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The Soon Coming Climax Proof The Bible Is True
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Posted on 10/17/2009 9:12:18 AM PDT by kindred

1. The Jewish people would be scattered worldwide; yet Israel would become a nation again after a long time and at a time the Bible calls the "latter days"-ref Isa 66:8; Mic 5:3; Ezek 38:8. Against what appeared to be impossible odds, this prophecy has been fulfilled. It happened as predicted on May 14, 1948 after about 2500 years. That’s 1 out of 1. Note: Israel was destroyed in approximately 721 B.C. and Judah about 135 years later. Since that time, approximately fourteen different peoples have possessed the land of Israel. Yet as the Bible said, the nation of Israel would be reborn. The rebirth of Israel was a key sign, indicating we had entered a time period called the "latter days." It was the beginning of a countdown leading to the Tribulation and culminating with the Battle of Armageddon and the return of Jesus. Along with the fulfillment of this crucial event are over 360 prophecies that would all come together, so we might recognize that the Tribulation is very close at hand. Some of these are listed here. Yet the Bible foretells that most people would not believe these things, despite the overwhelming evidence of the signs from God’s Word being fulfilled exactly as predicted. As people refused to believe the flood was coming in Noah’s time, so people today willingly choose to disregard the signs of the times.

2. Israel shall be brought forth in one day, at once-ref Isa 66:8. Prophecy fulfilled-May 14, 1948. That’s 2 out of 2. Note: On Nov. 29, 1947, the General Assembly of the U.N. approved a resolution calling for the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine. On the morning of May 14, 1948 (the last day of the British mandate), a meeting of the People’s Council took place in Israel to decide on the name of the state and to finalize the declaration. At precisely 4 pm, the proclamation ceremony began at the Tel Aviv museum. The 979 Hebrew words of the Scroll of Independence were read. All stood, and the scroll was adopted. The notorious White Paper, issued by the British in 1930 restricting Jewish immigration, was declared null and void. Members of the People’s Council signed the proclamation. David Ben-Gurion rapped his gavel, declaring, "The State of Israel is established. This meeting is ended." Israel was brought forth as a nation in one day, at once, exactly as predicted. At midnight, the British soldiers and high commissioner would leave. President Truman was swift in announcing U.S. recognition of Israel. The following morning, on May 15, Israel was under attack by the Egyptian, Syrian, Lebanese, Jordanian, and Iraqi forces.

3. Israel would be brought forth (or reborn) "out of the nations"-Ezek 38:8. Prophecy fulfilled-May 14, 1948. That’s 3 out of 3. Note: As previously stated, on Nov. 29, 1947, the General Assembly of the "United Nations" approved a resolution calling for the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine. This prophecy was perfectly fulfilled. Consider, for centuries the land of Israel had been occupied by many nations. Israel was "brought forth out of the nations"—the children of Israel from many nations have been returning to their ancient homeland.

4. Israel must regain the city of Jerusalem-Joel 2:32; Isa 28:14; Ezek 22:19. This happened just as predicted in 1967. That’s 4 out of 4. Note: The Bible gives us two methods so we would know the time we are in. One is by Israel’s rebirth. The other, by a precise line of events that would all come together at one time. Israel was reborn on May 14th, 1948. The Bible indicates that from Israel’s rebirth a generation would not pass till all be fulfilled. We are not setting any date; however, it seems clear from Israel’s rebirth and the signs of the times— that we are living in the generation in which the Rapture and Tribulation will come and catch most people by surprise. Are you ready?

5. The Christian church at the time of the end would be lukewarm, neither cold nor hot for Jesus. Prophecy fulfilled. That’s 5 out of 5. Note: God will spew them out. Many ministers and people that call themselves a Christian will not be going to heaven. The Bible tells us—you have acquired wealth, but your true condition is wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked, and you don’t know it-Rev 3:14-22. This is today’s church. Most preachers use little Scripture, but lots of worldly stories. Many sing a great deal, but put little emphasis on repentance, obeying, serving, and fearing God, on the fruits of the Spirit, Bible prophecy, water baptism by immersion, and studying your Bible faithfully every day. Many are only entertainment centers that teach what their members want to hear. Many (so-called Christians) are so lukewarm or dead, they don’t even bring their Bibles with them to the house of God. Some famous ministers and Bible schools think this is the best church age ever, yet the Bible clearly shows it is the worst and most deceived.

6. The Bible gives us over 50 descriptions about the people at the time of the end. These fit the people of today perfectly, but did not fit the people of fifty years ago. Here are some:

