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Fort Hood shooting: inside story of how massacre on military base happened
Daily Telegraph (UK) ^ | 11/7/2009 | Philip Sherwell and Nick Allen

Posted on 11/07/2009 6:25:39 PM PST by 1066AD

Tuesday 4pm

It may have been the first, small clue that an apparently ordinary week at the world's largest army base was about to become something horrifically different, when neighbours saw Major Nidal Hasan escorting a visitor into his flat.

Other residents at the Casa del Norte apartment complex were surprised to see the mild-mannered army officer accompanied by another man in Islamic dress.

Alice Thompson, 53, who manages the two storey block of simple dwellings with her husband John, told The Sunday Telegraph: "It was very unusual because he had never had anyone round before. His visitor had long black hair and a moustache and a dark complexion. He stayed about five minutes and then left. We'd never seen him before."

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: forthood; forthoodarchive; fthood; hasan; hassan; jihad; nidalmalikhasan
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Doctors say they are still fighting to save the injured Sgt Munley from a lifetime in a wheelchair.

I hope this is not true, for her or any of the other victims.

Several other relevant articles on the website.

1 posted on 11/07/2009 6:25:40 PM PST by 1066AD
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To: 1066AD

Have any articles discussed personal firearms carry on bases.


2 posted on 11/07/2009 6:28:59 PM PST by Flavius
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To: 1066AD

All news to Americans is from the UK, Pravda, and the
Internet.

The American MSM is bonded to the Enemies of America.

Strange world we live in.


3 posted on 11/07/2009 6:29:58 PM PST by Diogenesis ("Those who go below the surface do so at their peril" - Oscar Wilde)
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To: Flavius

Not that I’ve seen.


4 posted on 11/07/2009 6:32:09 PM PST by 1066AD
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To: 1066AD

The government has already began to cover up this horror - they are claiming it wasn’t a terror ‘plot’. Of course not; it was the lone act of a Muslim terrorist!


5 posted on 11/07/2009 6:32:25 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: All

This anonymous visitor is very suspicious. Could this have been his handler who told him “now is the time”?

He paid months in advance. Is it possible he knew that far in advance that the deployment would be scheduled for around this time?


6 posted on 11/07/2009 6:34:05 PM PST by uncitizen (I'm mad as hell and i'm not gonna take it anymore!!)
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To: Diogenesis

Now that is a true statement. Don’t forget CFP.


7 posted on 11/07/2009 6:36:05 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spirito Sancto.)
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To: 1066AD

I wonder if the Muzzie visitor is the source of the revolver and all the extra clips of ammo.


8 posted on 11/07/2009 6:36:05 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: Diogenesis
I suppose it's possible "American" news outlets will mention the magical mystery muslim meeting Malik Monday Morning...
9 posted on 11/07/2009 6:36:44 PM PST by null and void (We are now in day 290 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: 1066AD

This article is by far more detailed and, I would judge, more accurate than ANYTHING published in the American press.


10 posted on 11/07/2009 6:40:13 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: SatinDoll

BHO said it was a “horrific act of violence” - which sounds to me as a much tamer statement than saying it was either part of a terror plot or even the lone act of a Muslim terrorist.

Any murder or other major crime could well be described as a “horrofic act of violence.” It more or less indicates that it was “just another day” as is becoming so usual in American daily life.


11 posted on 11/07/2009 6:40:46 PM PST by T Baden
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To: 1066AD

Not shocked


12 posted on 11/07/2009 6:41:27 PM PST by Flavius
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To: T Baden

The most telling, single event in the aftermath of this attack was the length of time between when it was reported and when Fort Hood authorities held a press conference. The base commandant was being lectured about WHAT could and couldn’t be said.

The FBI, Homeland Security, and the Pentagon - all had Major Hasan on their radar as a security risk. The only person who thwarted the Major being put on the inactive duty roster was President Obama.

Today the people are being told this wasn’t a terrorist plot. That is a lie and it comes from the White House.


13 posted on 11/07/2009 6:49:03 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: 1066AD

Once again, we have to rely on British news sources for the actual news. While our news media feeds us whatever drivel fits their agendas. Now I know what people in the Soviet Union felt like.


