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FACT CHECK: Health insurer profits not so fat
WFAA (DFW)/AP ^ | 11-25-09 | CALVIN WOODWARD

Posted on 10/25/2009 6:54:49 AM PDT by engrpat

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Quick quiz: What do these enterprises have in common? Farm and construction machinery, Tupperware, the railroads, Hershey sweets, Yum food brands and Yahoo? Answer: They're all more profitable than the health insurance industry. In the health care debate, Democrats and their allies have gone after insurance companies as rapacious profiteers making "immoral" and "obscene" returns while "the bodies pile up."

Ledgers tell a different reality. Health insurance profit margins typically run about 6 percent, give or take a point or two. That's anemic compared with other forms of insurance and a broad array of industries, even some beleaguered ones.

Profits barely exceeded 2 percent of revenues in the latest annual measure. This partly explains why the credit ratings of some of the largest insurers were downgraded to negative from stable heading into this year, as investors were warned of a stagnant if not shrinking market for private plans.

Insurers are an expedient target for leaders who want a government-run plan in the marketplace. Such a public option would force private insurers to trim profits and restrain premiums to compete, the argument goes. This would "keep insurance companies honest," says President Barack Obama.

The debate is loaded with intimations that insurers are less than straight, when they are not flatly accused of malfeasance.

They may not have helped their case by commissioning a report that looked primarily at the elements of health care legislation that might drive consumer costs up while ignoring elements aimed at bringing costs down. Few in the debate seem interested in a true balance sheet.

(Excerpt) Read more at hosted.ap.org ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: insurance; obamacare; profits
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Please read the rest. Can't believe the AP actually published this, Obama won't be pleased.
1 posted on 10/25/2009 6:54:49 AM PDT by engrpat
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To: engrpat

They left out one very important fact: The government profits over 20% off of the average worker. Some much higher but some lower.


2 posted on 10/25/2009 6:58:08 AM PDT by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
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To: engrpat

So where do the billion dollar bonuses come from?


3 posted on 10/25/2009 6:58:58 AM PDT by Wolfie
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Well over one month ago, Mark Levin cited statistics that showed the insurers were operating on a 3% profit margin, compared with 9% for the beverage industry. This isn’t really news to us, though it may be to “them”.

Cons need to do a much better job of getting their info across, but I know it’s hard when the MSM is operating as the Fifth Column, and when the GOP is in a state of confusion about what its message is.


4 posted on 10/25/2009 6:59:38 AM PDT by Canedawg (FUBO)
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To: Canedawg

If profits were as “fat” as Jay Rockefeller claims, why doesn’t he start his own health insurance company, using the Rockefeller fortune, the Kennedy money, and the John Kerry Heinz money?


5 posted on 10/25/2009 7:13:01 AM PDT by DavidAccord
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To: Wolfie

Billion dollar bonues in the insurance industry? Care to be a bit more specific? Hmmmmmm?


6 posted on 10/25/2009 7:37:26 AM PDT by mazda77 (Rubio for US Senate)
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i saw a figure somewhere that said 44% of health insurers are non profits like BCBS, kaiser etc. ????


7 posted on 10/25/2009 8:08:57 AM PDT by Roamin53 (Islamists kill more people each year in the name of religion than the Inquisition did in 350 years!)
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If 1/6 of our economy is related to health care/health insurance, then 2-6% is a lot of friggin money.


8 posted on 10/25/2009 8:20:46 AM PDT by Use as Directed
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The majority of health insurer profits come from investments they make with premiums.

Most depend on these investments to stay in business.


9 posted on 10/25/2009 8:45:58 AM PDT by Onerom99 (I)
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If 1/6 of our economy is related to health care/health insurance, then 2-6% is a lot of friggin money.

You mean that as our economy grows, companies' profit margins should grow smaller? And you have a better idea to do that than competition?
10 posted on 10/25/2009 8:51:17 AM PDT by kenavi (No legislation longer than the Constitution.)
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To: Use as Directed

LOL. Is this a joke?


11 posted on 10/25/2009 9:02:05 AM PDT by Onerom99 (I)
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To: engrpat

And for the moderators who complain about sites not referencing this site I will now put this up as a reference point.

http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2009/10/figures-congressional-raises-topped-insurance-company-profits-last-year/


12 posted on 10/25/2009 9:06:15 AM PDT by Pride_of_the_Bluegrass
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Oh dear. Are we now going to hear that “AP isn’t really a news wire?”


13 posted on 10/25/2009 9:15:18 AM PDT by MizSterious (Do you not think an angel rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm? John Page, 1744-1808)
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Conservatives should beware of considering the health insurance industry as "us" against a government "them."

The insurance industry has invested a lot in getting a bill passed that includes a requirement for everyone to buy insurance. They stand to make a lot of money from such a requirement.

It has gone way past capitalism.
14 posted on 10/25/2009 9:18:33 AM PDT by mysterio
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Guess you can add the AP to Obama’s enemies list.


15 posted on 10/25/2009 9:31:20 AM PDT by DesScorp
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To: mazda77

United’s CEO Willima McGuire. Got himself caught up in an options backdating scandal and was forced to resign in ‘06...with, naturally, a golden parachute of over $1 Billion in new options.


16 posted on 10/25/2009 9:35:52 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Wolfie

thanks


17 posted on 10/25/2009 10:01:31 AM PDT by mazda77 (Rubio for US Senate)
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To: Use as Directed
You still have to look at margin. If an insurance company risks $3 billion to make a 2% to 3% profit, they might think about starting an airline or something where they could at least push it to around 5%.

Personally, I wouldn't invest in either. Both possess too much downside risk. And when you make insurance a “personal right”, that downside risk will get very much worse. Abuse, waste and overuse will become even more endemic.

The public option is a colossal boondoggle conceived only for its negative effect and the collectivization of the country.

18 posted on 10/25/2009 10:01:37 AM PDT by downtownconservative (As Obama lies, liberty dies!)
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To: engrpat; All

Without real competition and chose in the industry, I’m not going take this margin as relevant. Dems are wrong, but it’s also wrong to think this is how it should be.


19 posted on 10/25/2009 10:48:26 AM PDT by Rick_Michael (Have no fear "President Government" is here)
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Anyone with a computer and Internet connection can find out the profit margin of any publicly traded company. You can go to Yahoo Finance and click on "Income Statement" and do the math.

I got curious and did the math on this months ago. General Electric looks like the U.S. Mint compared to United Health Group. The telling numbers are the gross margins. Revenue for UNH are basically premiums. GOGS are basically the insurance payouts. UNH's gross margin for last year at 7.7% pales compared to GE's at 54%. UNH's net profit margin for 2008 was 3.7% compared with 9.5% for GE.

Think about that one for a minute. For UNH, this is a comparison of money in to money out. How many charities have overhead of less than 10%?

These are facts which have been out there for years for the mainstream media to take a few minutes to examine and analyze. They willfully have chosen not to.

As for "immoral" profit margins, it is not the size of the margin nor the size of the actual dollars which make a profit immoral to a Democrat. The view of the Democrats is any profit whatsoever is immoral in the business of health insurance, and also in the businesses of investment banking and petroleum processing. Apparently there are no such moral restrictions on Hollywood and other "acceptable" commercial endeavors.

20 posted on 10/25/2009 10:49:15 AM PDT by magellan
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