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Obama declares swine flu emergency
AFP ^ | 10/24/09

Posted on 10/24/2009 8:38:37 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

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To: TigerLikesRooster
Symptoms of pig flu: Adults and children may have fever, cough, sore throat, body aches, headaches, chills and fatigue, may also have diarrhea and vomiting.

Why is this different than any other flu?

101 posted on 10/24/2009 9:08:33 AM PDT by svcw (The time is near at hand which must determine whether Americans are to be free men or slaves. GW)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

1,000 deaths!!! O NOOOOOO!!!! That’s almost as many deaths the regular flu produces in....1 week.


102 posted on 10/24/2009 9:08:48 AM PDT by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the existing Constitution"Obama Adviser)
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To: TigerLikesRooster; Grampa Dave; Ernest_at_the_Beach; george76; Liz

Close the malls, say goodbye to Christmas!


103 posted on 10/24/2009 9:08:50 AM PDT by BIGLOOK (Government needs a Keelhauling now and then.)
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To: ladyvet

“Anyone know exactly what they can now do by calling this?”

Bump!


104 posted on 10/24/2009 9:08:52 AM PDT by maggief
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To: albie

Imagine kids being out of school with the flu. Why this has NEVER happened before.

Albie, like you said, this is the a never let a crisis go to waste moment for sure. And some on our side have been more than thrilled to help panic people. (I’m not referring to you here. Just wanted to make sure you knew it.)

One of our local stations described the symptoms this way. The H1N1 symptoms have been mild compared to some other influenza outbreaks. And that’s the way it is, Saturday, October 24, 2009.


105 posted on 10/24/2009 9:09:25 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Deficit spending, trade deficits, unsecure mortages, worthless paper... ... not a problem. Oh yeah?)
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To: achilles2000

I dont discount those, either. Consider all the THOUSANDS (more than just in 9-11) that died at the hands of illegal aliens on American soil, under both the post-9-11 W and Obama Administrations.


106 posted on 10/24/2009 9:09:40 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Election Nite 2010: The Difference beween "Yeahhh! We Did It!!!" and "Oh well. See you in the camps")
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

Not saying there isn’t a widespread outbreak somewhere, but both my wife and I teach in schools in Queens NYC. Each school is over 1500 kids and staffs of 100. Our attendance is running at 95% and my school is averaging 2-5 teachers out a day for all causes. No student of mine has been out more than two consecutive days. And I see 95 kids a day. My daughter works in Penn Station and has noticed no lesssening of the crowds there or on the LIRR going to and from work. Nor has she noticed coughing etc on the trains.
I know these are anecdotals but something’s not right here.


107 posted on 10/24/2009 9:10:19 AM PDT by xkaydet65 (atement)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
A "National Emergency", heh?

Barry, oops I mean Oberstgruppenführer Rahm Emanuel, better tread lightly with this "National Emergency" and any 'Emergency Directives' issued.

If they go for an end run around the Law, like Katrina v2.0, watch out.
The feces will hit the ventilator.

108 posted on 10/24/2009 9:10:41 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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To: BIGLOOK

Oh, but they will still have KWANZAA, donchya know!! ;^(


109 posted on 10/24/2009 9:11:08 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Election Nite 2010: The Difference beween "Yeahhh! We Did It!!!" and "Oh well. See you in the camps")
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To: TigerLikesRooster
It is unbelievable that this crap has legs. When I was kid I remember getting all kinds of flu. Vomiting, killer diarrhea, killer sore throats, killer congested lungs. I feared catching the flu not wanting to go through the torture. But 99% of us lived to be well inoculated healthy adults. Nature is nature and we are naturally inoculated by catching flu.
110 posted on 10/24/2009 9:11:18 AM PDT by jetson
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To: Condor51
Did Senator Obama announce this in advance to ANY of the senior Republican Leadership on the Hill?

Where is FOX NEWS on this??