A. Some would depart from the faith and go into devil worship-1 Tim 4:1. This is perfect. B. People would mock about the last days and not believe-2 Pe 3:3; Jude 18. C. People would become lovers of themselves-2 Tim 3:1,2. Remember the TV commercials—"I do it for me"? D. People would be disobeying their parents-2 Tim 3:1,2. E. People would be grateful for nothing-2 Tim 3:1,2. F. Homosexuality would increase-Lk 17:28,30; ref Gen 19:5; Ro 1:24,26,27. G. People would be without self-control in sex-2 Tim 3:1,2,6; Rev 9:21, Lk 17:28,30; Jude 7. Is this not the great sex generation? H. People would love pleasures more than God-2 Tim 3:1,2,4. This is true. Shall we go on a picnic, watch football, or sleep. Church?—we can go another time. Our American motto "In God we trust" has become a joke. Remember, these were all predicted centuries ago as part of the signs that we are at the time of the end. I. People would be taking drugs-Rev 9:21. The Greek word for sorceries, in Rev 9:21, means pharmaceuticals or drugs. God’s Word is 100% right on every one. That’s 6 out of 6. How could you have any doubts at this point? Note: Fifty years ago, many people seldom locked their doors at night. There was little or no profanity on television, radio, or in the movies. One of the biggest problems in public school was gum chewing. Those days are long gone. 7. There would be weapons that could destroy the world-Mk 13:20; Rev 6:8; Rev 9:18; Zech 14:8,12. Incredibly, this prophecy was written in the days of spears and arrows, yet today it is true. That’s 7 out of 7. Note: It is estimated that the combined nuclear arsenals of the USA and Russia (as of the year 2007) could kill every living thing on earth 6 times over.

8. The Gospel must be published in all the world-Mk 13:10. This seemingly impossible prophecy was written when there was no printing press, but today it is true. That's 8 out of 8. Note: In this last generation, to our knowledge, the Gospel is being published (or is about to be published) in the primary language of every nation of the world or "among all nations." In addition, the Gospel is available by short-wave radio nearly everywhere in the world.

9. In the "latter days," when Israel was once again a nation, there would be a great military power to the extreme north of Israel in the land of Magog (which is modern-day Russia)-Ezek 38:2-4,8,15,16. Incredible. That’s 9 out of 9. Note: How could the Bible have foretold the location of this nation, facts about its military, and even the time period it would come to pass? As was already said, in Lk 24:25-O FOOLS, AND SLOW OF HEART TO BELIEVE ALL THAT THE PROPHETS HAVE SPOKEN.

10. There would be a nation to the far east of Israel, to the end of the earth. This nation would have an army of 200 million. This is astounding. How could the Bible have told the location of a nation and given such a huge figure regarding the size of its army nearly 2000 years ago? China has boasted that they could field an army of this exact figure. That’s 10 out of 10.

11. There would be an economic alliance of the nations of the Old Roman Empire. It would have a military capability. This is an exact description of the European Union today (the EU), which has already adopted the one-currency system for many of their member nations. It is written, IN THE DAYS OF THESE KINGS (these nations, which is now) SHALL THE GOD OF HEAVEN SET UP A KINGDOM-Dan 2:44. That’s 11 out of 11. We have just reached the point that seemed impossible—11 perfect predictions made thousands of years ago—with God nothing is impossible. Certainly, at this point, even the biggest skeptic should see the Bible is true, there is a God, and we are nearing the time of the end.


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Bible prophecy is both a comfort and a warning to bible believers so that we can know and look up in these latter day events as the 2nd Coming of Christ as King of Kings and Lord of Lords draws near.
1 posted on 10/17/2009 9:12:19 AM PDT by kindred
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To: kindred

I get to be first!
WE ARE DOOMED!
AMEN!


2 posted on 10/17/2009 9:15:58 AM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: kindred

The strong delusion has been sent...


3 posted on 10/17/2009 9:17:22 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: anniegetyourgun

Obama’s got enough of an ego without being referenced in the Bible.


4 posted on 10/17/2009 9:25:07 AM PDT by gundog (And a babe shall lead them. -Sarah 20:12)
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To: anniegetyourgun

Amen to that.

11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

2 Thessalonians 2 (King James Version)

1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

2That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

5Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

6And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

7For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

8And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

13But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

14Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

15Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

16Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,

17Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.


5 posted on 10/17/2009 9:26:20 AM PDT by kindred (Facts are a stubborn thing, but people are even more stubborn and will deny facts.)
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To: kindred
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

Islam is the strong delusion.

6 posted on 10/17/2009 9:31:55 AM PDT by BigFinn (islam IS what Islam DOES.)
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To: lexington minuteman 1775

[WE ARE DOOMED!]

The body of Christ is not under the wrath of God and will be translated before the great and terrible day of the Lord.
1THESS 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

1THESS 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

1THESS 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

1THESS 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

1THESS 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


7 posted on 10/17/2009 9:32:42 AM PDT by kindred (Facts are a stubborn thing, but people are even more stubborn and will deny facts.)
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To: anniegetyourgun

... and the O-bots, dem-bots & enviro-naughts are evidence the deception has taken hold! They’re chanting unashamedly in the streets now, even: “Single-Payer Option Now!” like total Chuck-E-Cheeze animated puppets, desperate to keep the dream alive.


8 posted on 10/17/2009 9:35:11 AM PDT by MonicaG (Thank you to our military & veterans, with love & gratitude. XOXOXO)
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To: kindred

Thanks for posting this...very interesting. Particularly #5...the church is definitely lukewarm.

I left a church because the pastor backs obama. He’s currently on his ‘prayer team’ and advocates all that obama is pushing. His name is Joel Hunter.

This is also why 54% of catholics voted for obama.