14 posted on 11/07/2009 6:49:44 PM PST by popdonnelly (Yes, we disagree - no, we won't shut up - no, we won't quit.)
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To: Cicero

I heard the report of the brief visitor on CNN last night.

I read an article earlier today about a young Muslim convert he was mentoring. It said they dropped by his apartment a couple of times just to pick something up.

I wondered if perhaps that young man was the visitor just before the attacks. But this description doesn’t seem to fit...that young man was an American.

Very curious.


15 posted on 11/07/2009 6:50:53 PM PST by Timeout (Brits have the royals. Russia, the Nomenklatura. WE have our privileged "public servant" class.)
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To: null and void

“I suppose it’s possible “American” news outlets will mention the magical mystery muslim meeting Malik Monday Morning...”

Would you care to bet on that? I’ll give you odds.


16 posted on 11/07/2009 6:51:24 PM PST by popdonnelly (Yes, we disagree - no, we won't shut up - no, we won't quit.)
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To: 1066AD

Interesting


17 posted on 11/07/2009 6:51:24 PM PST by expatpat
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To: SatinDoll
The only person who thwarted the Major being put on the inactive duty roster was President Obama.

Do you a link or pointer to some source for this statement?
18 posted on 11/07/2009 6:52:28 PM PST by JLS
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To: JLS

oh gosh, let’s not “rush to any conclusions”...


19 posted on 11/07/2009 6:54:19 PM PST by mynameisjohngalt
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To: 1066AD

Best media description I’ve seen yet. Timeline on what the terrorist did and how he was dressed, who he talked to etc.


20 posted on 11/07/2009 6:58:42 PM PST by tinamina
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To: Flavius

Anyone who lives on base can have a personal firearm. If you live in the barracks, enlisted or officers quarters etc your gun is kept in an armory where you check it in and out similar to your military weapon. If you live in housing on base you can keep your personal weapon(s) with you.

As far as driving on or off base and bringing a weapon in it’s hit or miss. If you happen to be the one pulled over for an inspection with a weapon then you better have a good reason.


21 posted on 11/07/2009 7:00:43 PM PST by maddog55 (The enemy is domestic and it's the government.)
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To: Cicero

Note also that the London paper isn’t afraid to use the word “Islamic”, and in the 2nd paragraph to boot.


22 posted on 11/07/2009 7:01:22 PM PST by bigbob
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To: null and void

In all fairness to CNN, I did hear about the mysterious Muslim last night on Anderson Cooper.


23 posted on 11/07/2009 7:01:49 PM PST by keepitreal ( Don't tread on me.)
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To: 1066AD
That is some terrific writing. It's the best written article I have read in a long time, full of information, methodically laid out.

OMG I almost forgot, that's what a real journalist does.

24 posted on 11/07/2009 7:06:38 PM PST by McGavin999
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To: 1066AD

This account is probably similar to that Beslan school hostage situation from Sept. 2004.
I am afraid that this is the future of a coordinated attack in American cities, malls, schools, and many churches. I pray that I am wrong, but I am of course prepared in the event that I am caught in the middle.


25 posted on 11/07/2009 7:09:24 PM PST by George from New England (escaped CT 2006; now living north of Tampa Bay)
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To: 1066AD
President Barack Obama uses his weekly radio address to attempt to rally the nation.

But not before the jackass gave a shout-out to one of his peeps.

Disgusting vermin.


26 posted on 11/07/2009 7:11:40 PM PST by reagan_fanatic (Hope....Change...Food Stamps!)
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To: maddog55

Well what better reason would you want


27 posted on 11/07/2009 7:12:22 PM PST by Flavius
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To: 1066AD

Let me post this question?

Why was a pregnant person being deployed to a war zone? One of the dead or injured was pregnant from what I read.


28 posted on 11/07/2009 7:15:40 PM PST by George from New England (escaped CT 2006; now living north of Tampa Bay)
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To: George from New England

George,

From what I understand she found out she was pregnant while deployed and had just returned home. She was in the center that day to change her status due to her pregnancy.


29 posted on 11/07/2009 7:17:09 PM PST by keepitreal ( Don't tread on me.)
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To: George from New England

She was returning from the war zone pregnant.

SZ


30 posted on 11/07/2009 7:17:26 PM PST by SZonian (Phillies Phan in SoCal (still laying low from the Doyers fans))
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To: JLS

I don’t need no stinking link. The facts speak for themselves.