111 posted on 10/24/2009 9:12:08 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Election Nite 2010: The Difference beween "Yeahhh! We Did It!!!" and "Oh well. See you in the camps")
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To: svcw

Why? Because the CDC, the NIH, and a bunch of calamity queens said so. What’s wrong with you?

Well... nothing. You’re just one of those dunderheads that actually puts their thinking cap on.

Good for you.


112 posted on 10/24/2009 9:12:20 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Deficit spending, trade deficits, unsecure mortages, worthless paper... ... not a problem. Oh yeah?)
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To: Vendome
Further, the state of Washington has approved the use of mercury as a transmitting medium. What are the side effects of injecting a human with mercury? How many children will come down with autism as a result?

Probably none because autism has never been shown to be a result of any amount of thiomersal.
113 posted on 10/24/2009 9:12:29 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: All; socialismisinsidious; holdonnow

?

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/09/swine_flu_path_to_martial_law.html

Girl Scout motto, be prepared.

Do me a favor all, let’s get an actual timeline, along with the recent articles from the CDC and WHO on the swine flu not being what they thought... we also need ‘verification’ of deaths reported as caused by H1N1.

The timeline of nothing being done as Mexicans wore masks and China checking deboarding flight passengers (yes, and even the Biden ‘I told my family not to go on planes’ video); The lack of vaccines as well as the adverse effects to some who took the vaccine. (Lexus Nexus and searches on cases that have been brought due to exemption, damages and scientists that have spoken against... with bonafides in the industry).

Send me the links, or a link to a thread that might have been started already.

On a Saturday no less.

Contacting Sweetness and Light as well as other blogs that follow this. Will bring back links.

P.S. We need the timeline of Emergency Powers Act, exact language re: health emergencies, any articles from states or DC showing any movement towards quarantine inside or outside the home.

P.P.S. We also need to see if Daschle, Emanuel, Holdren and the other eugenicists have ever spoken, written, given talks re: this situation. And news stories on congress and the prez’s family getting their shots and where they were given.

Someone posted the funds doled out for vaccine manufacture to five pharma firms; we need that up with the site links re: testing, press releases, news.


114 posted on 10/24/2009 9:12:31 AM PDT by AliVeritas (Breaking the law, breaking the law; Breaking the law, breaking the law. Judas Priest)
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To: John W

Yes. I was thinking about the 1000 dead mentioned. (...the United States reels from...over 1,000 deaths)

Wikipedia informs: “In Philadelphia for example, 4,597 people died in the week ending October 16 [1918].”


115 posted on 10/24/2009 9:12:58 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast ( If you have kids, you have no right of privacy that the govt can't flick off your shoulder.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
President Barack Obama has declared swine flu a "national emergency,"...

Didn't I read a few days ago that BO is not getting his kids vaccinated?

Is this an *emergency* for us but not them???

116 posted on 10/24/2009 9:13:48 AM PDT by azishot
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To: upstatenyrepublican

I heard that in some of our big cities the vaccine is being reserved for medicaid recipients.


117 posted on 10/24/2009 9:13:51 AM PDT by abclily
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To: ladyvet

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Emergencies_Act

At least two constitutional rights are subject to revocation during a state of emergency:

* The right of habeas corpus, under Article 1, Section 9;
* The right to a grand jury for members of the National Guard when in actual service, under Fifth Amendment.

In addition, many provisions of statutory law are contingent on a state of national emergency, as many as 500 by one count.[1]

//

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/98-505.pdf

http://docs.google.com/gview?a=v&q=cache:CyOv0BlmfFUJ:www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/98-505.pdf+%22national+emergency%22+declaration&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESiczc3uRUSArNkhwRt56TqhRt9RaMmHijkMtdljxT7QxJggo3Kdg79UNT6gJBNX7UFxPoY7JMfDIv4xpQ_WMJpTJ9mTmoSxUKKiQIZegV1GJMjPrAabCYNn5f2vIsMxKEinzW0M&sig=AFQjCNH0WYEFFSmvEHTtFLOEdvs7wpuQOA

National Emergency Powers


118 posted on 10/24/2009 9:14:08 AM PDT by maggief
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To: aruanan

I agree but it is still disturbing.