9 posted on 10/17/2009 9:36:30 AM PDT by spacejunkie01
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To: lexington minuteman 1775
Why? Who told you to fear the coming wrath?
10 posted on 10/17/2009 9:41:54 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: kindred

bookmark


11 posted on 10/17/2009 9:52:33 AM PDT by DocRock (All they that TAKE the sword shall perish with the sword. Matthew 26:52 Gun grabbers beware.)
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To: kindred
"Therefore be on the alert, for you do not know which day your Lord is coming."
12 posted on 10/17/2009 9:53:52 AM PDT by HerrBlucher (Obamanos!)
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To: kindred

This is all baloney. Those interested in Bible prophecy should read these books: The Last Days According to Jesus (R C Sproul), Last Days Madness (Gary DeMar), and The Parousia (James Stuart Russell).


13 posted on 10/17/2009 10:04:25 AM PDT by grumpa (VP)
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To: kindred; Alamo-Girl; airborne; Amityschild; AngieGal; AnimalLover; annieokie; aragorn; auggy; ...
PING TO THE END TIMES LIST . . . AND a more journalistic paragraphing for easier reading. [Many just scroll by such masses of text]

Posted on Saturday, October 17, 2009 10:12:18 AM by kindred

1. The Jewish people would be scattered worldwide; yet Israel would become a nation again after a long time and at a time the Bible calls the "latter days"-ref Isa 66:8; Mic 5:3; Ezek 38:8.

Against what appeared to be impossible odds, this prophecy has been fulfilled. It happened as predicted on May 14, 1948 after about 2500 years. That’s 1 out of 1.

Note: Israel was destroyed in approximately 721 B.C. and Judah about 135 years later. Since that time, approximately fourteen different peoples have possessed the land of Israel. Yet as the Bible said, the nation of Israel would be reborn.

The rebirth of Israel was a key sign, indicating we had entered a time period called the "latter days." It was the beginning of a countdown leading to the Tribulation and culminating with the Battle of Armageddon and the return of Jesus.

Along with the fulfillment of this crucial event are over 360 prophecies that would all come together, so we might recognize that the Tribulation is very close at hand.

Some of these are listed here. Yet the Bible foretells that most people would not believe these things, despite the overwhelming evidence of the signs from God’s Word being fulfilled exactly as predicted. As people refused to believe the flood was coming in Noah’s time, so people today willingly choose to disregard the signs of the times.

2. Israel shall be brought forth in one day, at once-ref Isa 66:8. Prophecy fulfilled-May 14, 1948. That’s 2 out of 2. Note: On Nov. 29, 1947, the General Assembly of the U.N. approved a resolution calling for the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine.

On the morning of May 14, 1948 (the last day of the British mandate), a meeting of the People’s Council took place in Israel to decide on the name of the state and to finalize the declaration.

At precisely 4 pm, the proclamation ceremony began at the Tel Aviv museum. The 979 Hebrew words of the Scroll of Independence were read. All stood, and the scroll was adopted.

The notorious White Paper, issued by the British in 1930 restricting Jewish immigration, was declared null and void. Members of the People’s Council signed the proclamation. David Ben-Gurion rapped his gavel, declaring, "The State of Israel is established. This meeting is ended." Israel was brought forth as a nation in one day, at once, exactly as predicted.

At midnight, the British soldiers and high commissioner would leave. President Truman was swift in announcing U.S. recognition of Israel. The following morning, on May 15, Israel was under attack by the Egyptian, Syrian, Lebanese, Jordanian, and Iraqi forces.

3. Israel would be brought forth (or reborn) "out of the nations"-Ezek 38:8. Prophecy fulfilled-May 14, 1948. That’s 3 out of 3.

Note: As previously stated, on Nov. 29, 1947, the General Assembly of the "United Nations" approved a resolution calling for the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine.

This prophecy was perfectly fulfilled. Consider, for centuries the land of Israel had been occupied by many nations. Israel was "brought forth out of the nations"—the children of Israel from many nations have been returning to their ancient homeland.

4. Israel must regain the city of Jerusalem-Joel 2:32; Isa 28:14; Ezek 22:19. This happened just as predicted in 1967. That’s 4 out of 4.

Note: The Bible gives us two methods so we would know the time we are in. One is by Israel’s rebirth. The other, by a precise line of events that would all come together at one time.

Israel was reborn on May 14th, 1948. The Bible indicates that from Israel’s rebirth a generation would not pass till all be fulfilled. We are not setting any date; however, it seems clear from Israel’s rebirth and the signs of the times— that we are living in the generation in which the Rapture and Tribulation will come and catch most people by surprise. Are you ready?

5. The Christian church at the time of the end would be lukewarm, neither cold nor hot for Jesus. Prophecy fulfilled. That’s 5 out of 5.

Note: God will spew them out. Many ministers and people that call themselves a Christian will not be going to heaven. The Bible tells us—you have acquired wealth, but your true condition is wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked, and you don’t know it-Rev 3:14-22. This is today’s church.

Most preachers use little Scripture, but lots of worldly stories. Many sing a great deal, but put little emphasis on repentance, obeying, serving, and fearing God, on the fruits of the Spirit, Bible prophecy, water baptism by immersion, and studying your Bible faithfully every day.

