate here.


12 posted on 10/14/2009 9:53:57 AM PDT by AuntB (If the TALIBAN grew drugs & burned our land instead of armed Mexican Cartels would anyone notice?)
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To: Oatka

Well here in CA about 5% of Mexican boys even graduate high school. Lord knows how many tens of thousands a year their families cost the state in support, food, baby sitting services, housing, medical and education.


13 posted on 10/14/2009 9:56:23 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: AuntB
Additional proof that even Mexican peasants are more astute than 95% of the theiving, lying, crooked, bast...s politicians in Washington.
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14 posted on 10/14/2009 10:00:22 AM PDT by Iron Munro (When seconds count, the police are only minutes away)
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To: TypeZoNegative

“So... When is the GOP going to run with an anti-amnesty, anti-tax, pro borders, pro business candidate? The polls indicate that’s what we want, so why won’t they give it to us!?”

When hell freezes over I guess. I’d be happy if they’d just follow the GOP platform and if squisy moderates like McCain and Graham would just admit they are NOT republicans and don’t support the platform.

“We oppose amnesty. The rule of law suffers if
government policies encourage or reward illegal activity. The American people’s rejection of en masse
legalizations is especially appropriate given the fed-
eral government’s past failures to enforce the law.....One sign of our unity is our English language.
For newcomers, it has always been the fastest route
to prosperity in America. English empowers. We
support English as the official language in our nation [snip]

http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:mFvxUC86eX8J:platform.gop.com/2008Platform.pdf+republican+party+platform&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a


15 posted on 10/14/2009 10:08:26 AM PDT by AuntB (If the TALIBAN grew drugs & burned our land instead of armed Mexican Cartels would anyone notice?)
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To: amihow
Our policy should be to help Mexico develop its own people and resources.

That's exactly what George W. Bush did when he signed the Partnership for Prosperity Agreement (with Mexico) in 2001.

As a result, we're sending billions of US taxpayer dollars south of the border.

Guess what?

The Mexicans still don't want to live in Mexico. They'd rather come here so they can take advantage of the social infrastructure here in the USA.

Got any other bright ideas?

16 posted on 10/14/2009 10:10:16 AM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Governement should be afraid of the people)
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To: gaijin; B4Ranch; All
You'll just love this:

"As Governor of Arizona Janet Napolitano was always a good friend to illegal aliens trying to sneak into our country. She gave them free college educations and free daycare for their children as any welcoming host would.

As Homeland Security Secretary Napolitano avoids even saying the words “terror” or vulnerability” proving she has no business heading HLS. Now Secretary Napolitano has passed a new threshold of linguistic gymnastics.

According to her latest announcement the burglars who sneak into our country with their hands out who were once correctly called “illegal aliens” then “illegal immigrants” and more recently “undocumented immigrants” must now be called “newly-arrived asylum seekers.”"[snip]

http://www.collinsreport.net/2009/10/13/is-this-woman-insane-napolitano-wants-illegal-aliens-called-%e2%80%9c%e2%80%9cnewly-arrived-asylum-seekers%e2%80%9d/

IF the plan is to actually reclassify aliens as 'refugees', this will be amnesty by stealth...refugees are often given legal status by the State Dept and never counted as legal entrants. This is a GIANT shell game.

17 posted on 10/14/2009 10:12:56 AM PDT by AuntB (If the TALIBAN grew drugs & burned our land instead of armed Mexican Cartels would anyone notice?)
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To: SwinneySwitch; rabscuttle385; JerryP; gubamyster; bcsco; All

El Pingo!

* An overwhelming majority (69 percent) of people in Mexico thought that the primary loyalty of Mexican-Americans (Mexico- and U.S.-born) should be to Mexico. Just 20 percent said it should be to the United States.

Oh, yeah! We need more of that!


18 posted on 10/14/2009 10:22:39 AM PDT by AuntB (If the TALIBAN grew drugs & burned our land instead of armed Mexican Cartels would anyone notice?)
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To: The Comedian
"They must be wall to wall in there. Look at those ammo counters go. It's a shooting gallery down there."


