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California appears poised to be first to ban power-guzzling big-screen TVs
LA Times BUSINESS ^ | Oct. 14,2009 | Marc Lifsher

Posted on 10/16/2009 12:32:57 PM PDT by Marty62

Reporting from Sacramento - The influential lobby group Consumer Electronics Assn. is fighting what appears to be a losing battle to dissuade California regulators from passing the nation's first ban on energy-hungry big-screen televisions.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: electricity; electronics; energy; geenpolicies; greenieweenies; nannystate; tvban
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1 posted on 10/16/2009 12:32:58 PM PDT by Marty62
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To: Marty62

State of California: “Where’s my nanny!!”


2 posted on 10/16/2009 12:34:31 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: Marty62

I can see it now, bootlegging big screens from outside Cali for major profits.


3 posted on 10/16/2009 12:34:49 PM PDT by DownInFlames
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To: Marty62

When was it we became a country of can’t rather than a country that can or will develop the resources so it can.


4 posted on 10/16/2009 12:36:00 PM PDT by DonaldC (A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
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To: DownInFlames

People will simply shop for this stuff outside of California. Nevada and Oregon should see a boost.


5 posted on 10/16/2009 12:37:09 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (ACORN: Absolute Criminal Organization of Reprobate Nuisances)
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To: Marty62
Whoa! What will the Hollywood crowd do?
6 posted on 10/16/2009 12:37:43 PM PDT by tsmith130
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To: Marty62

Just another example of government indecision. Didn’t we all have to buy HD TV’s last year? So now they are banned?
Unbelievable ....


7 posted on 10/16/2009 12:37:54 PM PDT by marstegreg
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To: DownInFlames
"I can see it now, bootlegging big screens from outside Cali for major profits."

Primm, NV could become the flat-screen capitol of the world.

8 posted on 10/16/2009 12:38:30 PM PDT by OldDeckHand (No Socialized Medicine, No Way, No How, No Time)
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To: Marty62

Yeah, because we all know that the plasma TV and their ~600 Watt power demand are the source for all of California’s power outtage problems - it can’t be the hot tubs, the in ground pools, the AC units, the number of lights used for decorative rather than illumination, the fountains running 24/7, or any other unnecessary luxury.

But, when the common man can afford something that only the ‘classes’ should be able to enjoy - well, then something has to be done about that.


9 posted on 10/16/2009 12:40:04 PM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: DownInFlames

Wow all those Rich Lefties are going to be forced to walk the walk. No more BS commercials etc. Next CA will ban Stretch Limo’s. The HORROR...the HORROR!


10 posted on 10/16/2009 12:40:32 PM PDT by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: Marty62; stephenjohnbanker; DownInFlames

This is the biggest joke yet perpetrated by the freedom-destroying environazis. Here’s a table of the so called power guzzling TVs. It basically amounts to the equivalent of one to two light bulbs - less than 10cents a day!!!!

http://reviews.cnet.com/green-tech/tv-consumption-chart/


11 posted on 10/16/2009 12:41:30 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: OldDeckHand

I think it would be a capital. A capitol is the government building in the capital. Or it might be “shop at the flat screen capitol in the world flat screen capital.”


12 posted on 10/16/2009 12:41:35 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (ACORN: Absolute Criminal Organization of Reprobate Nuisances)
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To: Marty62

“Representatives of some TV makers, including top-seller Vizio Inc. of Irvine, said they would have little trouble complying with tighter state standards without substantially increasing prices.”

This particular legislation looks like a non-event to me, because improving technology will make it fairly easy for manufacturers to meet these regulations. But the new regulations are unnecessary because consumers will inevitably buy the TVs that use less power anyway. So these regulations are a typical liberal response to a nonexistent problem. These proposed regulations would just add more legal compliance costs to manufacturers, which lowers their return on investment and their incentive to expand and hire more employees.


13 posted on 10/16/2009 12:41:38 PM PDT by your local physicist (Gridlock is good...in Washington.)
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To: aquila48

And in the winter, the heat will be a boon not a bane.


14 posted on 10/16/2009 12:42:11 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (ACORN: Absolute Criminal Organization of Reprobate Nuisances)
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To: Marty62
Does anybody else get a weird feeling when you walk close by a wall of them in a store?

Target in particular I get it, perhaps because it's relatively quite there so perhaps you become more sensitive to it.

It's heat, yes,sort of, but something more seems to going on as well, can't put my finger on it, but I've always wondered.

15 posted on 10/16/2009 12:42:44 PM PDT by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: marstegreg

I’m waiting for the Hollyweird lefties to start screaming when the TV Police start breaking down the doors to their ESTATES to confiscate those ILLEGAL Boob tubes.


16 posted on 10/16/2009 12:43:05 PM PDT by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: Marty62

The majority of people in CA who keep voting for morons like this fully deserve to lose their TVs.


17 posted on 10/16/2009 12:43:19 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: OldDeckHand
Primm, NV could become the flat-screen capitol of the world.