Many are only entertainment centers that teach what their members want to hear. Many (so-called Christians) are so lukewarm or dead, they don’t even bring their Bibles with them to the house of God. Some famous ministers and Bible schools think this is the best church age ever, yet the Bible clearly shows it is the worst and most deceived.

6. The Bible gives us over 50 descriptions about the people at the time of the end. These fit the people of today perfectly, but did not fit the people of fifty years ago. Here are some:

A. Some would depart from the faith and go into devil worship-1 Tim 4:1. This is perfect.
.
B. People would mock about the last days and not believe-2 Pe 3:3; Jude 18.
.
C. People would become lovers of themselves-2 Tim 3:1,2. Remember the TV commercials—"I do it for me"?
.
D. People would be disobeying their parents-2 Tim 3:1,2.
.
E. People would be grateful for nothing-2 Tim 3:1,2.
.
F. Homosexuality would increase-Lk 17:28,30; ref Gen 19:5; Ro 1:24,26,27.
.
G. People would be without self-control in sex-2 Tim 3:1,2,6; Rev 9:21, Lk 17:28,30; Jude 7. Is this not the great sex generation?
.
H. People would love pleasures more than God-2 Tim 3:1,2,4. This is true. Shall we go on a picnic, watch football, or sleep. Church?—we can go another time. Our American motto "In God we trust" has become a joke.

Remember, these were all predicted centuries ago as part of the signs that we are at the time of the end.

I. People would be taking drugs-Rev 9:21. The Greek word for sorceries, in Rev 9:21, means pharmaceuticals or drugs. God’s Word is 100% right on every one. That’s 6 out of 6.

How could you have any doubts at this point?

Note: Fifty years ago, many people seldom locked their doors at night. There was little or no profanity on television, radio, or in the movies. One of the biggest problems in public school was gum chewing. Those days are long gone.

7. There would be weapons that could destroy the world-Mk 13:20; Rev 6:8; Rev 9:18; Zech 14:8,12. Incredibly, this prophecy was written in the days of spears and arrows, yet today it is true. That’s 7 out of 7.

Note: It is estimated that the combined nuclear arsenals of the USA and Russia (as of the year 2007) could kill every living thing on earth 6 times over.

8. The Gospel must be published in all the world-Mk 13:10. This seemingly impossible prophecy was written when there was no printing press, but today it is true. That's 8 out of 8.

Note: In this last generation, to our knowledge, the Gospel is being published (or is about to be published) in the primary language of every nation of the world or "among all nations." In addition, the Gospel is available by short-wave radio nearly everywhere in the world.

9. In the "latter days," when Israel was once again a nation, there would be a great military power to the extreme north of Israel in the land of Magog (which is modern-day Russia)-Ezek 38:2-4,8,15,16. Incredible. That’s 9 out of 9.

Note: How could the Bible have foretold the location of this nation, facts about its military, and even the time period it would come to pass? As was already said, in Lk 24:25-O FOOLS, AND SLOW OF HEART TO BELIEVE ALL THAT THE PROPHETS HAVE SPOKEN.

10. There would be a nation to the far east of Israel, to the end of the earth. This nation would have an army of 200 million. This is astounding. How could the Bible have told the location of a nation and given such a huge figure regarding the size of its army nearly 2000 years ago? China has boasted that they could field an army of this exact figure. That’s 10 out of 10.

11. There would be an economic alliance of the nations of the Old Roman Empire. It would have a military capability. T

This is an exact description of the European Union today (the EU), which has already adopted the one-currency system for many of their member nations. It is written, IN THE DAYS OF THESE KINGS (these nations, which is now) SHALL THE GOD OF HEAVEN SET UP A KINGDOM-Dan 2:44. That’s 11 out of 11.

We have just reached the point that seemed impossible—11 perfect predictions made thousands of years ago—with God nothing is impossible. Certainly, at this point, even the biggest skeptic should see the Bible is true, there is a God, and we are nearing the time of the end.