19 posted on 10/14/2009 10:31:43 AM PDT by OpeEdMunkey (Eat right...exercise...die anyway.)
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To: OpeEdMunkey
"They must be wall to wall in there. Look at those ammo counters go. It's a shooting gallery down there."

Having to resort to these projectile weapons is our fault for not immediately nuking the site from orbit which is, as you are well aware, the only way to be sure.

They mostly come at night. Mostly.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

20 posted on 10/14/2009 10:57:58 AM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: Oatka

If we had something besides a dysfunctional immigration system we could figure out how to get that 20% instead of the 69% Mexico is sending, btw...the ones Mexico WANTs out of their country....

[snip]* An overwhelming majority (69 percent) of people in Mexico thought that the primary loyalty of Mexican-Americans (Mexico- and U.S.-born) should be to Mexico. Just 20 percent said it should be to the United States.


21 posted on 10/14/2009 11:01:11 AM PDT by AuntB (If the TALIBAN grew drugs & burned our land instead of armed Mexican Cartels would anyone notice?)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

I guess I should have said help Mexico without hurting us. It is to our advantage to keep people in their own country except for special circumstances.

Sending our jobs south was stupid. We cannot repeat that mistake. We did not help Mexico to develop its own resources and peoples. Had we done so, we could be more equal trading partners with them.


22 posted on 10/14/2009 12:57:18 PM PDT by amihow
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To: AuntB; GOPsterinMA; woerm; bert; altura; bunster; waterhill; FlyingEagle; Playa Pete; ...

Ping!

If you want on, or off this S. Texas/Mexico ping list, please FReepMail me.


23 posted on 10/14/2009 1:33:57 PM PDT by SwinneySwitch (Mexico - beyond your expectations!)
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To: AuntB

“people in Mexico think that granting legal status to illegal immigrants in the United States would encourage more illegal immigration to the United States.”

ME TOO!! Annex Mexico instead.


24 posted on 10/14/2009 1:37:49 PM PDT by wolfcreek (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsd7DGqVSIc)
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To: amihow
Sending our jobs south was stupid. We cannot repeat that mistake. We did not help Mexico to develop its own resources and peoples. Had we done so, we could be more equal trading partners with them.

We didn't just send our jobs to Mexico.

We also sent them billions of our US taxpayer dollars, supposedly to help Mexico develop it's own resources and peoples, just like you suggest.

See: Partnership for Prosperity - US Embassy Mexico City

See: Sociedad para la Prosperidad (Prosperity for the Society)

Guess what? It didn't make any difference. Mexicans still came here illegally. The real purpose behind the P4P and New Alliance Task Force (NATF) was to attract Mexican illegal aliens to the USA and into the US banking system. The money we sent south of the border went straight into the pockets of the Mexican ruling elite.

The P4P and NATF led directly to the sub-prime lending debacle which led directly to the deepest recession this country has seen since the Great Depression.

This occurred because not only did we give these illegal aliens easy access to the US banking system, including home loans, but we also gave them (courtesy of George W. Bush and the US taxpayer) money for the down payment.

So, when the economy took a nose-dive, they all left for Mexico because they had no investments to make them want to stay put.

See: Linking International Remittance Flows to Financial Services: Tapping the Latino Immigrant Market

25 posted on 10/14/2009 2:29:54 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Governement should be afraid of the people)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

BTT!


26 posted on 10/14/2009 2:32:55 PM PDT by AuntB (If the TALIBAN grew drugs & burned our land instead of armed Mexican Cartels would anyone notice?)
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To: All

A message from Mike Cutler about this article:

Hi Gang:

As you probably know, the administration and members of Congress in both houses are making it abundantly clear that no matter how many times a great majority of the citizens of the United States have made it crystal clear that they want our nation’s border secured and that they do not want illegal aliens to be given amnesty under the aegis of a program such as that which is called for under the terms of “Comprehensive Immigration Reform,” that they will press on with this program.

