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White House monitored wayward plane
MSNBC ^ | October 24, 2009

Posted on 10/24/2009 9:47:27 PM PDT by rdl6989

MINNEAPOLIS - There was concern at the White House about that wayward Northwest Airlines jet that flew past its scheduled destination in Minneapolis.

White House spokesman Nick Shapiro told The Associated Press on Saturday that senior White House officials were alerted by the White House Situation Room and they closely monitored the incident.

Shapiro didn't say if President Barack Obama was informed about the wayward plane. Story continues below ↓advertisement | your ad here

Northwest Flight 118 was out of communications with air traffic controllers for over an hour Wednesday night. The plane carrying 144 passengers and five crew members was destined for Minneapolis but overflew the airport by about 150 miles before controllers were able to re-establish contact.

'Nobody feel asleep' The Northwest pilots insist a clandestine snooze isn't to blame for their goof at 37,000 feet. "Nobody fell asleep in the cockpit," first officer Richard I. Cole said.

(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.msn.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News
KEYWORDS: airlines; flight118; northwestflight118; nwa

1 posted on 10/24/2009 9:47:28 PM PDT by rdl6989
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To: rdl6989

is something more going on here? THe pilots aren’t talking. Could there have been a true threat to our and the passengers safety and security? I look forward to clarification by the pilots etc.


2 posted on 10/24/2009 9:50:18 PM PDT by GOP Poet (Obama is an OLYMPIC failure.)
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To: rdl6989

They were probably transmitting one of Comrade Obama’s speeches directly into the cockpit. The pilots were dazed, no doubt confused and probably running to the bathroom to regurgitate with every “uhhhh ...”.

It was a psy-ops test with the most mind-numbing weapon known to man: a BHO speech.

Ought to be against the Geneva Convention, at a minimum.


3 posted on 10/24/2009 9:52:36 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: rdl6989

( White House monitored wayward plane ) you mean, they knew that AIRFORCE ONE was on a joy ride for a photo op in NEW YORK city this passed year when it scared the crap out of NewYorkers ?


4 posted on 10/24/2009 9:52:49 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (There is no civility in the way the Communist/Marxist want to destroy the USA)
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To: rdl6989

I would hope they monitored it, I also would hope that NORAD and the Air Force was on their ass the whole way until the issue was cleared.

Zero, nothing may have come from this, but remember, your primary job is CIC.


5 posted on 10/24/2009 9:53:37 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: GOP Poet
THe pilots aren’t talking.

The flight recorder was apparently not functioning correctly. If I were their attorney I'd tell them to shut up and NOW, whatever happened.

6 posted on 10/24/2009 9:56:17 PM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Remember Neda Agha-Soltan|TV--it's NOT news you can trust)
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To: mnehring
Zero, nothing may have come from this, but remember, your primary job is CIC.

I'd rather that bonehead muzzie sympathizer not get too involved in too many NatSec issues, frankly. Remember, this clown spent 17 years sitting under a guy who cheered on 9/11, blamed it on America and Israel, and was best buddies with Calypso Louie.
7 posted on 10/24/2009 9:57:34 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: rdl6989

They were probably smoking pot and betting on the plane’s fate. “Five hits says it’s gonna crash, dude!”


8 posted on 10/24/2009 9:58:22 PM PDT by Rastus
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To: sionnsar

It was (supposedly) an older model with a 30-minute loop. They were 1 hour 15 minutes or so late, so whatever had been said was over-written at least twice.


9 posted on 10/24/2009 9:59:15 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: GOP Poet

I would imagine that they would monitor any FAA anomaly. It’s to be expected. Now if they only spent as much time monitoring our foreign enemies as they do Fox News and conservatives....


10 posted on 10/24/2009 9:59:44 PM PDT by Wolfhound77
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To: GOP Poet

So many things here are strange. How convenient that the CVR doesn’t have anything! Oh well, there’s nothing to see here but a pilot who missed a turn at the last corner and had to go around the block.


11 posted on 10/24/2009 9:59:46 PM PDT by rdl6989 (January 20, 2013 The end of an error.)
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To: rdl6989
Northwest Flight 118 was out of communications with air traffic controllers for over an hour Wednesday night. The plane carrying 144 passengers and five crew members was destined for Minneapolis but overflew the airport by about 150 miles before controllers were able to re-establish contact.