BLESSED BE THE NAME OF THE LORD.
BLESSED BE THE WORD OF THE LORD.
BLESSED BE THE GOALS OF THE LORD.
.
BLESSED BE THE WAYS OF THE LORD.
BLESSED BE THE WILL OF THE LORD.
BLESSED BE THE JOY OF THE LORD.
.
BLESSED BE THE TRUTHS OF THE LORD.
BLESSED BE THE PEOPLE OF THE LORD.
BLESSED BE THE DISCIPLINES OF THE LORD.
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BLESSED BE THE PROPHETS OF THE LORD.
BLESSED BE THE TIMING OF THE LORD.
BLESSED BE THE COMING OF THE LORD.
.
BLESSED BE THE HARVEST OF THE LORD.
BLESSED BE THOSE WHO HOPE IN THE LORD.
BLESSED BE THE GLORY OF THE LORD.
.
BLESSED BE THE ALMIGHTY OF ISRAEL.
BLESSED BE GOD OF THE ANGEL ARMIES.
BLESSED BE THE LION OF JUDAH.
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BLESSED BE ALL WHO SEEK GOD WHOLE-HEARTEDLY.
BLESSED BE ALL WHO PUT GOD FIRST ABOVE ALL ELSE.
BLESSED BE THE DOERS OF THE WORD OF GOD.
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BLESSED BE THE BROKEN AND CONTRITE OF HEART. BLESSED BE THOSE WHO REJOICE IN THE LORD.
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BLESSED BE THOSE WHO WATCH FOR HIS APPEARING WITH TRIMMED LAMPS FULL OF OIL.
BLESSED BE THOSE WHO BRING SOULS TO THE LORD JESUS.
BLESSED BE THE KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.
.
BLESSED BE THE PURE IN HEART.
BLESSED BE THE BELOVED WASHED IN THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB.
BLESSED BE HIS SHEEP WHO HEAR HIS VOICE.
.
BLESSED BE HIS LOVERS IN HIS NAME.
BLESSED BE THE KIND HEARTED AND KIND DOERS.
BLESSED BE THE MERCIFUL IN HIS MERCY.
.
BLESSED BE THE PATIENT IN HIS PATIENCE.
BLESSED BE THE WISE IN HIS WISDOM.
BLESSED BE THE UNDERSTANDING IN HIS UNDERSTANDING.
.
BLESSED BE THE WATCHMEN ON THE WALL.
BLESSED BE THE ENDURING IN HIS ENDURANCE.
BLESSED BE THE OVERCOMING IN HIM THE OVERCOMER OF THE WORLD, THE FLESH, DEATH AND THE DEVIL.
.
BLESSED BE ALL WHO CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS.
BLESSED BE THE OBEDIENT TO HIS WORD, HIS WILL, HIS SPIRIT, HIS WAYS.
BLESSED BE THOSE WHO WAIT ON THE LORD.

14 posted on 10/17/2009 10:04:44 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

thanks , for the ping :)


15 posted on 10/17/2009 10:06:08 AM PDT by DvdMom (Freeper Smokin' Joe does the freeper Avian / H1N1 Ping List)
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To: kindred

“Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.” — Matthew16:28

“But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.” — Luke 9:27

“Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.” — Matthew 23:36

“Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.” — Matthew 24:34

“Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.” — 1 John 2:18


16 posted on 10/17/2009 10:07:10 AM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: DvdMom

Sure.

and you for yours.


17 posted on 10/17/2009 10:11:31 AM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: kindred

Maranatha!!!


18 posted on 10/17/2009 10:11:35 AM PDT by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publicae scholae)
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To: kindred

1THESS 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
****
Rapture..latin word not in the bible. Then we which are alive and REMAIN (can’t go and stay at the same time) caught up means to be made one...we are made one with the cloud of witnesses that is in the book of Revelation. To meet the Lord in the air..that air is not heaven it is the air we breathe....and the Lord sets his Kingdom up on earth.

This wide spread VERY POPULAR belief IS one of the endtime delusions and lies. Doctrines of Devils.

Oh but but...how can SO MANY be deceived???? HOW is this possible???? Follow the money and THINK about the anger and rage at God when it doesn’t go the way they have been taught. And don’t think that can’t be true. Judas walked with Christ and still tried to force it to go the way he wanted or had been TAUGHT it should. Judas hung himself.
Be ready to STAND for what you believe in!! NEVER has martydom been God’s wrath!! NEVER. Better get some back bone and quick..no one is flying away.


19 posted on 10/17/2009 10:29:16 AM PDT by briarbey b (There is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: spacejunkie01

“I left a church because the pastor backs obama. He’s currently on his ‘prayer team’ and advocates all that obama is pushing. His name is Joel Hunter.

This is also why 54% of catholics voted for obama.”


I can see how religious as opposed to spiritual people, especially if they are limited by dull or lazy minds, could buy into about 85% of BHO’s blatitudes.

How any person of any sincere faith - I extend this to the majority of non-Christian faiths - could examine BHO’s statements and history on abortion, infanticide, and now parricide and still support him at all is quite beyond me.

Criminals are easier to understand than these people of common, banal, passive evil.


20 posted on 10/17/2009 10:29:29 AM PDT by Psalm 144
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To: grumpa

You don’t believe the Bible so none of this happened in History? “Only the fool,in his heart, says there is not God”


21 posted on 10/17/2009 10:42:12 AM PDT by fish hawk (Lord, help us to attain knowledge and the wisdom to apply it toward your ultimate will.)
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To: lexington minuteman 1775
WE ARE DOOMED!

Um, I'm not doomed at all. I have perfect peace about what is on the horizon.

22 posted on 10/17/2009 10:48:41 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: kindred

Thanks. Check the tagline. It has been there for a short while.


23 posted on 10/17/2009 10:57:38 AM PDT by wizr (The Bible is the Truth. We just lie to ourselves when we don't want to believe it.)
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To: briarbey b

Although I ‘want’ to believe in the pretrib rapture, I do believe all things point to us being here throughout the tribulation and will be with Christ right before he destroys the earth.


24 posted on 10/17/2009 11:05:09 AM PDT by spacejunkie01
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To: kindred

There is a name for the doctrine displayed here, its called Dispensationalism. Its main feature is a pretribulation rapture. I once was a pretrib dispensationalist, I heard arguments against it, so I determined to get to the bottom of the issue.

