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Four in 10 Americans Fear Obama Will Ban Gun Sales
Politics Daily ^ | October 20, 2009 | Bruce Drake

Posted on 10/20/2009 5:18:28 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: savedbygrace

Seriously, have them read “The Armed Citizen” page in the NRA magazines. They’ll see that having a weapon in the house and knowing how to use will be much to their advantage.


121 posted on 10/21/2009 6:29:22 AM PDT by panaxanax (At what point will the American people finally scream out "NO MORE!!"?)
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To: Daniel II

About that plug. When I look into the chamber from the side, I can see the Magazine Follower inside the Magazine Tube and it is flush with the the near end of the Magazine Tube.

I hope I said that right. If so, it tells me there is NO plug. Since I seriously doubt I will EVER go bird hunting, it’s all good.

The gun store owner also sold me two 5-shell boxes of 2-3/4” #00. Now I need to buy some #7-1/2 for practice. I think I also want to buy a few dummy shells so my two ladies can begin to get used to the SG in a totally safe environment, loading, dummy-firing, and ejecting.

Then I can move them on to the #7-1/2 shells for range practice. Slowly but surely. I mean, late last night, my daughter agreed to go to the range with me and practice.


122 posted on 10/21/2009 8:30:12 AM PDT by savedbygrace (You are only leading if someone follows. Otherwise, you just wandered off... [Smokin' Joe])
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To: savedbygrace

I’ve never seen a gal take to a 12 gauge. My riflery instructor in college was on the US Olympic shooting team (mean bitch, too) and she used a 16 gauge. Just too much kick. A 2-3/4” shell might help, though. I’ve only used three inch.

Since it’s a security model, it probably doesn’t have a plug. I grew up in Texas and Louisiana, and for some reason, they want your gun to be limited in the rounds it can have while hunting. Go figure.

18-1/2” barrel? That’s damn near sawed-off. I guess you won’t be duck hunting with it.


123 posted on 10/21/2009 9:07:09 AM PDT by Daniel II (I'm Jim Thompson, this is my brother Jimmy, and this is my other brother Jimmy)
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To: taxcontrol
http://www.sinclairintl.com/prod_detail_list/Large-Rifle-Primers

Another site that shows some in stock, large and small rifle.

124 posted on 10/21/2009 9:13:12 AM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck. (Let them eat arugula!))
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To: savedbygrace

I tried to find the tests for birdshot vs. buck at the “Box of Truth” website but couldn’t. With some more searching you probably could if you are interested. Lots of stuff in there.


125 posted on 10/21/2009 9:27:36 AM PDT by 21twelve (Drive Reality out with a pitchfork if you want , it always comes back.)
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To: Daniel II

Yeah, the Maverick Security line has two models: the 18-1/2” and the 20”. I’m guessing they’re intended for use inside the home where you sometimes don’t have enough clearance for swinging the longer barrels in an arc to aim at an intruder or two.

http://www.maverickarms.com/pages/88security.htm


126 posted on 10/21/2009 9:30:32 AM PDT by savedbygrace (You are only leading if someone follows. Otherwise, you just wandered off... [Smokin' Joe])
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To: MrB
whether you hit your intended victim target/enemy/bad guy

Correct

Sorry, it was a quick response.

127 posted on 10/21/2009 9:59:51 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (RATs, nothing more than bald haired hippies.)
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To: Pistolshot
Well we were initially talking about a 12 ga as a home defense weapon, which I also have.

I know a 45 makes a pretty good mess as well, but it would be relatively lessened with the single hunk of lead.

Up here I fully believe most homes have firearms at the ready for defense, and as a probable consequence we have a fairly low crime rate, especially home invasions (other than kids burgling when no one is home).

So the bad experience level is kinda rare.

128 posted on 10/21/2009 10:09:52 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (RATs, nothing more than bald haired hippies.)
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To: 21twelve

Thanks for the heads up. I had forgotten about that website.

After reading several of his test reports, it seems he’s concluding that, although birdshot won’t generally go through more than one layer of wallboard, it doesn’t have the power to penetrate vital organs, so it doesn’t stop the bad guy.

Therefore, he recommends #00 and careful targeting.