I am also quite certain that you know how adamantly I have been opposed to any such massive amnesty program for a number of reasons, beginning with my concerns about national security- to put it succinctly, there is no way that the beleaguered agency that would have to administer this ill-conceived program, USCIS (United States Citizenship and Immigration Services) could handle the massive workload that would be created.

In fact, a string of reports issued by the investigative arm of Congress, the General Accountability Office (GAO) and by the OIG, the Office of the Inspector General, the government agency that is charged with investigating allegation of nonfeasance, misfeasance and malfeasance have made it absolutely clear that USCIS demonstrates incompetence, ineptitude and, on occasion out-right corruption in its day to day work today. How in blazes could this agency run a program in which they would have to most likely process an minimum of an additional 100,000 applications each and every day, filed by illegal aliens who are euphemistically referred to “undocumented,” providing this illegal aliens with lawful status in our country and hence with official identity documents even though there is no way of readily determining the true identities of these millions of illegal aliens?

If an illegal alien who ran our nation’s border provides a false name, it is a virtual certainty that this background check would not pose a problem for the criminal or terrorist seeking lawful status in our country as an embedding tactic. This is precisely how most of the terrorists have been found to operate- they seek to gain lawful status to eliminate the potential threat that they might be discovered. They also want that lawful status to gain employment and a driver’s license. Remember, as I have often noted, including when I have testified before Congress, a day or two before a terrorist participates in a terrorist attack he (she) is likely to hide in plain sight by going to his (her) job!

Now we have the Zogby Poll as reported on by Steve Camarota, the Director of Research at the Center for Immigration Studies, making it clear that citizens of Mexico would be encouraged to seek to violate our nation’s borders to enter the United States to seek unlawful employment. As you may know, I have been affiliated with the Center for Immigration Studies for about 7 years.

Here is something for you to consider. If an alien runs our borders he leaves no record as to when, where or how he entered the United States. This means that aliens could easily enter our country long after any cutoff date that a Comprehensive Immigration Reform program might establish and fraudulently claim to have been in the United States for the requisite period of time.

Again, remember that there is no way of knowing the true identity of these millions of illegal aliens.

If you doubt this- look at the Zogby Poll results. Millions of citizens of Mexico and many other countries would, no doubt swarm our borders seeking to fraudulently claim to have resided in the United States for the requisite period of time. The bureaucratic system would implode, crushed by the weight of the paper!

Those of you who are familiar with my commentaries know how much I love to use analogies, so here is something I hope helps you to visualize precisely what I am describing:

All of us are familiar with how people will attempt to cram themselves into a completely full elevator car even though another car with quickly open its doors a few feet away. In the worst case, the car into which these human sardines are attempting to wedge themselves will also return in just a few minutes, yet you could easily imagine that the elevator car they are so eager to enter will be the last one to ever show up!

If too many people do get into that elevator it may get stuck or, worse, it might plummet to the basement!

For the would-be illegal aliens the pressure to get across the U.S. border would be truly intense. These aliens know that they must make it across the border in order to file for amnesty. If they make it, they would then be allowed to bring their families to the United States legally! Not unlike that overcrowded elevator, the immigration systems would be so overwhelmed that any semblance of integrity would simply evaporate. In a manner of speaking, the entire system, I fear, would crash and burn!

Imagine the chaos on the border! I cannot imagine what the conditions would be like for our Border Patrol Agents!

Meanwhile consider these bullet points:

“An overwhelming majority (69 percent) of people in Mexico thought that the primary loyalty of Mexican-Americans (Mexico- and U.S.-born) should be to Mexico. Just 20 percent said it should be to the United States. The rest were unsure. “

“Also, 69 percent of people in Mexico felt that the Mexican government should represent the interests of Mexican-Americans (Mexico- and U.S.-born) in the United States.”

Think of the implications that this has for our nation!

If that statement is accurate, I am concerned that we could easily wind up with millions of voters who would vote for candidates that were viewed as being important to Mexico’s objectives rather than the objectives of the United States!


27 posted on 10/15/2009 11:34:52 AM PDT by AuntB (If the TALIBAN grew drugs & burned our land instead of armed Mexican Cartels would anyone notice?)
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