I did a really in depth search of what the Bible says about the resurrection, second coming, and rapture, it took me almost a year, following people like Hal Lindsey and Tim LaHay (left behind), I realized they had ripped me off.

I discovered that the Bible teaches no such thing as two second comings, one before the tribulation, and one after it. It is something that has to be read into the Bible, it is not there.

Once I saw the pretrib rapture was false, the entire Dispensationalist system came unwound. Dispensationalism requires a pretrib rapture for the system to work.


25 posted on 10/17/2009 11:27:37 AM PDT by sasportas
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To: kindred

You are a strange person.


26 posted on 10/17/2009 11:33:19 AM PDT by verity (Obama Lies)
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To: verity

bump


27 posted on 10/17/2009 11:33:57 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: spacejunkie01

The rapture teachers state Elijah and Enoch but fail to also note Daniel in the Lions Den and Shadrack and buddies in the furnace...there was a fourth man NOT put in there by the king. There is NO reason God’s people can not endure the fires of judgment..NO REASON..even with the destruction of the earth. Noah survived the flood..he never left the air of this earth. Why couldn’t God just lift Noah, family and animals up like this so called rapture..flood the earth, dry it up and set them back down? WHY do lukewarm believers, most look more like the world than the Church THINK they are better than all the saints that have died for the last 2000 years? Spoiled bunch..in for a rude awakening. :) Whether THEY believe it or not!!


28 posted on 10/17/2009 11:38:46 AM PDT by briarbey b (There is nothing new under the sun.)
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To: Quix

This is your best, most clear-cut response I’ve seen. Blessed indeed, brother.


29 posted on 10/17/2009 11:52:17 AM PDT by Liberty Tree Surgeon (Mow your own lawn!)
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To: sasportas

I might add, I didn’t say that I found the “rapture” to be false, I found the PRETRIBULATION rapture to be false. The rapture, meaning the gathering together, or “catching up” of the saints in the air at Christ’s second coming, is truth. The Bible teaches the rapture, but not a “pretrib” one.

The second coming is not two separate events, one before the tribulation, one after it some seven years later. The resurrection, second coming, and rapture are simply different aspects of the same singular event...taking place at end of the tribulation, at the last day of this age.


30 posted on 10/17/2009 11:54:22 AM PDT by sasportas
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To: All

A strong man has entered the country a Goliath among men ,

But I say to you My Children will you defeat him or call him friend ?!

For I AM your forbearance so come to me and see ,

Inquire of your Savior come to the garden and kneel beside Me !

Be my watchman in the Tower be My Shepherd through the night ,

Pray in earnest as Rachel and Sarah , come ! Break My heart this very night !

For I AM your Intercessor in all you say and do ,

I AM your Strong Tower , your Mighty Oak to cling onto ,

Don’t ever feel you must waiver or let go ,

Cling onto your Savior and My Virtue you shall know !

Surely Storms and Trials I have said you will go through ,

But I AM your Arm your Shoulder and Strong Tower so come to me to be redressed and renewed ,

For I AM your Righteousness and Armor that you wear !

Come to ME My Children ! For Truly I DO CARE ! ! !

Genesis 16:11-12

11 The angel of the LORD also said to her:
“You are now with child
and you will have a son.
You shall name him Ishmael, [a]
for the LORD has heard of your misery.

12 He will be a wild donkey of a man;
his hand will be against everyone
and everyone’s hand against him,
and he will live in hostility
toward [b] all his brothers.”

Psalm 61:3-4

3 For you have been my refuge,
a strong tower against the foe.

The Nations are now entering into an opened scroll ,

Into things they do not know !

Behold the new forget the old ,

Look to the things not yet fullfilled that have been fortold ,

Forget your past and come to me ,

Come under My wings do not flee ,

For soon your DaySpring shall arrive !

Prepare your hearts for me , Come Abide !

Isaiah 46:9-13
9 Remember the former things, those of long ago;
I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me.
10 I make known the end from the beginning,
from ancient times, what is still to come.
I say: My purpose will stand,
and I will do all that I please.

11 From the east I summon a bird of prey;
from a far-off land, a man to fulfill my purpose.
What I have said, that will I bring about;
what I have planned, that will I do.

12 Listen to me, you stubborn-hearted,
you who are far from righteousness.

13 I am bringing my righteousness near,
it is not far away;
and my salvation will not be delayed.
I will grant salvation to Zion,
my splendor to Israel.

Obadiah 15

“The day of the LORD is near
for all nations.
As you have done, it will be done to you;
your deeds will return upon your own head.

Martial Law is about to unfold ,

These are all things I have fortold ,

If the government would come upon me ,

Then as they see Me in you the same persecution you shall see ,

Do not look at how they appear ,

And do not fear !

But I shall release ,

To you My peace ~ ~ ~

Knowledge before things unfold ,

The secrets of the enemy before you ~ told ,

The Hidden side of My Scroll ,

So stay in tune and Harmony with Me ,

Christ Jesus for I AM your Sanctuary . . .

Isaiah 9:6
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Isaiah 9:7
Of the increase of his government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on David’s throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever. The zeal of the LORD Almighty will accomplish this.