Kind of like what happens in NH when Mass. raises the cigarette taxes. Traffic jams on Rt’s 3, 93, 28 and 95.

18 posted on 10/16/2009 12:44:06 PM PDT by MAexile (Bats left, votes right)
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To: norraad

Ok now...dial back the meds a little..LOL


19 posted on 10/16/2009 12:44:23 PM PDT by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: your local physicist
consumers will inevitably buy the TVs that use less power anyway

Not too many folks look at the boiler plate on a TV when choosing it. They just want one that shows a good picture and at a reasonable price. If the industry goes like the car makers and there are California and Federal models, people will choose the Federal ones for the brighter picture and California will be isolated in its suffering.

20 posted on 10/16/2009 12:44:36 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (ACORN: Absolute Criminal Organization of Reprobate Nuisances)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I’m always heartened to learn the spelling police are on their game.


21 posted on 10/16/2009 12:44:40 PM PDT by OldDeckHand (No Socialized Medicine, No Way, No How, No Time)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

We should get about 1 million adults to go to Sacramento, dawn diapers, suck our thumbs, and stand out side the capital building demanding the state take over every aspect of our lives, in sarcasm.

The irony of it would be lost on many, but the visual would be something the media couldn’t help but cover, and the message would be so clear as to make the leftists absolutely furious.

White baby bonnets
White diapers
Bare Feet
Sucking thumbs
Big lollipops with different government programs printed on the side exposed to the cameras
Baby bottles with big government programs on them as well

On the fringe people could hand out fliers that say something like...

Please urge the state government to pass more gun control laws in addition to the thousands already on the books

Please urge the state to pass more seat belt laws

Please urge the state to pass more cell phone laws

Please urge the state to let prisoners go free

Please urge the state to raise our taxes

Please urge the state to...

Man this is fertile ground...


22 posted on 10/16/2009 12:45:15 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Deficit spending, trade deficits, unsecure mortages, worthless paper... ... not a problem. Oh yeah?)
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To: OldDeckHand

I can see it now. If this legislation passes, the wacko environmentalists will want to set up CHP checkpoints on I-40 and I-15 to stop all motorists and search for bootlegged big-screen TVs...lol. This legislation is totally unnecessary because the power consumption of TVs (and computers, appliances, etc.) is continually declining as technology improves.


23 posted on 10/16/2009 12:46:20 PM PDT by your local physicist (Gridlock is good...in Washington.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“And in the winter, the heat will be a boon not a bane.”

Exactly.


24 posted on 10/16/2009 12:46:26 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: Marty62

Yeah and we banned incandescent light bulbs before anyone else.

We are soooo screwed


25 posted on 10/16/2009 12:46:32 PM PDT by the long march
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To: OldDeckHand

Just remember that capital punishment is never carried out in a capitol.


26 posted on 10/16/2009 12:46:43 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (ACORN: Absolute Criminal Organization of Reprobate Nuisances)
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To: DonaldC

What’s more, we hear how this nation cannot have these things (or AC) anymore because they are “bad” for the environment and cause global climate change. Except now the rest of the world is finanlly ramping up to using cars (China and India) and rather than starting with the new “greener” technologies, they are using the same technologies that we can no longer use (got to get off of oil).

It isn’t about the environment or even scarcity of resources. The damned socialists have said for 40 years that “we consume too much of the world’s resources”, we have to do without.

We will have crappy low flow toilet, weak showerheads, no more control of our thermostats, and whatever size tv the government mandates.

It is unAmerican.


27 posted on 10/16/2009 12:47:18 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The character assassination of Rush Limbaugh is worse than what the Left accused Joe McCarthy of.)
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To: your local physicist

OK sooooo...
It’s a way of making a CA based company richer, by forcing eveyone to buy a NEW TV to comply with the STATE REGS. Ah yes, bend over everyone. Ca is geting ready to...... you fill in the blanks.


28 posted on 10/16/2009 12:47:18 PM PDT by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: DownInFlames
I can see it now, bootlegging big screens from outside Cali for major profits.

Will they have border inspections for Big Screens like they have for fruits/vegetables (California Border Protection Stations (BPS))?

29 posted on 10/16/2009 12:47:41 PM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
People will simply shop for this stuff outside of California. Nevada and Oregon should see a boost.

Actually, once it's illegal to buy them in-state the neighboring states will begin to ask for an ID to make sure they aren't violating some other law. At least that's what happened when buying oil-based paints was virtually banned several years ago.

30 posted on 10/16/2009 12:47:48 PM PDT by astrodude
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To: tsmith130
What will the Hollywood crowd do?

Keep buying bigger and bigger screens.
They are "the ruling class".
"Rules" don't apply to them.

31 posted on 10/16/2009 12:47:51 PM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: Marty62

From trendsetter .. to laughingstock

sigh


32 posted on 10/16/2009 12:47:52 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard)
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To: MAexile
"Kind of like what happens in NH when Mass. raises the cigarette taxes. Traffic jams on Rt’s 3, 93, 28 and 95. "

I remember reading last year (or earlier this year) that the MA state legislature was exploring ways to levy sales tax on items purchases made by MA residents in NH. How they were going to do that, was anyone's guess. But, I don't put anything past liberals when collecting taxes.