Hasan was known to this administration. His actions and opinions had attracted the attention of those he worked with, who reported him to the FBI, Homeland Security, and to the Pentagon. And did they do anything? No. Major Hasan had worked on the transition team for Obama’s Presedential administration, so he was known to officials if not the President himself. He had received lousy scores duing his last performance review, but was promoted to Major anyway, an action Presidents are involved in.

Hasan planned an act of terrorism. He condemned our right to protect ourselves from our enemies, who are radical Islamists. He calmly targeted unarmed people, executing them BECAUSE they were not Muslim.

This White House frequently intervenes on the part of radical blacks and Muslims: if you haven’t been following that information there is nothing I’m going to do to help you.

WHO controls the DoD, Homeland Security, and the Justice Department? Cabinet Secretaries, answerable to only to POTUS.

Those Department Secretaries do what the President wants; they serve at his discretion.

So the fix is in, the press conference was stalled so the message could be spun and Muslims protected by deflecting the truth - that this was an act of terrorism by an American-born Muslim.

I don’t doubt for a moment that this Administration is controlling the message. And if you believe the lie that Obama is a dedicated Christian because he claims he is, then you have a bigger problem than my telling you to seriously rethink what has happened the last two days.


31 posted on 11/07/2009 7:19:16 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: 1066AD

We truly do get the best print news on our own country out of Britain now.

OK, if Al Qaeda trained a handful of men to come here, infiltrate over months into an army base, and then go nuts one day and shoot up a room, and then they kill 6 innocents, is that a terror attack?

What if ONE man who had never met Osama bin Laden but felt as he did went in and shot up 13 people while crying Allahu Akbar? Is that not a terror attack?


32 posted on 11/07/2009 7:21:06 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: 1066AD

Wow got more info from one UK Paper than all the msm in U.S. combined.


33 posted on 11/07/2009 7:27:20 PM PST by Marty62 (former Marty60)
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To: Diogenesis
All news to Americans is from the UK, Pravda, and the Internet. The American MSM is bonded to the Enemies of America.

You're right, Diogenesis.

34 posted on 11/07/2009 7:43:12 PM PST by GOPJ (There's NO condemnation of this bastard in the M uslim S ympathizing M edia - MestaMachine)
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To: 1066AD

She took a round through the femoral artery, and almost bled to death. There is a nerve bundle next to the femoral artery, high up on the leg. If that is destroyed, she may not walk again without huge pain.

And the bullet, which is an extremely high velocity bullet,like a rifle bullet in velocity ( 1800-1900 fps), may have shattered bones.

I pray she recovers completely, but her wounds are terrible to her legs. One round went through both of her legs.


35 posted on 11/07/2009 7:43:33 PM PST by Candor7 (The effective weapons Against Fascism are ridicule, derision, and truth (.Member NRA)
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To: keepitreal

Oh? Good for AC and CNN!


36 posted on 11/07/2009 7:58:20 PM PST by null and void (We are now in day 290 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: 1066AD

Good article, thank you for posting it.

I noticed several things: particularly the 5.7 FN rounds being referred to as “cop killer” rounds; in conjunction that the “over 100 rounds” and “five or six magazines” leads me to believe that the non-revolver gun was the FN FiveSeveN handgun and not the P-90/PS-90. {I have a fondness for the PS-90.}

The “cop-killer” round {steel cored} is unavailable to civilians; restricted to military & law-enforcement. (Unless the media is referring to the rifle-powered-round in a handgun definition; I hate that the term is so loosely defined.) I also wonder if this is going to drive that round’s caliber completely off the market due to a push from the gun-control crowd.

Which brings me to the final point. The military is, oddly enough, the leftist’s dream: your food, shelter, and medical-care are provide for by the government; further, your right to bear arms is heavily under the subordination of your command. {Look at the statement about private firearms and keeping them in the armory; a requirement on some bases.} Private firearms can also be verboten, as I recall hearing ad infinitum on my train-up at Ft. Dix as I prepared to go to Iraq.

The real lesson here is the one that, in all likelihood, won’t be adopted: The Army slogan/catch-phrase “Train as you fight.” When in Kuwait or Iraq you never went anywhere w/o your weapon; chow-hall, toilet, medical, finance... the only place you didn’t take it was the shower (for obvious maintenance reasons).