31 posted on 10/17/2009 12:15:43 PM PDT by Jedediah
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To: Liberty Tree Surgeon

THANKS TONS FOR YOUR KIND WORDS.

GOD BE WITH YOU.

BLESSED WEEKEND TO YOU.


32 posted on 10/17/2009 12:16:49 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: briarbey b

I’m not the least bit convinced that you have it all figured out

either.


33 posted on 10/17/2009 12:19:04 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: sasportas

NOPE.

REPLACEMENTARIANISM, A-MIL, PRETERIST, POST-MIL

POSITIONS ARE ALL

far , far, far less supported in Scripture than Dispensationalism regardless of the Rapture timing.


34 posted on 10/17/2009 12:21:22 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: briarbey b

God COULD do a lot of things . . .

as long as they were consistent with HIS WORD.


35 posted on 10/17/2009 12:22:21 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Jedediah

AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!


36 posted on 10/17/2009 12:23:34 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

Yeah this is good everything is opening up and unfolding all in balance ! with God’s will .


37 posted on 10/17/2009 12:34:55 PM PDT by Jedediah
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To: Jedediah

INDEED.

I keep thinking some interesting personal life experiences are coming for some within 30 days.

Am I off the wall?


38 posted on 10/17/2009 12:50:21 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: anniegetyourgun
strong delusion has been sent...

Dispensationalism?

39 posted on 10/17/2009 1:00:35 PM PDT by Lee N. Field (An armed society is a polite society. So keep your soi-disant "prophets" off my lawn.)
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To: briarbey b

Your points are well taken...don’t forget also, the children of Israel when God was sending the plagues on the people of Egypt, escaped the wrath of the plagues. They weren’t removed, they just didn’t endure them.

Same for the passover.

Read also Ezekiel 9:3-6 (I believe this is the scripture)...God tells Ezekiel that he is going to kill every man, woman and child but he asks Ezekiel to have the ‘scribe’ mark the forhead of all those who sigh and cry over the abominations and he will protect them from his wrath.


40 posted on 10/17/2009 1:03:13 PM PDT by spacejunkie01
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To: Quix

You said: “REPLACEMENTARIANISM, A-MIL, PRETERIST, POST-MIL POSITIONS ARE ALL far , far, far less supported in Scripture than Dispensationalism regardless of the Rapture timing.”

I agree with you, Quix. The thing all these have in common, is that they are not premillennialists. I am premill, and so are you. However, my position is “Historic” Premill, as opposed to Dispensationalist Premill.

When you research church history (hence, the “Historic” Premill designation), you find the position of those who wrote before the rise of Augustine and the Roman Catholic Church, to be post-trib, non-dispensationalist. Theologians refer to it as “Chiliasm.” This is the position I take, the historical position.

The Pretrib rapture and the Dispensationalist system are modern innovations. John Darby of the 19th century is known as “the father of Dispensationalism.” He started something heretofore unknown in church history.


41 posted on 10/17/2009 1:03:15 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: sasportas

Thanks for your kind reply.

My reading indicates Darby is a Johnny come lately to the party.

I’m glad you spent a year to study . . . I think . . . I disagree with where you ended up.


42 posted on 10/17/2009 1:07:39 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: kindred
Is dispensationalism true. Decide for yourself:

Pretrib Rapture Diehards
The Dispensational "Parenthesis" Theory Examined
The Two Covenants: The Answer To Dispensational Theology
Matthew 24: The Fig Tree

If you want a system based on hype and sensationalism, and one that wavers every time some middle east leader changes their underwear, then futurist dispensationalism is The System® for you.

43 posted on 10/17/2009 1:26:22 PM PDT by topcat54 ("Don't whine to me. It's all Darby's fault.")
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To: kindred

As a Christian who believes in prophecy, I also realize that most have degrees of vagueness or a context which hinders them from being declared to be the fulfillment some claim.

Certain fulfillments include Isaiah 53, and suffering servant is not Israel as the alternative explanation asserts, while the prediction of a future ruler being born in Micah 5:2 also has a rather conspicuous fulfillment.

While many of the prophecies invoked as foretelling the birth of Israel also have largely unfulfilled aspects, the fact that the Bible foretells Israel existing and facing enemies is quite declaratory of its prophetic status.

I wonder how the U.N. feels about this, even though it has a future filfilment?

(Zec 12:3) “And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.”


44 posted on 10/17/2009 1:32:17 PM PDT by daniel1212 ( For the transgression of a land many are the princes thereof: - Prv. 28:2)
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To: sasportas
Hey sasportas - thank you for post #25. I had always believed the Dispensational view since that is what all the Christians around me all my life believed (so I assumed it was Biblical). During the election last year, my adult Sunday school class would chatter about Obama and the antichrist and so forth, so I suggested we actually do an in-depth study of Revelation and End Times prophecy - just to ensure that we really do know what we're talking about when we talk like this.

Upon thinking about it, I realized that while I knew-of such things, from a technical perspective, I really didn't know anything. So to be thorough for my students, I spent the last year reading many authors and studying that aspect of the Bible diligently.

