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The Vietnam War We Ignore
NY Times ^ | October 18, 2009 | LEWIS SORLEY

Posted on 10/19/2009 12:20:41 PM PDT by neverdem

AS President Obama and his advisers contemplate a new course for Afghanistan, many commentators are suggesting analogies with earlier conflicts, particularly the war in Vietnam. Such comparisons can be useful, but only if the characterizations of earlier wars are accurate and lessons are appropriately applied.

Vietnam is particularly tricky. While avoiding the missteps made there is of course a priority, few seem aware of the many successful changes in strategy undertaken in the later years of the conflict. The credit for those accomplishments goes in large part to three men: Ellsworth Bunker, who became the American ambassador to South Vietnam in 1967; William Colby, the C.I.A. officer in charge of rural “pacification” efforts; and Gen. Creighton Abrams, who became the top American commander there in 1968.

A closer look at key aspects of how these men rethought their war may prove instructive to those considering our options in Afghanistan today. Among their principles were these:

Fight one war: Abrams, Bunker and Colby agreed that the war would be fought — and won or lost — in the villages. They decided to put equal priority on all key aspects of the war — thus the improvement of South Vietnam’s armed forces and the elimination of covert Vietcong bases and refuges in rural areas were given the same emphasis as large combat operations.

In Afghanistan, it is vital that American and NATO troops get out of their protected bases to work alongside Afghan forces and build trust with civilians. In some ways this may be trickier than in Vietnam, as our troops will have to navigate the tribal and ethnic rivalries that have long divided Afghan society.

Rethink combat operations: The early strategy in Vietnam was to use large units in “search and destroy” sweeps — often on ground of...

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: abrams; afghanistan; vietnam; vietnamwar

1 posted on 10/19/2009 12:20:42 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

KHE SAN comes to mind.


2 posted on 10/19/2009 12:22:06 PM PDT by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: neverdem
Elephant in the Room?

Vietnam was lost because bureaucrats in Washington started dictating a more sensitive approach. They started making certain targets off limits and stopped the carpet bombing that brought the North to it's knees. It was the North that tricked the politicians into stopping the bombing by offering to join peace talks.

The Afghanistan war is now, FINALLY, more like Vietnam because our government is trying to find the most politically advantageous course of action to pacify voters and has forgotten about winning or keeping our troops from harm.

3 posted on 10/19/2009 12:31:24 PM PDT by Tenacious 1 (Government For the People - an obviously concealed oxymoron)
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To: neverdem
Afghanistan was Russia's Viet Nam. We lost in Viet Nam by the rats taking the monies away form the war just when we were winning. With the electronics and satellites war will not be even close to Viet Nam. The military is so good that the rats are scared to supply them. It is time to sweep the rodents out of the house.
4 posted on 10/19/2009 12:33:48 PM PDT by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: neverdem
...few seem aware of the many successful changes in strategy undertaken in the later years of the conflict.

Even fewer seem aware of this particular definition of "successful."

5 posted on 10/19/2009 12:38:15 PM PDT by Grut
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To: mountainlion

The lesson from Vietnam is don’t go to war without popular support behind you.

TC


6 posted on 10/19/2009 1:14:21 PM PDT by Pentagon Leatherneck
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To: neverdem
Well, let's go down the checklist:
Safe havens across the borders...check.
State Department working against national interests...check.
Press in collusion with the enemy...check.
Politicos with no military experience in charge of strategy...check.

Think we got this one covered. I recommend Triumph Foresaken for a great inside look at what went on behind the scenes in Vietnam.

And by the way, the US never lost a military engagement in Vietnam.

7 posted on 10/19/2009 1:51:55 PM PDT by frankenMonkey ("Natural Born Citizen" - US Constitution, 1787; "Words have meaning" - Barack Obama, 2009)
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To: neverdem

The first requirement in any war would seem to be a desire for our side to win the war rather than a desire to war on the people of this country as they increasingly express their alarm and concerns.


8 posted on 10/19/2009 2:46:31 PM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: Pentagon Leatherneck
The lesson from Vietnam is don’t go to war without popular support behind you.

That is the part of the war that I forgot about. John Kerry did his best to stab us in the back along with Hanoi jane. My brother was coming home through Alaska and jane the twit told them to go AWOL and not go. She was telling them don't go home.

9 posted on 10/19/2009 2:56:21 PM PDT by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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