119 posted on 10/24/2009 9:14:08 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: xkaydet65

Hey, we have another one over here who isn’t buying it. Bring the net... ;-)


120 posted on 10/24/2009 9:14:09 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Deficit spending, trade deficits, unsecure mortages, worthless paper... ... not a problem. Oh yeah?)
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To: goldstategop

This is BS.

It’s a mild flu. Only 1% of people who get it will have a bad time with it.

They claim there isn’t enough vaccines, so why declare National Emergency?

It’s not about the flu. It’s about CONTROL.


121 posted on 10/24/2009 9:14:59 AM PDT by Freddd (CNN is not credible.)
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To: Condor51

I think our chief executive is actually name Orahma.


122 posted on 10/24/2009 9:15:09 AM PDT by abclily
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To: TigerLikesRooster

WILL SOMEONE THAT KNOWS HOW, FIND A COPY OF THIS THING.
IT’S NOT ON THE WH SITE.

PAAALLLLEEEEEZE


123 posted on 10/24/2009 9:15:19 AM PDT by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
*** Where is FOX NEWS on this?? ***

They (Brian Wilson) just announced it over the air a couple minutes ago. They're waiting for more info from the White House.

124 posted on 10/24/2009 9:15:24 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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To: xkaydet65
I know these are anecdotals but something’s not right here.

My wife works in a lab in a hospital in central virginia. There has only been one swine flu death in a large, multi-county area. They do several flu tests a day and swine flu diagnoses are few and far between.

I agree. Something is wrong here.

I don't trust the Marxist-in-Chief.

125 posted on 10/24/2009 9:15:55 AM PDT by paulycy (Predatory Pricing = Public Option = Unethical Competition.)
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To: bannie

I remember catching the Hong Kong flu in 1968. I was in second grade and to this day I believe that was the sickest I’ve ever been in my life.


126 posted on 10/24/2009 9:15:55 AM PDT by gatorhead
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To: xkaydet65

At my daughter in law’s school one class had 21 of 26 students out.That was last week.


127 posted on 10/24/2009 9:16:11 AM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: AliVeritas
I would call your local Republican Congressman (if you can on a Saturday!)--maybe a Hill Staffer here is lurking or Freeping on this Saturday and can fill us in--and find out if they can ascertain from the House Leadership if there as ANY kind of briefing on this "Presidential Emergency Act" in advance to the Congress, and furthermore

what is the exact language, statute, ramifications of this "emergency" that has been declared out of the White House.

128 posted on 10/24/2009 9:16:16 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Election Nite 2010: The Difference beween "Yeahhh! We Did It!!!" and "Oh well. See you in the camps")
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To: TigerLikesRooster

The last two deaths in this part of the country, attributed to swine flu, had an added “had other medical issues” at the end of the news report. Of course, no references to what that was.


129 posted on 10/24/2009 9:16:29 AM PDT by SouthTexas (Obama to send an additional 40,000 troops, not to Afghanistan, but to fight FoxNews.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

fwiw Finland has de-listed swine flu as a contagious disease.


130 posted on 10/24/2009 9:17:17 AM PDT by omega4179
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To: IllumiNaughtyByNature

what’s the product name of the non-standard cleaner ?


131 posted on 10/24/2009 9:17:27 AM PDT by DvdMom (Freeper Smokin' Joe does the freeper Avian / H1N1 Ping List)
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To: nutmeg

I was wonder what took Obama so long to declared medical emergency


132 posted on 10/24/2009 9:17:46 AM PDT by SevenofNine ("We are Freepers, all your media belong to us, resistence is futile")
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To: norwaypinesavage

And the Internet and Talk Radio!