I have not read any stories on this event, but this sounds odd. First, I thought aircraft were not expected to be constantly in touch with air traffic control. The fact that they were "out of communications with air traffic controllers for over an hour" is misleading. Wouldn't their last air traffic control contact have been the airport they left?

The interval in question would be when they didn't check in with Minneapolis. At 600 MPH, 155 miles is around 15 minutes. Does anybody really believe that the White House was apprised of a flight which was 15 - 20 minutes off course?

12 posted on 10/24/2009 10:03:21 PM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: the_Watchman

Well, the WH did replace the people who didn’t know where AF1 was.

Oh, they didn’t...nevermind.


13 posted on 10/24/2009 10:09:11 PM PDT by razorback-bert (We used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them economical numbers.)
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To: rdl6989
How convenient that the CVR doesn’t have anything!

An old style 30 minute loop recorder isn't going to reveal a thing.

14 posted on 10/24/2009 10:11:29 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: the_Watchman

No, it would have been with the regional ATC they were in contact with. Denver in this case, if I recall.

15 posted on 10/24/2009 10:13:41 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: the_Watchman
Does anybody really believe that the White House was apprised of a flight which was 15 - 20 minutes off course?

And if the flight had been Charlotte-Boston, flying over DC, and NYC?

I think that would have set off the alarms...

16 posted on 10/24/2009 10:16:15 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: razorback-bert

I was thinking along the same lines. AF1 made a terror trip over NYC, but it had fighter jets as escorts, and photo shots... we are so screwed...


17 posted on 10/24/2009 10:16:21 PM PDT by JoanneSD
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To: sionnsar

Sounds as though you and their attorney are of the same mind. This is probably why there is no comment on the content of what distracted them. Everything is just so whacked this wee and honestly I am feeling a bit paranoid right now about our national security overall.


18 posted on 10/24/2009 10:31:40 PM PDT by GOP Poet (Obama is an OLYMPIC failure.)
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To: GOP Poet

wee=week :-)


19 posted on 10/24/2009 10:32:18 PM PDT by GOP Poet (Obama is an OLYMPIC failure.)
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To: rdl6989

If the White House has the ability to tap into any air tower in the country, that deeply disturbs me.


20 posted on 10/24/2009 10:37:33 PM PDT by wastedyears (Clyde Shelton is my hero.)
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To: GOP Poet
Sounds as though you and their attorney are of the same mind.

Even without input from the pilots, the hearings will most likely find "pilot error". I imagine these guys have flown their last commercial craft.

21 posted on 10/24/2009 10:38:15 PM PDT by Lawgvr1955 (You can never have too much cowbell !!)
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To: wastedyears
If the White House has the ability to tap into any air tower in the country, that deeply disturbs me.

Since 9-11 I would imagine any commercial aircraft that are off course and cannot be contacted by radio are quickly reported to the FAA and the Pentagon and then the WH.

22 posted on 10/24/2009 10:40:50 PM PDT by Lawgvr1955 (You can never have too much cowbell !!)
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To: GOP Poet

here’s what happened. For some reason, the first officer probably switched off the emergency frequency. Maybe earlier in the flight, they were disturbed by an emergency beacon going off on the ground. This happens all the time. Somewhere around the previous center sector, ATC either forgot to direct the plane’s pilots to the next sector’s frequency, or the pilots didn’t hear it. When ATC figures out they can’t talk to the pilots, they issue a call on the emergency frequency. But the pilots had turned off the emergency freq earlier and forgot to turn it back on. Meanwhile, bored with the monotony of being overpaid busdrivers, they suddenly realize, 150 miles later, that “hey! where is ATC? They haven’t issued letdown clearances yet. Aren’t we near MSP? Oh sh!%! I think we’re past MSP. FO, get ATC on the line.” FO realizes what happened, got a new clearance from ATC and landed.

BFD. But it makes great headlines.


23 posted on 10/24/2009 10:41:08 PM PDT by bullypulpit
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To: sionnsar

I have a good friend who is a pilot for Delta. He says that their asses are gone no matter what.


