Sorry, Irish Eyes, Ronald Reagan proved you're absolutely wrong. (and the one state that narrowly voted for Mondale in '84, later defeated him in 2002 and elected a conservative instead)
Posted on 10/16/2009 10:50:33 AM PDT by rabscuttle385
Sure. You can draw a line right down the middle of the state lengthwise, or slightly west of center, and almost everybody on the east side of the line is conservative. population-wise, CA has more conservatives than any other state. But we have no say. I guess it’s no wonder that the water cut-off to farms only affected the eastern half of the state.
At any rate, I was talking about the GOP party apparatus, not the voters. The state party doesn’t support conservatives and really don’t do much of anything.
RINOs ARE leftists! They will vote for all of Obama's schemes. So what's the difference?
The GOP's promotion of RINO's who will split the votes is what is pointless. All they need to do is promote candidates that Republicans want to vote for. "Vote for us because we may not be quite as bad" is not much of a campaign slogan and it is getting really old.
Nobody has ever claimed that NY’s Conservative Party is a paragon of virtue or principled conservative ideology, and thankfully it need not be a perfect party for us to be able to support its nominee over an ultraliberal masquerading as a Republican. If Mr. Long says that his policy is never to endorse candidates endorsed by the ACORN acolytes at the Working Families Party, I’ll take it at face value, but I’m pretty sure that the Conservative Party endorsed pro-life Democrat Congressman Michael McNulty (in a heavily Democrat district) even while he was getting the endorsement of the WFP.
Why did they do that?
Anyway it's not like the NYGOP has been great either, obviously.
“The enemies were the local county chairs who gave this RINO the nomination probably based on her husbands contracting ties.”
Then, why don’t you or someone who is in that district write an op-ed exposing the RINO county chairs and their traitorous
actions and get them booted out and replaced by conservatives?
And STILL they don't understand why I refuse to send them any more of my money!
“Having another RINO Republican in Congress who will consistently support 0bama’s agenda does not advance the conservative case. In fact, it will harm it, as the DemomRats can claim to have “bipartisan” support as the RINO votes with them. “
BUMP
McCain is not happy just being a RINO traitor. Oh no, he feels he must recruit other RINO traitors. He a cancer to the conservative cause.
Noboby ever said the NYSGOP was anything other than it is (a "centrist" party), but at least they don't call themselves "Conservative" while endorsing liberal Dems and RINOs (see Pataki) in order to get patronage jobs.
Being from MD, Steele has no understanding of the Republican Party. The party has been moribund there since well before Spiro T. Agnew. Many on this forum were strong Steele supporters, and that was just nine months ago!
Nancy Reagan endorsed him, but I don’t think Michael was all that impressed.
John Arrington (R) - Ex-Harvey City Alderman, Community Resource Center Founder & ‘04 US Rep. Candidate
Patrick Hughes (R) - Attorney & Anti-Tax Activist
Tom Kuna (R) - Businessman, Ex-Teacher & Pro-Life Activist
Dan Lowery (R) - Retired Circuit Judge, Ex-Massac County State's Attorney & Vietnam War Veteran
Robert Zadek (R) - Businessman, Real Estate Broker, Ex-Mortgage Broker, Ex-Corporate Auditor & USCG Veteran
Eric Wallace (R) - Apostolic Minister, Businessman & GOP Activist
There's also these two candidates, who are to the right of Kirk but fairly moderate. Andy Martin has a reputation being lawsuit crazy and a conspircy theorist, few people take him seriously. Varga is liberal on a couple of issues like gay unions and enviromental stuff but otherwise conservative. He's unlikely to get more than 1% or 2%. Don't know enough about Ms. Thomas.
Ed Varga (R) - McHenry County Board of Health Member & Professional Engineer
Andy Martin (R) - Frequent Candidate
Kathleen Thomas (R) - Ex-New Berlin School Board Member & College Professor
Zadek, Kuna, Thomas, and Varga have no shot at winning and will accomplish little aside from further splitting the anti-Kirk vote. IMO they should drop out of the race. Arrington, Hughes, and Lowery have potential and would be good recruits for another race, but IMO this is not the place or time.
The best of the bunch, IMO, is Dr. Eric Wallace, who has been active in GOP politics for over two decades and has a great life story as a successful entrepreneur in the private sector and a conservative black minister. He holds both a Ph.D. and an M.A. He has held appointed government positions and is a former candidate for state Senate. His multimedia company that provides media for black Christian churches is well known in black communities on the south side. He has been endorsed by prominent national conservatives like Ken Blackwell and Herman Cain. He's running on a platform called the LIFT standard, based on the principles of Conservatism drafted by former Senator Fred Thompson, and Dennis LaComb executive director of the United Republican Fund of Illinois.
His website is http://www.wallaceforillinois.com if you want to check it out.
I wish we could have a “conservative primary” in December via a statewide straw poll of the six conservatives, which the other candidates agreeing to drop out and throw their support to whoever wins so we conservatives can be united to stop Kirk. I'm confident that Dr. Wallace could win such a straw poll.
I agree that Eric Wallace is our best bet to defeat the RINO Kirk in the primary, and would make an outstanding U.S. Senator. I just donated to Dr. Wallace’s campaign, and hope that other FReepers join me.
That is not true.
And 'Irish Eyes' will you stop with the "no strict conservative" can win crap. I'm not saying only a Jesse Jesse Helms conservative is acceptable, I'm just asking for someone conservative enough to actually belong in the Republican Party. A Republican should be conservative at least the majoirty of the time (like Norm Coleman or Al D'mato). Kirk doesn't fit that bill, he'll be another Specter/Snowe. He's closer to being a democrat than a conservative and that's not acceptable. His use if elected will be limited. He'll organize with the GOP (unless he decides to switch, there is a constant risk of that) but he'll be a thorn in our side like Snowe.
