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Prosecutors subpoena journalism students' grades-The Innocence Project.
The Examiner ^ | 10/25/09 | Mark Tapscott

Posted on 10/25/2009 4:04:06 PM PDT by opentalk

Chicago prosecutors have subpoenaed the grades and other material regarding the classroom performance of Northwestern University journalism students, according to The New York Times. Seems the prosecutors are tired of being second-guessed by the J-students, who are participants in The Innocence Project.

The Innocence Project is an effort by Northwestern's Medill School of Journalism to provide students with real-life experience in scrutinizing the actions of police and prosecutors in old cases. Their work has led to the release of at least 11 inmates who were shown to have been wrongly convicted.

It's that success rate that has the local DAs filing motions with little precedent, according to the Times: the grades, grading criteria, class syllabus, expense reports and e-mail messages of the journalism students themselves.

Whatever one thinks about the death penalty, everybody agrees that innocent people should not go to jail for crimes they didn't commit. That Chicago prosecutors are going after the messengers of bad news has the aroma of abuse of office.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonexaminer.com ...


TOPICS: Government; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: chicago; cookcounty; deathrow; dna; innocenceproject
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1 posted on 10/25/2009 4:04:06 PM PDT by opentalk
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To: opentalk

“That Chicago prosecutors are going after the messengers of bad news has the aroma of abuse of office”

Really? I wonder how these journalists feel about their man obama going after FOX and Glenn Beck


2 posted on 10/25/2009 4:09:36 PM PDT by ElayneJ
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To: opentalk
This is why I'm against the death penalty now. I've always been a staunch defender of the death penalty, but after watching prosecutorial misconduct at an unprecedented level over the last ten years - seeing prosecutors knowingly send people to prison or to their deaths so that they can salvage or advance their legal careers - I can no longer support the ultimate punishment until we get our legal system under control.
3 posted on 10/25/2009 4:10:25 PM PDT by Engineer_Soldier (Political correctness is all good for nobody.)
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To: opentalk

Oh heck.

Just let the criminals out.

Why they’re all “innocent” right?

LOL!!!!


4 posted on 10/25/2009 4:12:44 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Engineer_Soldier

I’m against the whole dam government and most of the people who elected it. Hell, I’m against everybody and everything.


5 posted on 10/25/2009 4:15:33 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (IN A SMALL TENT WE STAND CLOSER! ****** IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: ElayneJ
The Chicago Way, Kill the messenger
6 posted on 10/25/2009 4:17:06 PM PDT by opentalk
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To: ElayneJ
This is the heart of the "Chicago Way". They've always been sending innocent people to jail.

Mayor Daley and his running dog lackeys are the problem here. The sooner they're OUT OF OFFICE AND IN PRISON the safer everybody will be.

7 posted on 10/25/2009 4:19:19 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: opentalk
Chivago, Cook County, Northwestern

Shocked! I tell you! Shocked! Real reporters, who are not real reporters, doing the job of the State Run Media! Neophytes showing up the journeymen.

8 posted on 10/25/2009 4:19:41 PM PDT by Road Warrior ‘04 ( I'll miss President Bush greatly! Palin in 2012! The "other" Jim Thompson)
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To: opentalk

J schools are a fraud. Those kids should be in Law school or pre-law.


9 posted on 10/25/2009 4:26:44 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Bushbacker1
Chivago

Freudian slip?

10 posted on 10/25/2009 4:55:36 PM PDT by Road Warrior ‘04 ( I'll miss President Bush greatly! Palin in 2012! The "other" Jim Thompson)
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To: Bushbacker1

Next thing you know, you’ll have gift shop clerks breaking MAJOR political scandals, or maybe 20-year-old, skirted girls with camcorders provoking the political collapse of huge activist groups...!

Oh, wait...


11 posted on 10/25/2009 5:22:56 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: opentalk
I wonder what the basis for the subpoena is? Prosecutors can't just willy nilly look at anything their hearts desire. I would think the students would have some good lawyers to fight any "bad faith" investigation into matters not relevent.

Of course, get the case in front of the right (wrong) judge and it would be a waste.

Crook County, IL.

12 posted on 10/25/2009 5:25:29 PM PDT by Lawgvr1955 (You can never have too much cowbell !!)
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To: Engineer_Soldier

I believed firmly in the death penalty until I did my Criminal Law clinic in law school, and actually worked on several of the cases that were first uncovered by the innocence project.