24 posted on 10/24/2009 10:47:13 PM PDT by aliquando (A Scout is T, L, H, F, C, K, O, C, T, B, C, and R.)
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To: the_Watchman

They should have entered initial descent about 30 minutes before they got to the airport, then gotten in the pattern for final descent and landing.

They missed all those phases of the flight.

This wasn’t like missing a turn off on the interstate.

They missed a whole checklist of altitude changes, speed changes, and other issues.


25 posted on 10/24/2009 10:54:32 PM PDT by MediaMole
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To: F15Eagle

Probably got a lot “Ok, NOW we’re going the right way”, though.


26 posted on 10/24/2009 11:05:53 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: bullypulpit

Interesting scenario, but actually the individual who noticed they should have arrived was the senior flight attendant.


27 posted on 10/24/2009 11:11:46 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: rdl6989

The aircraft reportedly went 150 miles beyond it’s destination. At 400 miles per hour, that wouldn’t take very long.

The hour’s worth of non-contact is what bothers me, and then add on it’s route beyond it’s destination, that makes this a very serious looking incident.

I’m quite curious to hear what the explanation is.

My advice to the pilots is claim to be Muslim converts, contact CAIR for support, and sue the airlines.

Hell, they’ll get a million each and retire.


28 posted on 10/24/2009 11:24:53 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Deficit spending, trade deficits, unsecure mortages, worthless paper... ... not a problem. Oh yeah?)
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To: rdl6989
"Don't look...just fly"


29 posted on 10/24/2009 11:55:15 PM PDT by montag813 (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. -George Orwell)
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To: montag813

The White House was concerned that it could have been an attack on Ashwaubenon.


30 posted on 10/25/2009 12:07:13 AM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: aliquando
He says that their asses are gone no matter what.

Maybe they can get a job flying rubber dog s#(* out of Hong Kong?

31 posted on 10/25/2009 12:19:11 AM PDT by OBXWanderer
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To: aliquando

Frankly, these are two asses that belong behind bars.


32 posted on 10/25/2009 12:38:06 AM PDT by Carley (OBAMA IS A MALEVOLENT FORCE IN THE WORLD)
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To: the_Watchman
There are two types of contact: radar contact, in radio communications contact. They would have been in radar contact all the time, but were not responding to ATC radio transmissions to them for quite some time (more than the 20 mins corresponding to 150 miles).

This wouldn't be the first time the whole cockpit crew fell asleep -- it happened on a flight to LA years ago, where the plane flew out over the Pacific.

33 posted on 10/25/2009 7:01:08 AM PDT by expatpat
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To: the_Watchman
First, I thought aircraft were not expected to be constantly in touch with air traffic control. The fact that they were "out of communications with air traffic controllers for over an hour" is misleading. Wouldn't their last air traffic control contact have been the airport they left?

Left out of the story is any mention of whether air traffic control tried to reach THEM.

You would expect that ATC would know that the flight was supposed to land there, and say hello to them as they entered their region, tell them about landing conditions, etc, at least 10-15 minutes before anticipated landing. Then get concerned if the plane didn't answer.

34 posted on 10/25/2009 7:09:46 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: rdl6989

Well, the MSNBC story has pretty much tried and convicted them of sleeping. If MSNBC says they were sleeping, they must have been wide awake.

What if they did something like dial in an incorrect freq? Then get caught up talking and not notice the time? Surely they would know where they are at though.


35 posted on 10/25/2009 7:46:41 AM PDT by Big Giant Head (Running my computer bare naked for over a year with no infections at all.)
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To: aliquando

I’d imagine you’re right. And of course, in the back of the other pilots’ minds ... “What are their seniority numbers?”


36 posted on 10/25/2009 11:45:50 AM PDT by bootless (Never Forget. Never Again. And NEVER GIVE UP!)
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To: ArmstedFragg

Ok, the flight attendant alarmed the pilots. That’s crew coordination. Good for the pilot for creating an atmosphere where any crew member, regardless of rank, could bring stuff up.


37 posted on 10/25/2009 8:21:57 PM PDT by bullypulpit
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