Oh wow...I had no idea the same era that gave us Evolution,Eugenics and Marxism gave us Dispensationalism. That disturbed me. I read more. In the end, I came to the same conclusion as you. I just hinted to my seminary trained DH what I had found and he went all Quix on me (I dropped it quickly and didn't bring it up again - sigh).

As I begin to teach this class, I'm going to present all views and all facts - get them in the Bible and let them draw their own conclusion without revealing my experience until the very end of the study.

I love to read these threads now because I actually know what all sides are talking about and for the most part, it amuses the heck out of me. I didn't go into my study with a desire to tear down my own beliefs. It's just that when presented with facts, I cannot continue to believe a fallacy, no matter how painful it is to admit it.

Keep the faith :)
-meow2

45 posted on 10/17/2009 1:36:11 PM PDT by meowmeow (In Loving Memory of Our Dear Viking Kitty (1987-2006))
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To: sasportas
When you research church history (hence, the “Historic” Premill designation), you find the position of those who wrote before the rise of Augustine and the Roman Catholic Church, to be post-trib, non-dispensationalist. Theologians refer to it as “Chiliasm.” This is the position I take, the historical position.

Dear FRiend,

While historic premillennialism is far better that the errant subform of dispensationalism, I have a question about the historical evidence for the premil position.

If we define a premillennialist as one who believe that Christ will physically reign on the earth for a thousand years after the second coming and resurrection, what specific evidence would you use to substantiate the premil position in the early church?

I have not gotten an answer to this question.

In reviewing some on the ancient writers who are listed as supporting the premillenarian position, I could not find anything that could identify with this modern definition.

E.g., in Justin Martyr, we read:

But I and others, who are right-minded Christians on all points, are assured that there will be a resurrection of the dead, and a thousand years in Jerusalem, which will then be built, adorned, and enlarged, [as] the prophets Ezekiel and Isaiah and others declare. (Dialogue with Trypho the Jew, Chapter LXXX)

Now we have understood that the expression used among these words, ‘According to the days of the tree [of life] shall be the days of my people; the works of their toil shall abound’ obscurely predicts a thousand years. For as Adam was told that in the day he ate of the tree he would die, we know that he did not complete a thousand years. We have perceived, moreover, that the expression, ‘The day of the Lord is as a thousand years,’ is connected with this subject. And further, there was a certain man with us, whose name was John, one of the apostles of Christ, who prophesied, by a revelation that was made to him, that those who believed in our Christ would dwell a thousand years in Jerusalem; and that thereafter the general, and, in short, the eternal resurrection and judgment of all men would likewise take place. Just as our Lord also said, ‘They shall neither marry nor be given in marriage, but shall be equal to the angels, the children of the God of the resurrection.’ (Dialogue, Chapter LXXXI)

You will note that in these two rather well-known “premillennial” statements there is absolutely no mention of Christ physically on the earth during the thousand years. One can certainly read one’s biases into the statement and come to that reading, but they do not literally teach what modern premillenarians teach.

46 posted on 10/17/2009 1:39:16 PM PDT by topcat54 ("Don't whine to me. It's all Darby's fault.")
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To: daniel1212

The Zec 12:3 scripture you referenced seems to point to a pretrib rapture to me. Does it to you? I can’t see ‘all’ the people of the earth being gathered against Israel if Christians are still here.

Help! I lean towards pre wrath rapture but would really like to know the truth.


47 posted on 10/17/2009 2:03:32 PM PDT by spacejunkie01
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To: kindred
we are not appointed to wrath but we are promised tribulations.
48 posted on 10/17/2009 2:07:51 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Romak 7.62X54MM, AK47 7.62X39MM, LARGO 9X23MM, HAPINESS IS A WARM GUN BANG BANG YEA YEA)
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To: grumpa

so all the prophecy of the bible has been fulfilled and we are living in the millennium? Awful long millennium.


49 posted on 10/17/2009 2:10:00 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Romak 7.62X54MM, AK47 7.62X39MM, LARGO 9X23MM, HAPINESS IS A WARM GUN BANG BANG YEA YEA)
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To: spacejunkie01; daniel1212
The Zec 12:3 scripture you referenced seems to point to a pretrib rapture to me. Does it to you? I can’t see ‘all’ the people of the earth being gathered against Israel if Christians are still here.
1 The burden of the word of the Lord against Israel. Thus says the Lord, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him: 2 "Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of drunkenness to all the surrounding peoples, when they lay siege against Judah and Jerusalem. 3 And it shall happen in that day that I will make Jerusalem a very heavy stone for all peoples; all who would heave it away will surely be cut in pieces, though all nations of the earth are gathered against it. 4 In that day," says the Lord, "I will strike every horse with confusion, and its rider with madness; I will open My eyes on the house of Judah, and will strike every horse of the peoples with blindness. 5 And the governors of Judah shall say in their heart, 'The inhabitants of Jerusalem are my strength in the Lord of hosts, their God.'
Where exactly do you find the pre-trib rapture theory in that passage? Is it your view that this verse teaches that every living man, woman, and child will literally travel to the middle east to be “gathered against Jerusalem”?
50 posted on 10/17/2009 2:11:39 PM PDT by topcat54 ("Don't whine to me. It's all Darby's fault.")
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