Did you see that story and do you know if it actually went anyplace?

33 posted on 10/16/2009 12:48:04 PM PDT by OldDeckHand (No Socialized Medicine, No Way, No How, No Time)
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To: Marty62

Another thing to consider, California has a billion dollar industry in motion pictures. They want to see people GO to the movies and not watch them at home.

Eradicating home theaters is one way to accomplish this goal.


34 posted on 10/16/2009 12:48:26 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The character assassination of Rush Limbaugh is worse than what the Left accused Joe McCarthy of.)
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To: the long march

I did that to may stores in the late 70’s and 80’s. Profit ya know. Started it to save energy costs so I could keep my employees.


35 posted on 10/16/2009 12:49:11 PM PDT by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: Marty62

Won’t happen.
The elitists will inherently have a different set of rules.


36 posted on 10/16/2009 12:49:30 PM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: Marty62

So does that mean no more GIANT TV at the football stadium?


37 posted on 10/16/2009 12:49:55 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: Marty62

That’s fine when you choose it.

That’s not so fine when you force everybody else to choose it.


38 posted on 10/16/2009 12:50:26 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (ACORN: Absolute Criminal Organization of Reprobate Nuisances)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

That’s probably true, but the Japanese, Taiwanese, and Korean companies that make most TVs seem to be dedicated to improving their products in all ways and reducing power consumption even if consumers don’t demand it right now. Power consumption of consumer electronics keeps declining because these Asian companies think years ahead and they know improved energy efficiency is the right thing to do for their companies in the long run. So my conclusion is these regulations are a totally unnecessary response to a nonexistent problem.


39 posted on 10/16/2009 12:50:37 PM PDT by your local physicist (Gridlock is good...in Washington.)
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To: MrB

There would be dodges, such as buying used units.


40 posted on 10/16/2009 12:51:07 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (ACORN: Absolute Criminal Organization of Reprobate Nuisances)
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To: Marty62

Fluroscent lights will prove to be the downfall of modern civilization—— too much mercury inside, too many high voltage and high pitched frequencies, too light in the way of full spectrum lighting.

Bleech. And if you want to use them VOLUNTARILY fine -——why insist that I have to?


41 posted on 10/16/2009 12:51:21 PM PDT by the long march
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To: Hodar
...it can’t be the hot tubs, the in ground pools, the AC units, the number of lights used for decorative rather than illumination, the fountains running 24/7, or any other unnecessary luxury.

You're right - summer comes and the pump for an in ground pool runs 8 to 10 hours a day. Hollywood big liberals aren't going to give up any perks - YOU can give up your TV...

42 posted on 10/16/2009 12:51:23 PM PDT by GOPJ (Not a dime of taxpayer funds to build municipal stadium for the NFL.Freeper:afoolinparadise)
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To: a fool in paradise

HUMMM. I wonder how much energy a Movie Theatre uses.
Never mind...don’t want to give them any ideas.


43 posted on 10/16/2009 12:51:30 PM PDT by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: Marty62

These proposed regulations wouldn’t apply to TVs people already own and operate. They would only apply to new TVs, so nobody would be forced to buy a new TV.


44 posted on 10/16/2009 12:52:18 PM PDT by your local physicist (Gridlock is good...in Washington.)
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To: Marty62

Well there ARE theaters that save on power by using lower watt bulbs for their projectors making the screen darker than it should be.


45 posted on 10/16/2009 12:52:29 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The character assassination of Rush Limbaugh is worse than what the Left accused Joe McCarthy of.)
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To: markomalley

Thanks for the right rear quarter view of the 1968 Camaro, my fav car.


46 posted on 10/16/2009 12:52:57 PM PDT by exit82 (Sarah Palin is President No. 45. Get behind her, GOP, or get out of the way.)
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To: marstegreg
Just another example of government indecision. Didn’t we all have to buy HD TV’s last year? So now they are banned? Unbelievable ....

No problem... the government will help you buy another converter to convert the HD signal from last year's converter back to a regular signal.

47 posted on 10/16/2009 12:53:18 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: your local physicist

Obama’s healthcare plan doesn’t mandate that you drop private insurance but he says that within 20 years no one will have private coverage which is the goal.


48 posted on 10/16/2009 12:53:26 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (The character assassination of Rush Limbaugh is worse than what the Left accused Joe McCarthy of.)
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To: the long march

Yep I agree. I don’t like to be FORCED to do anything.


49 posted on 10/16/2009 12:54:56 PM PDT by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: a fool in paradise

Interestingly enough, I haven’t heard of movie projectors using any kind of fluorescent lamp technology. It’s always a big hot xenon or halogen lamp.


50 posted on 10/16/2009 12:56:21 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (ACORN: Absolute Criminal Organization of Reprobate Nuisances)
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