133 posted on 10/24/2009 9:18:15 AM PDT by omega4179
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To: Cicero

Yeah...because Bush never hyped a disease.

Bird flu?
SARS?

I get it that this move at this time is quite ludicrous, but as an epidemiologist, I also get it that this particular flu is not killing the traditional flu victim...29 and otherwise healthy is not the traditional victim.

I’m not saying this will be the atrocious outbreak they are pre-hyping, but the potetntial is greater than a general flu and it strikes in a nontraditional cohort.


134 posted on 10/24/2009 9:18:25 AM PDT by ElectricStrawberry (Didja know that Man walked with vegetarian T. rex within the last 4,351 years?)
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To: Condor51

Fox just had some “former secretary” on and he said this emergency would allow the POTUS to call out the National Guard if it was necessary to control the public if there is panic. I find that most interesting.


135 posted on 10/24/2009 9:19:07 AM PDT by imfrmdixie
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To: TigerLikesRooster; DvdMom; Judith Anne
We need 3 things (and only 3 things) from CDC, right now. Since CDC is, or was, the premier data shop on the planet for human epidemiology, this should be easy:

1) H1N1 case fatality rate, all comers, compared to 2006-07 "seasonal" flu.

2) H1N1 case fatality rate, ages 6 months-24 years, compared to 2006-07 "seasonal" flu.

3) N1H1 case fatality rate, pregnant women, compared to 2006-07 "seasonal" flu.

We're getting an avalanche of stuff from CDC, including labor relations advice, child care advice, stress management advice - but not the data needed to put this episode into some kind of context and enable rational decision-making.

H1N1 is real. There are a lot of cases, it's an interesting virus (very fit), spreads very fast - but how much of an emergency it is, or can be, is yet to be determined.

136 posted on 10/24/2009 9:19:35 AM PDT by Jim Noble (I hope Sarah will start a 2nd party soon)
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To: khnyny

” So...what does that mean exactly? “

It’s hard to tell because every single article has the same nebulous wording.
Back in May, the HHS issued a waiver which allowed hospitals to erect temporary screening areas off site-like in tents in the parking lot.
And I think they released some Tamiflu stockpiles.
But, who knows what the edict means since the wording is so vague.
And the crack media apparently has no curiosity.
Right now, a lot of ERs are swamped with panicked parents and their children.
Screening tents in hospital parking lots and unusually long waits in ERs might make citizens believe we really do have a health care crisis.
Instead of a flu outbreak.


137 posted on 10/24/2009 9:19:37 AM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: SevenofNine

If it is a power grab, CNN will have been in on it, being a part of the government-controlled media, so it will be very instructive to watch them closely for any kind of statments or urgings that look like the are part of some planned agenda for control. I would watch CNN (barf!) today just as much, if not more, than FOX NEWS today, for hints — as to whether there is more to this as I suspect there may be.


138 posted on 10/24/2009 9:19:51 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Election Nite 2010: The Difference beween "Yeahhh! We Did It!!!" and "Oh well. See you in the camps")
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To: Freddd

So is our President going “Mel Zelaya” on us...as many of us guessed in advance?


139 posted on 10/24/2009 9:20:27 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Election Nite 2010: The Difference beween "Yeahhh! We Did It!!!" and "Oh well. See you in the camps")
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To: Cicero
Now, he’s preparing for something else. Presumably, among other things, he intends to use it to ram Government Health Care through without the usual discussion—perhaps with just a 50 vote majority.

Exactly. Hop on board the cattle cars, everyone. We're going on a one-way trip.

140 posted on 10/24/2009 9:20:36 AM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: nutmeg

\Does it seem that the administration would have sent obama out to speak on TV to explain his action? He has never missed a chance to go on
TV, so far as I know. But he is in Conneticut stumpbraking for dodd. An explaintion, for once, seems to be in order.


141 posted on 10/24/2009 9:20:36 AM PDT by katlynne11
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Swine Flu, then Swine Flew.