Of the three men I represented who were on death row: One was without a doubt, forensics proved it innocent. (and even though we knew that, as did several government officials he was still in jail 20 years later.)

One was probably innocent, but when he went to trial in the early 80’s he found out he was HIV positive and thought he’d be dead soon so he didn’t put up much of a defense and didn’t say anything when his lawyer didn’t call any of his Alibi witnesses (his lawyer was hired by the State’s Attorney a few weeks after the trial)

One was a murderer, and a cop-killer, but he’d gotten life in prison for that murder, and he was framed for a second murder (recently confirmed by the deathbed confession of the real murderer btw) so vengeful cops could make sure he got the Death penalty

We can debate the morals of the Death Penalty another time (I’m a Christian and I believe the Lord meant what he said about “whatsoever you do to the least of these) But the simple fact is, the system by which we administer it is badly broken, and probably could never be fixed to the level of certainty that such a final penalty demands.

And, surprisingly enough, it costs more to execute a prisoner than it does to keep them in prison for life; so there is really no other argument than pure vengeance FOR it (and again I believe the Lord claimed that for his own)


13 posted on 10/25/2009 5:41:14 PM PDT by Probonopublico
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

me too.

if anyone is for it, i am against it

its a matter of principle

i someone other than me likes it

it cannot be good

oops, if you are against everything, how can i agree with you?

time for a “teaching moment”

i’ll have a Coors.


14 posted on 10/25/2009 5:47:07 PM PDT by kralcmot (my tagline died with Terri)
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To: opentalk

The government should not kill its citizens. Life in prison. Simple.

About the subpoena: Why can’t we get these rubes to subpoena The Won’s records while they’re at it, maybe a copy of his application to school or his BIRTH CERTIFICATE!

Sorry, the elephant in the room just had to speak.


15 posted on 10/25/2009 5:47:35 PM PDT by Macoozie (Go Sarah! Palin/Bolton 2012)
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To: Probonopublico

Good post. I agree with you, btw.


16 posted on 10/25/2009 6:15:07 PM PDT by khnyny (Too much power in too few hands is never a good thing.)
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To: opentalk
The dependence on DNA is letting guilty people go free.

A girl has sex with her boyfriend no one is aware of or a stranger and then later get raped and murdered by another man wearing a rubber who gets put on death row. Innocence project people come along and push for DNA testing which comes up with a unknown DNA sample not from the man in jail and he is let go because of it.

Another example, a girls is raped and murdered by 2 men, the police arrest one man and convict him of the murder and give him death penalty for it. Innocence project people come along and demand DNA testing, which comes back showing that another man raped the girl (the other man that was with the convicted man) and they let the man go thinking he is innocent.

There are two examples just off the top of my head where solely depending on DNA to prove people innocence is probably letting guilty people get away with crimes.

17 posted on 10/25/2009 6:25:45 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied, the economy died)
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To: Probonopublico

Just as our Republic presupposed a Christian society, so our justice system probably presupposes a Christian justice system whose world view would be offended by causing the death of an innocent man. Godly Jews would also fit well within our system of justice, but people who do not have a deep-seated system of morality that governs their beliefs will find that their system is only governed by the whims of other men (laws) or their own whims, and many of those people will allow personal interest to intrude into their notion of justice. That is how society and law break down.


18 posted on 10/25/2009 7:40:29 PM PDT by Defiant (The absence of bias appears to be bias to those who are biased.)
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To: Probonopublico
What is your feeling on punishment for this case: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2370759/posts?

Strangely, for an opinionated old geezer such as I, my thoughts never got as far as punishment...

19 posted on 10/25/2009 7:43:52 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...!!)
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To: Lawgvr1955
From the article in NYtimes:

The notion that students would have been rewarded with better grades for witnesses who confirmed the thesis that Mr. McKinney was innocent is simply false, he said.

“My students are told to uncover the truth, wherever that leads them,” he said. In the last four years, he said, students had twice concluded that the convicts whose cases they were studying were indeed guilty.

Northwestern University and David Protess, the professor who leads the students and directs the Medill Innocence Project, say the demands are ridiculously overreaching, irrelevant to Mr. McKinney’s case, in violation of the state’s protections for journalists and a breach of federal privacy statutes — not to mention insulting.

20 posted on 10/25/2009 11:16:25 PM PDT by opentalk
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