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Scozzafava Endorses Democrat After Dropping Out of N.Y. Congressional Race
Fox News ^ | 11/01/09

Posted on 11/01/2009 11:45:14 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines

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To: bamahead
And I must clarify - no person who believes in anything resembling small or big ‘L’ libertarianism would ever join this Rat party

There are millions of Democrats who are more conservative than most GOP officeholders.

621 posted on 11/02/2009 11:19:39 AM PST by Jim Noble (We Are Traveling in the Footsteps of Those Who've Come Before)
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To: Jim Noble
"Only if Hoffman wins."

Nah. The witch wasn't going to win anyway. Check out this Post article. Big victory for conservatives and America.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/31/AR2009103102219.html?hpid=topnews
622 posted on 11/02/2009 11:22:15 AM PST by DRey
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To: DoughtyOne
I knew about it long before Sarah jumped in.

And what did YOU do about it?

Her endorsement made that election known to voters countrywide. And THAT is what made the difference.

No one can give support if we don't know about it. Something the GOP should have been doing - but they had the dog in the race and didn't want interference. So conservatives everywhere endorsed Doug and at the same time exposed the deceitfulness of the GOP to it's voters..

Like it or not, it was a double home run for Sarah.
623 posted on 11/02/2009 11:52:42 AM PST by presently no screen name ( Go Sarah, Go Doug)
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To: presently no screen name
When folks support people, they seek to foster the idea that anything that happens is due to their candidate's involvement. In this instance I think Palin’s comments were helpful.

The word was out on Hoffman vs Scozzafava. I'm glad to have Palin’s comments made public, but I do not think she made all the difference. To say that is to dismiss everyone who had flocked to Hoffman prior to or since her comments, as if they wouldn't have done it without her.

That isn't true. Did she bring in more people? I believe so, but not to the point you're trying to make it out to be.

624 posted on 11/02/2009 11:59:55 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Unseal the lock box containing every document pertaining to Obama's life, TODAY!)
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To: bamahead; rabscuttle385
Expand what specifically? Dope Is illegal, Perversion "homo marriage" and queer school curriculum enforced by appointed sodomite commie czars was never legal until the rats and their libertarian moderate enablers made it so... pornographer was never legal much less considered a first amendment right "free speech" until the rats and their libertarian moderate enablers made it so... Flag desecration... Same BS... You guys are pathetic.. you support the came core ideals as the rats.... Doped up and whored out to pornographers while sodomizing and aborting ourselves out of existence is no Conservative ideology.

Rabs, You need to stop reading everything McMaverick and his slut daughter advocate, looks like some of it is starting to rub off on you...

625 posted on 11/02/2009 12:47:19 PM PST by DirtyHarryY2K (The Tree of Liberty is long overdue for its natural manure)
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To: DirtyHarryY2K; bamahead
Dope Is illegal

And so was alcohol, on the Federal level, at one point in time.

Perversion "homo marriage"

The only reason "homosexual marriage" is even an issue is because Government started regulating marriage.

queer school curriculum enforced by appointed sodomite commie czars

The only reason such a curriculum is even an issue is because of a thing called "public education"!

pornographer...Flag desecration...

Did you actually read what I said at post 618?

What you call "perversions" are merely symptoms of a generalized moral degradation within American society, and the only way that their common root cause can be remedied is through a genuine, full-on transformation of American society through a revitalization of the Church and the family. Passing more legislation does absolutely nothing to address this root cause, as an immoral people will disregard laws in which they, on the whole, have no confidence or faith, and as such, the only means of enforcing said laws is through a forceful, coercive "nanny state" that is wholly incompatible with every notion of freedom and liberty out there. In fact, given the propensity of our present Government to enact policies that achieve the opposite of what is intended (a thing called "unintended consequences" or "blowback"), creating a bigger and more powerful Government--particularly at the Federal level--fails to return American to its traditional, foundational values and in fact creates more opportunities for leftists, "progressives" (a misnomer), and statists to hijack and steer American society into even more deviancy and depravity.

I want a free and a moral society, not just one that is one or the other. Don't think that I am endorsing libertine behavior, but I am endorsing the right of the individual to make that choice and, as such, to suffer the consequences of such a choice. You have the freedom to succeed and the freedom to fail; it's your choice as to which one you make, and it's your responsibility to reap what you sow. Creating a nanny state that tries to steer everyone to certain types of pre-defined outcomes, no matter whether those outcomes are "good" or "bad" (terms that can mean different things to different people), however, violates the premise that we must have a free society and rests upon the presumption that one person knows better than another.

And if you think that any of the above words are McCainian in origin, you've got issues!

626 posted on 11/02/2009 1:11:19 PM PST by rabscuttle385 (http://restoretheconstitution.ning.com/)
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To: rabscuttle385

ALL OF the ideals are liberal leftist in origin and fully backed and enabled by libertarians and moderates. Only one generation back from me, My mother and father both attended school the same place they attended church, They, as I prayed in school in the sixties. I’ve watched this leftist trash evolve personally.

Without liberals and libertarians there would be none of this filth and disgusting ideals foist onto the populace as “liberty”.. That is a solid fact. Spin it however you want to, still wont change the facts.


627 posted on 11/02/2009 1:21:14 PM PST by DirtyHarryY2K (The Tree of Liberty is long overdue for its natural manure)
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To: DirtyHarryY2K; bamahead
Only one generation back from me, My mother and father both attended school the same place they attended church, They, as I prayed in school in the sixties.

And if I and many other small-l libertarians had our way, there would be no property taxes to pay to support public education for your family...so you could, if you wish, send your children to a school affiliated with your Church where they could do just that: pray in school.