142 posted on 10/24/2009 9:20:55 AM PDT by SparkyBass
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To: AliVeritas

‘we also need ‘verification’ of deaths reported as caused by H1N1.’

Could be problematic. All who get sick in my area are being told they aren’t testing for it. So unless they test only when someone dies, how can we be certain? Does anyone know at what point they stopped testing for it? I’ve heard it was for cost reasons, but possibly a way to keep exact numbers vague. Now that it’s been deemed an “emergency”, will they start testing again?

Sorry, more questions than answers from me...but I liked your post and it got me to thinking. I’m also very curious about the Emergency Powers Act.


143 posted on 10/24/2009 9:20:59 AM PDT by Kimberly GG (Sarah Palin - Supports a "path to citizenship" for illegal aliens. "path to citizenship" IS AMNESTY)
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To: nutmeg

I wonder if people were forced to wait just to make the lines look longer and so it appears there are more “victims.” This crew knows what it’s doing in terms of victims - it’s hard to say the crisis is manufactured without sounding hard-hearted and cold toward those who have the flu.


144 posted on 10/24/2009 9:20:59 AM PDT by ElayneJ
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To: AliVeritas

That link is a real thrill. Good grief!

This is just one more reason why I’ve been trying to downplay the H1N1 hysteria around here.

We ARE NOT in the middle of a massive killer epidemic. People have just freakin wigged out on this.

Every 12 months or so there is another supposed killer that pops up. What gives? Evidently someone wants a killer epidemic awfully bad, to facilitate their agenda.

The CDC and the NIH should be ashamed of their operations in conjunction with H1N1. Never has a simple influenza been so over-hyped.


145 posted on 10/24/2009 9:21:12 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Deficit spending, trade deficits, unsecure mortages, worthless paper... ... not a problem. Oh yeah?)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
So it sounds like this emergency declaration is to loosen some of the overregulation on hospitals and give them more flexibility.

Might not be as sinister as some of the flu denying / government fearmongers are suggesting.

Besides I don't think Obama wants to kill us all with the flu shot. Judging by his recent appointments, Obama would rather inject us with something to make us all gay.

146 posted on 10/24/2009 9:21:19 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: TigerLikesRooster

National Guard will be called out.

We will see if they would fire on the people, eh?

Guess this will cause a run on the banks as well??

Hope you been preparing. The time is here.


147 posted on 10/24/2009 9:21:19 AM PDT by Freddd (CNN is not credible.)
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To: ArchAngel1983

Emergency Powers

a. Call out Armed Forces

To suppress lawless violence, invasion or rebellion
Not subject to congressional approval or judicial review
President vested with full discretionary power to determine factual basis for calling out armed forces.

b. Suspend the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus

i. In cases of rebellion or invasion and when public safety so requires
ii. Applies only to persons judicially charged for rebellion or offenses inherent in or directly connected with invasion

c. Declare martial law

In cases of rebellion or invasion and when public safety so requires
Does not suspend Constitution
Does not supplant functioning of civil courts or Congress
Does not authorize conferment of jurisdiction on military courts and agencies over civilians where civil courts are able to function
Does not automatically suspend writ of habeas corpus
For period not exceeding 60 days; may be extended by Congress through majority vote of all members of Congress yoting jointly, upon initiative of President if invasion or rebellion persists and public safety requires
No congressional concurrence required, but Congress has power of revocation through majority vote of all members of Congress voting jointly; revocation cannot be set aside by President


148 posted on 10/24/2009 9:21:25 AM PDT by kozanne
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To: maggief
“Anyone know exactly what they can now do by calling this?”

Could this be it? 7.1 The Role of the Federal Government in MSCC
149 posted on 10/24/2009 9:21:31 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: Jim Noble

I would like to see that data too .


150 posted on 10/24/2009 9:21:36 AM PDT by DvdMom (Freeper Smokin' Joe does the freeper Avian / H1N1 Ping List)
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