If it comes down to his center-left hide versus a more liberal democrat in the "general" election I'll probably vote for him but I'll be voting for the lesser of 2 democrats.
Conservatives in Illinois are right to contest and protest his nomination.
Sure we need to purge RINOs in states that voted for Palin. But RINOs in other states have been the key factor in handing this country over to the Dems. Who broke the deadlock to hand the Senate to Daschle? Jeffords of Rhode Island. Who jumped ship so the Dems have a 60 seat veto proof majority now? Specter of Pennsylvania. They should have been purged in the primary. Assuming the worst case scenario that "official" Democrat had beaten the "unelectable" conservative in those states, what difference would it have made? Specter and Jeffords became official Democrats anyway. We might as well try electing a conservative there than just be content with a socialist R vs. socialist D race.
And like Impy I'm not expecting us to suddenly elect Jesse Helms clones in Massachusetts. But I do expect anyone who calls themselves a "Republican" (regardless of what state they're running in) will support the Republican platform at least 51% of the time. Snowe, Specter, Kirk, Scozzafava and others don't. Just because a state votes Dem the majority of time doesn't mean a conservative "will never win" there. Rhode Island is about 2/3rds Democrat and they have a pro-life, pro-gun, less taxes, limited government Governor. Again, note the Dems have a veto proof majority in the Senate because the Senators they elected in Palin states (Montana, North Dakota, West Virginia, etc.) aren't DINOs who support the GOP most of the time.
Speaking of Rhode Island, you may recall that the last primary featured Linc Chafee, who was 15-25% conservative, being challenged by Steve Laffey, who is 65%-75% conservative. Another example where a "Norm Coleman type" Republican in a Dem state is far superior to a "Jim Jeffords type" Republican. Laffey wasn't the perfect choice but as mayor of the big Dem city of Cranston he did prove that's possible for non-marxists to "win" in Rhode Island. Some Chafee supporters would talk out of both sides of their mouth, saying no conservative will win in RI and at the same time bashing Laffey for not being conservative enough. I wonder who Rabschuttle would have endorsed in that race, if anyone. Rabs would category both candidates as RINO scum. I'm pretty sure Laffey would have been an improvement in both the short and long term.
Finally, there's the old argument that since their state/region went to Obama, the voters demand a far-left liberal and will elect no one else. This is also a false premise. Obama's election was unprecedented, and won areas of the country no Dem has since LBJ. Even Carter, who was the last time to get a majority in the south, failed to win some parts of the south that Obama carried. The district Scozzafava is running voted for Obama in '08. However, it also voted for Bush twice, voted for conservative GOP congressman multiple times, and went Republican for statewide offices. It is a slightly right of center district, not far left on social issues and pro-Dem the majority of the time like Scozzafava. Kirk supporters will point out that Kirk's district gave 61% of its vote to Obama. What they won't bring up is that the district has about an equal number of Republican and Dem officials (with GOP having a slightly higher number of county board officials in that district), and that a number of conservatives who ran in that district in the last 10 years carried it even if they lost the rest of the state, or that Bush came close to beating Kerry in Kirk's district with 47% of the vote. Kirk's district is one of the wealthiest, most-corporate friendly districts in the nation. And there's also a centrist Dem state senator who represents a large portion of Kirk's district, Jeffrey Schoenberg, except Schoenberg had a much larger amount of Dem constituents since represents the Dem towns of Evanston and Skokie that are outside Kirk's district. Schoenberg voted conservative 50% of the time last year. Kirk voted conservative 44% of the time.
Since Illinois as a whole gave 61% of its votes to Obama, you can find many "suburban committees" with the same percentage of Obama voters, but with much more conservative officials representing them. My own region in southwest Cook County is a fine example of that. Not only are all the local Republican officials to the right of Kirk, but so are most of the Democrats. Obama won about 60% of the vote in my area.
Like the Scozzafava's region, we have socialist RINOs acting like they're running in Schakowsky's Evanston or Jerrold Nadler's Manhattan when they're not.
Sorry Babe but, in some districts or states, that is absolutely correct.
I'm not saying only a Jesse Jesse Helms conservative is acceptable, I'm just asking for someone conservative enough to actually belong in the Republican Party. A Republican should be conservative at least the majoirty of the time (like Norm Coleman or Al D'mato). Kirk doesn't fit that bill, he'll be another Specter/Snowe. He's closer to being a democrat than a conservative and that's not acceptable. His use if elected will be limited. He'll organize with the GOP (unless he decides to switch, there is a constant risk of that) but he'll be a thorn in our side like Snowe.
If it comes down to his center-left hide versus a more liberal democrat in the "general" election I'll probably vote for him but I'll be voting for the lesser of 2 democrats.
Conservatives in Illinois are right to contest and protest his nomination.
Do I need to post it a third time in extra large type before you get the picture instead of picking out a single line out of context to criticize? That line was to preface the rest of my post wherein my excellent point you have no response to was made.
OK , you are talking specifics and I am talking generalities.
Do I need to post it a third time in extra large type before you get the picture instead of picking out a single line out of context to criticize? That line was to preface the rest of my post wherein my excellent point you have no response to was made.
NO
By the way
"If it doesn't matter who wins or loses, then why do they keep score?" - Vince Lombardi
Great quote.
Sorry, Irish Eyes, Ronald Reagan proved you're absolutely wrong. (and the one state that narrowly voted for Mondale in '84, later defeated him in 2002 and elected a conservative instead)
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