Peggy, Peggy, Peggy...
I still have no use for you.
Posted on 10/30/2009 9:30:47 PM PDT by Steelfish
Re: allies
CharacterCounts andd reformedliberal.
Often on Free Republic I see glowing posts of admiration for Beck, Rush, Hannity, and the other radio and TV talk show beauties. Yes, Noonan and other prominent conservatives in the media can be useful allies. Some are even doing some extraordinary work...BUT...we should exercise caution.
Remember, please, that few of the loudest and most prominent conservative spokesmen have done the following:
** Covered Obama’s eligibility
** Very few cover the bullying done by the homosexual lobby
** Few cover the problem of having government schools that are fundamentally socialistic institutions, and only superficially report school outrages when they are too egregious to ignore.
** Few properly identify the dry rot infecting our nation as Marxism, and most persistently mislead their listeners ( and readers) by using the terms “liberal” or “radical leftist”. They make these enemies of freedom seem as non-threatening as a Norwegian.
And...No..A few jokes is **not** covering an issue.
These people are self-interested **entertainers** and we must always remember that. When tyranny looms these guys and gals will use their prodigious talents to spit shine the jack boots on our necks.
So...Yeah!...I agree with reformed liberal. We do need and should use every ally we can get,...BUT...We should exercise caution. True patriots will emerge but it won't be from the ranks of our talk show loud mouths. And....people like Noonan will likely offer her services as a paid propagandist for our oppressors.
Didn’t hear Rush’s comments but he is right.
Peggy Noonan was once a great writer.
Peggy, Peggy, Peggy...
I still have no use for you.
Waaaaah waaaaaah. Don’t blame me; I voted for Palin!
“The experts missed the crash.”
I think the ‘experts’ were warning of the crash, but you had to look at alternative media to find such articles.
When she's not swoonin, Noonan's croonin'--
I am so sick of Peggy. I wish we could vote our erstwhile pundits out of "office."
Just the Keynesians who are still in the White House. They were wrong in the 1930s and are wrong today. They turned a recession into the Great Depression.Not Peter Schiff and the Austrian School of Economics.
I agree with you both. However, if we only accept people with *pure* resumes, we will remain a minority, isolated and marginalized.
The changes we seek are going to be slow, perhaps agonizingly so. Each inch a former liberal or RINO travels towards conservatism will be full of their personal experiences and personal sense of betrayal. I know that is how it was for me.
It is asking a lot to expect anyone to turn totally on their friends and families. That is the dilemma for many liberals and RINOs who are not totalitarians and who, if they took time to really examine their beliefs, are really Classical Liberals. We need the entertainers and the journalists who can still get space in the SRM. I don’t expect everyone to become a martyr. Some will be very helpful just because they are not yet demonized. I know the Left. They will ask more and more of everyone they assume agrees with them and at some point, they will ask too much.
So, trust, but verify and meanwhile, accept their efforts for whatever good can be acomplished.
The final few feet will be over social issues, including education, and will come at the very end of the journey, if not sometime into or even after the crossover.
The aspect of social conservatism that finally impressed me the most was my personal interactions with committed Christians. Not one was a Church Lady. One, in particular, has a highly colorful vocabulary and a combative persona on many issues, yet, I have no doubt of her faith walk and she left me comfortable enough that I could broach these issues with her and get honest, thoughtful and compassionate responses.
OTOH, my interactions with liberals who are Christians left me wondering at their real beliefs and over the years they have proven to be what I call *Convenient Christians*. So, I learned to trust my gut on this issue as well as all the others in my life that demanded discernment.
As the totalitarians prove themselves to be relentless to even those who want to accept them, more and more of the people “who want to be good” will appear and they will be catalysts for the change in other reflexive liberals or liberal Republicans.
One can withhold acceptance in order to be true to one’s own values, but the journey will be faster if we can be content with incremental change from others formerly arrayed against us. Exercise discernment, but don’t let it keep anyone totally outside the fold. I was an unlikely conservative just 20 years ago. I recognize that I am not unique and there are millions out there who will support us, even if they harbor some differences on individual issues.
Re your post 38, I think that you have some good insights about the developing situation. It would be interesting if we can eventually see some surveys that show not only distrust but a developing hostility among the urban upper crust towards this Administration and this Congress.
And yes, we need all the allies we can get.
We’re Governed by Callous and clueless Children. It fitted both the DNC & RNC rather well until Hoffman, NY-23, made the RNC wake up.
bfl
The people we are talking about will most likely make their feelings known in more direct ways than surveys, IMO. They facilitated all of this. They have the means to bring it down.
Watch for changes in the opinion media, for one thing. I wonder if we will begin to see themes of discontent, even anger, in entertainment media. There are always rebellious artists, too, and many of these are supported by family money. I expect some of these to begin manifesting any prevalent emotions they find around them.
We all know Noonan’s career path. Think about all the comfortable people she knows and works with. That is likely why she supported zerO, because everyone she knew was supporting him and they managed to reassure her and themselves. If she is writing about people being disheartened, voicing fear that things cannot be made better and seeing the administration and perhaps Congress as callous children, the images are not being called up out of nothing. Something real is happening, IMO.
To hazard yet another guess (I no longer really know any of those people), the reason these people feel as they do is that they haven’t yet been able to even imagine not supporting either the Democrat party or individual socially liberal Republicans. If that is the default choice, then they are right: nothing can be fixed if one can only choose Democrats or RINOs for the job. But, there IS a rising theme of support for Independents. That could be part of what Noonan is experiencing and writing about. If individual candidates begin to see financial support and the parties begin to report lower donations, that would be points in favor of this conjecture.
Yes, Peggy. Marxists do tend to be a bit callous.
A history book or two will help you fill in the details.
Bump for Sunday afternoon reading.
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