628 posted on 11/02/2009 1:27:28 PM PST by rabscuttle385 (http://restoretheconstitution.ning.com/)
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To: rabscuttle385

>>And if I and many other small-l libertarians had our way, there would be no property taxes to pay to support public education for your family...so you could, if you wish, send your children to a school affiliated with your Church where they could do just that: pray in school. <<

That isn’t “libertarian” ideology, Its a basic core Conservative plank..


629 posted on 11/02/2009 1:32:13 PM PST by DirtyHarryY2K (The Tree of Liberty is long overdue for its natural manure)
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To: DirtyHarryY2K; bamahead
That isn’t “libertarian” ideology, Its a basic core Conservative plank..

And yet conservatives lined up behind Bush, who enacted "No Child Left Behind"--which ran counter to this "conservative plank."

630 posted on 11/02/2009 1:37:43 PM PST by rabscuttle385 (http://restoretheconstitution.ning.com/)
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To: Mojave
Doug pledged to support her...

Haven't got a copy of the "pledge?" Nope. Just numerous biased witnesses and second-hand sources to his pledging to support the nominee.


631 posted on 11/02/2009 1:42:40 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: rabscuttle385

No Conservative within at least 3 or 4 hundred miles of me here in Texas support very much of what the “bushes” “moderate” advocated. Only reason I’ve ever voted for Bush was the “RINO” was better than the alternative... You know me, I am sick to death of voting for the lesser of the two evils..

I’m so sick of it in fact I’ll never cast another vote for a liberal wolf in conservative clothes. I’m of the mind that we’ll have to let the stupidity of liberals moderates and libertarians run its course and watch this country crash and burn, then we Conservatives can clean up the mess and start over.


632 posted on 11/02/2009 1:48:09 PM PST by DirtyHarryY2K (The Tree of Liberty is long overdue for its natural manure)
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To: rabscuttle385; DirtyHarryY2K
Oh wait, in a nanny state, the Government defines what constitutes "perversion."

Nailed it. Once the power is handed over to the state to define what is, and what is not 'moral', from a political perspective, all bets are off.

If you are willing to allow the state to dictate morals, then you can't rightly be upset when they start dictating a set of morals that are not part of your fabric, if you argued that government reserves this right to begin with.

Better to establish laws that are CONSTITUTIONAL. A moral people will gladly get behind a set of laws that they feel are, at the core, morally based in limited power over the individual.

This all of course, depends on the unfettering belief that the individual is responsible for the entire consequence of his actions, and noone else. A belief held by neither liberals, nor SoCons, unfortunately.

The result Harry described, which we have today, is a direct result of government having been given an extra-constitutional moral authority to begin with.
633 posted on 11/02/2009 2:11:08 PM PST by bamahead (Avoid self-righteousness like the devil- nothing is so self-blinding. -- B.H. Liddell Hart)
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To: Petronski
You're in full cheerleader mode.

GOP leaders were outraged, especially since Mr. Hoffman, like other congressional hopefuls, had pledged to support the nominee. "He did say it repeatedly," said Sandra Corey, the former GOP chairwoman of Jefferson County. "And then all of a sudden, it's a no-go, like he hadn't understood her background, which is a falsehood. I would never, ever trust him."

Mr. Hoffman says that during the selection process, he didn't realize that Ms. Scozzafava was as liberal as she is.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125564976279388879.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

Naturally, the excuse Hoffman offered for violating his pledge was false.
James T. Ellis, the state Republican Party's regional vice chairman for nine of the 11 counties in the 23rd District, organized the four meetings where the candidates made their case for the nomination. Mr. Ellis said Mr. Hoffman would "certainly" have known Ms. Scozzafava's positions on social and fiscal issues after the four meetings together.

"He heard as much as I heard," the vice chairman said.

There also were dozens of accounts in newspapers, on television and on the Internet detailing Ms. Scozzafava's opinion on issues on which the two rivals disagree, such as abortion rights and gay marriage.

http://watertowndailytimes.com/article/20090929/NEWS03/309299944


634 posted on 11/02/2009 3:31:39 PM PST by Mojave (Ignorant and stoned - Obama's natural constituency.)
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To: Petronski

“Mr. Hoffman says that during the selection process, he didn’t realize that Ms. Scozzafava was as liberal as she is.”

That excuse collapsed at a touch.


636 posted on 11/02/2009 5:50:17 PM PST by Mojave (Ignorant and stoned - Obama's natural constituency.)
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To: Theodore R.

I haven’t switched yet.

However, I am tired of voting against candidates. The Republican party does not represent my views anymore. The are only marginally better than the Democrats. I am going to start voting for the candidate I like best and the chips can fall where they may.

John McCain. That’s the best they could do last election. Versus Romney. Not much of a choice in the primaries.


637 posted on 11/02/2009 6:00:09 PM PST by CriticalJ
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To: Mojave
That excuse collapsed at a touch.

Your credibility collapsed in a fantastic implosion of paper mache and latex.

638 posted on 11/03/2009 5:33:27 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: DirtyHarryY2K
libertarians not unlike Rinos (liberals/libertarians in republican clothing) and leftists all enthusiastically support dope legalization, pornography, perversion, abortion, flag burning/desecration, that is a fact. libertarians just support it in the name of "liberty" like that's a legitimate excuse.

I see you like to make up "facts"....like twisting Zapata's words and putting them into George Washington's mouth.

Also sad that youcan't see the difference between supporting something and supporting the right to something.

639 posted on 11/05/2009 3:37:42 AM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Gondring

Another leftist libertarian brainfart..

yawn.....

run along and smoke your dope and sodomize yourself out of existence..


640 posted on 11/05/2009 4:43:22 AM PST by DirtyHarryY2K (The Tree of Liberty is long overdue for its natural manure)
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