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Union at Odds with FAA Over PIlots' Penalty
Wall Street Journal ^
| Oct. 30, 2009
| Andy Pasztor
Posted on 10/30/2009 3:24:16 PM PDT by La Enchiladita
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To: Cicero
Id still like to know what the hell they were doing all that time. This story stinks Yep. 78 minutes is a long, long time to supposedly be engrossed in your laptops and not hear a call, especially repeated calls.
The CVR track will tell the story. And they know that.
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posted on
10/30/2009 4:34:18 PM PDT
by
Regulator
(Welcome to Zimbabwe! Now hand over your property....)
To: Mark was here
The passengers should be charged for the extra airplane ride. Only if they get extra frequent flyer miles.
To: papasmurf
They seem to be voluntarily lying and keeping their lips sealed about the truth. Too bad the FAA ever knuckled under to these stupid union agreements.
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posted on
10/30/2009 4:43:35 PM PDT
by
La Enchiladita
(Yes, it IS the end of the world.)
To: Regulator
the CVR tape only records the last 30 minutes
Just a guess here ... something was recorded in the last 30 minutes they didn't want for prosperity so they flew on for enough time to record over the last 30 minutes
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posted on
10/30/2009 4:44:12 PM PDT
by
Elle Bee
To: Regulator
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posted on
10/30/2009 4:48:40 PM PDT
by
Grammy
(The Lord is the Alpha and Omega. ObamaA has it backwards.)
To: Mark was here
I’d sure-as-hell ask for a thousand extra frequent flyer miles.
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posted on
10/30/2009 4:51:42 PM PDT
by
Erasmus
(So, people call me a smartass. "I'm not smart," I protest.)
To: Grammy
CVR == Cockpit Vice Recorder (uh, in this case).
≤}B^)
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posted on
10/30/2009 4:53:03 PM PDT
by
Erasmus
(So, people call me a smartass. "I'm not smart," I protest.)
To: La Enchiladita
I’ve despised the unions since I was 16 and working at the GEMCO gas station. We used to sell additives, like Wynn’s and Blendzoil. We got “spiffs” from the sales reps for each can we sold, and there was a tab inside the can to redeem it with. The union said we had to report those little .10-.35 cent spiffs. Our dues were based on our hourly earnings.
I chucked that job and made five times as much riding the walls of death at the LA County fair with my Hodaka Combat Wombat. LOL
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posted on
10/30/2009 5:05:50 PM PDT
by
papasmurf
(RnVjayB5b3UsIDBiYW1hLCB5b3UgcGllY2Ugb2Ygc2hpdCBjb3dhcmQh)
To: Elle Bee
Actually digital CVR's record 4 tracks for 2 hours, not all airplanes have them of course...or so I've read.
But your theory still might hold water, just have to look further back.
I still think they were snoozing.
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posted on
10/30/2009 5:12:52 PM PDT
by
Regulator
(Welcome to Zimbabwe! Now hand over your property....)
To: papasmurf
I had to look that one up.
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posted on
10/30/2009 5:32:21 PM PDT
by
Cicero
(Marcus Tullius)
To: Cicero
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posted on
10/30/2009 6:07:18 PM PDT
by
papasmurf
(RnVjayB5b3UsIDBiYW1hLCB5b3UgcGllY2Ugb2Ygc2hpdCBjb3dhcmQh)
To: La Enchiladita
In this ase, the union is correct. The ASAP voluntary safety reporting program is VITAL to the FAA and to safety. If the union pulls out over this, it will be disasterous.
Also, the union is correct that the FAA's reaction was a clear violation to the ASAP language. It is all political - although stupid, not laws were broken.
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posted on
10/30/2009 6:44:16 PM PDT
by
safisoft
To: aimhigh
A 90 minute overshoot, with ability to contact the pilots, should have resulted in military jets being dispatched to check out the plane. This event shows this country is ripe for another 9/11
Who said anything about a 90 minute overshoot? They overshot by 12 minutes. The 90 minute was without radio contact. Loss of contact happens EVERY day somewhere in the US. Normally, within 15 minutes or so, someone in the FlightDeck figures it out and contact is reestablished. Going 90 minutes is a long time... but it isn't the first time this has happened I promise. These pilots are the sacrificial lambs because the PRESS made a big deal about it.
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posted on
10/30/2009 6:49:20 PM PDT
by
safisoft
To: Erasmus
Thanks. I thought I heard that it only had 30 or 45 minutes on a loop, and therefore was worthless in this case.
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posted on
10/30/2009 8:02:41 PM PDT
by
Grammy
(The Lord is the Alpha and Omega. ObamaA has it backwards.)
To: Erasmus
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posted on
10/31/2009 12:21:41 PM PDT
by
La Enchiladita
(Yes, it IS the end of the world.)
To: safisoft; aimhigh
And there is the possibility not all pilots are as honorable as you are, or as you would like to believe. I’m not sure this is merely a media cook-up as you allege since the FAA has revoked their licenses. And you’re right, 90 minutes is a LOT longer than 15. No thanks to ever having these guys in a cockpit again.
Of course, the FAA isn’t all that the public thinks they are either.
Another strange thing: the NTSB, who are doing the investigation, reportedly declined to seize the pilots’ laptops. Is that another coup for the union?
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posted on
10/31/2009 12:31:25 PM PDT
by
La Enchiladita
(Yes, it IS the end of the world.)
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