129 posted on 10/21/2009 10:52:47 AM PDT by savedbygrace (You are only leading if someone follows. Otherwise, you just wandered off... [Smokin' Joe])
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
I know a 45 makes a pretty good mess as well, but it would be relatively lessened with the single hunk of lead.

The 45 is effective, but no handgun cartridge is a reliable one-shot stop. In my case it took 3, including a rather messy one.

Frankly, I would have preferred the 12ga with 7's in it for that one-shot zombie stopper.

Under stress it is much easier to get into action, and even though placement is still important, it is not as critical as a handgun.

130 posted on 10/21/2009 10:54:09 AM PDT by Pistolshot (Brevity: Saying a lot, while saying very little.)
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To: Pistolshot
Well, my hat's off to you for your successful defense of yourself and family...I'm also sorry you had to endure the experience.

There's not much money in it, but there's a lot of real estate in the US where that sort of horror almost never happens. Like the low crime-rate areas in Ranch country for example.

Of course, I'm the kind of guy that thinks all cities suck.

131 posted on 10/21/2009 1:04:30 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (RATs, nothing more than bald haired hippies.)
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To: Soothesayer9
Hey, I'm not a Legionnaire and card-carrying NRA member because I thought it would be a good way to pick up chicks.


132 posted on 10/21/2009 4:54:50 PM PDT by Viking2002
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To: Soothesayer9
Well, let me amend that somewhat: I discovered that my local Legion post was a good place to hide from my first wife - inside a beer mug. LOL


133 posted on 10/21/2009 4:56:37 PM PDT by Viking2002
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Let me repeat so you understand. Get some training from a qualified firearms school. Spend the money so you know exactly what has to happen when things go bad.

A good school will not only teach you how to shoot but when not to according to the legalities in your locale.


134 posted on 10/21/2009 5:00:49 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Oh bull sheite. So what if he does (which he wont)....there are about 10 zillion guns out there now.


135 posted on 10/21/2009 5:03:02 PM PDT by Snurple (VEGETARIAN, OLD INDIAN WORD FOR BAD HUNTER.)
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To: savedbygrace
If so, it tells me there is NO plug.

The position of that plug just means you are empty and the follower has already pushed the last remaining shell out of the magazine tube.

Fully load the tubular magazine and count the shells. The plug is actually sitting inside the tube nestled inside the magazine spring. You have to learn to disassemble the magazine tube, remove the spring and follower to remove the plug. Read the owner's manual to disassemble.

136 posted on 10/21/2009 5:11:20 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: Shooter 2.5
Don't you worry about me, I grew up in a gunshop. Very familiar with the local laws and LEOs.

I don't anticipate a violent home invasion for the next 30 years or so, we don't have that type of crime stats here. DUIs, "texting while driving" and ice storms are the kinds of disaster we worry about.

Maybe you should take some ice storm and Arctic weather survival training...invest the money and be safe.

137 posted on 10/21/2009 5:20:09 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (RATs, nothing more than bald haired hippies.)
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To: panaxanax

ask ‘em if you were bound and gagged in a corner, forced to viewing home invaders raping, torturing and possibly killing them makes them ‘uncomfortable’. ask ‘em if they would rather have had prior planned out defensive procedures put in place by you and they at the home, appropriate (for you, they and your dwelling) firearms available for their/your use in defensive postures, (AND the frequent training, mindset and knowledge of your states legal ramifications to use those weapons if they were employed in a deadly force event to possibly save their/your lives). ask ‘em just what would be more ‘uncomfortable’...I’m thinking you already know the answer, good luck on helping them ‘see the light’, it might save all of your lives.


138 posted on 10/21/2009 5:21:53 PM PDT by bobby.223
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

I grew up in the north and went shooting when it was 30 below actual temperature. As long as I shot the gun dry with no oil, it was fine.


139 posted on 10/21/2009 5:38:09 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA /Patron - TSRA- IDPA)
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To: Shooter 2.5
Wink.

That steel gets pretty damn cold at -30, don't it?

Of course most machinery also hates that end of the temperature range. I gotta admit I'm generally operating the wood stove pretty heavily when it gets like that.

140 posted on 10/21/2009 5:46:07 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (RATs, nothing more than bald haired hippies.)
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