37 posted on 11/07/2009 8:00:18 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: 1066AD; Jeff Head; sergeantdave; Blogger; murphE; Paleo Conservative; It's me; devolve; ...
Other residents at the Casa del Norte apartment complex were surprised to see the mild-mannered army officer accompanied by another man in Islamic dress.

Ping

38 posted on 11/07/2009 8:07:00 PM PST by GOPJ (There's NO condemnation of this bastard in the M uslim S ympathizing M edia - MestaMachine)
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To: 1066AD
I find it very odd that a Major, doctor or not, would live in such a "low rent" apartment, on the "not so nice" end of town. The BOQ would have been nicer, and there are plenty of nice apartments, duplexes and rental houses in town.

Lived in a nice duplex myself while my (very modest) house was being built, a few years ago.

There is also a Muslim neighborhood near the Mosque, which is in the city but a sort of separate area with not much around it. It has nice houses and I think some duplexes as well.

39 posted on 11/07/2009 8:12:16 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: SZonian
She was returning from the war zone pregnant.

But apparently got that way while on "Mid" deployment R&R leave in Chicago.

40 posted on 11/07/2009 8:13:42 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: SatinDoll
Today the people are being told this wasn’t a terrorist plot.

That never seen before visitor, along with the early purchase of the FN 5.7, would seem to convert this from a case of "sudden Jihad syndrome" by a lone Muslim, to a terrorist conspiracy. Not for certain yet, but it's heading that way.

41 posted on 11/07/2009 8:16:58 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: smoothsailing
I wonder if the Muzzie visitor is the source of the revolver and all the extra clips of ammo.

Maybe, but the ammo and magazines could be ordered online. From any number of sources. Sportsman's Guide (ammo) or DM Firearms (magazines), just for example.

42 posted on 11/07/2009 8:28:47 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: tinamina

And EVERY description of him is calm cool collected. Lots of premeditation ( giving stuff away, saying good bye, emptying his apartment). This all paints the picture of a cold premeditated murderer. Not some stressed out guy who cracked. It all points where the MSM doesn’t want to go, to a premeditated Jihadi homicide mission.


43 posted on 11/07/2009 8:28:47 PM PST by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Reqiescat in Pace)
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To: smoothsailing
I wonder if the Muzzie visitor is the source of the revolver and all the extra clips of ammo.

Maybe, but the ammo and magazines could be ordered online. From any number of sources. Sportsman's Guide (ammo) or DM Firearms (magazines), just for example.

44 posted on 11/07/2009 8:28:54 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: 1066AD

Excellent article ~ thanks for posting it.

I do hope Sgt. Munley doesn’t spend life in a wheelchair. She made a huge sacrifice already and could have been killed and she has a young daughter....


45 posted on 11/07/2009 9:19:23 PM PST by leapfrog0202
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To: SatinDoll

Of course you need a link or to admit it is your deduction or conjecture.

All that you said is correct as to who answers to whom in the US government, what you need a link for is that the Army wanted to do anything with the major other than ignor his bad behavior. You also need a link to show that the Obama administration knew they Army wanted to do anything to this guy.

Now if you had said the Obama administration would have proetected the major if they knew the army wanted to do something to him or if said the army did not act against the major for fear of offending their weak PC bosses, I might view that as interesting specutlation. But when you say something is factual, you need a link.


46 posted on 11/07/2009 9:42:24 PM PST by JLS
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To: 1066AD
Why is this the only report of the “visitor”? I hope the investigating personnel are on to this one, too. This may be the “second” shooter “on the hill”, so to speak and not really suggesting that he was pulling a trigger or the like but possibly a sign of a conspiracy with this dreadful act of “one man”!
47 posted on 11/08/2009 3:35:39 AM PST by jws3sticks (Sarah Palin forever!)
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To: LucyT

Ping


48 posted on 11/08/2009 4:33:05 AM PST by Jet Jaguar (A mob of one.)
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To: 1066AD

BTTT.


49 posted on 11/08/2009 6:39:35 AM PST by mewzilla (Voter fraud is treason.)
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To: mewzilla

Who was Hasan’s visitor...


50 posted on 11/08/2009 6:40:21 AM PST by mewzilla (Voter fraud is treason.)
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