House makes deal on abortion

NY Post ^ | November 8, 2009 | GEOFF EARLE

[Scanian]

That goes to show that the pubbies care more about how their voting records are perceived in their right-leaning districts than about what is actually happening to the country.

[RoadTest]

“They aren’t even pretending to be journalists anymore. Work the Democrats slogan right into the 1st sentence of their “news” article.”

I’ve been noticing that. Everything in ythe media is framed in the Left’s made-up euphemisms for their unconstitutional crimes.

[org.whodat]

Republicans are stupid. They could have defeated the health care bill by not supporting that amendment.

Correct, and the people who claimed they had to vote for it were even worse. They were so damn dumb as not to think, there would not be 4,000 exceptions are clauses inserted in committee to make the abortion prevention loop hole land, if the senate approves a bill with it in.

[org.whodat]

Of if she wasn’t absolutely certain they would get it overturned by the Supreme Court under the 4th Amendment or something ?

You can bet the ranch, that somewhere on some line there will be an exception clause big enough to drive a train through.

[zipper]

I think many, if not all of the Blue Dogs are LIARS anyway. Nancy let them vote the way they did (39 against) because she didn't need the votes anyway.

You really think Pelosi would have allowed this Pro-Life amendment if she did not absolutely have to have it???? Bull$#)*

It's a small concession given the stakes overall. Besides, "...except in cases of incest, rape or when the life of the mother was in danger" is a HUGE loophole -- just wait til that is 'defined' in reconciliation, if it even survives.

[TheRake]

As a catholic, I am confused and frankly upset that the US Conference of Catholic Bishops signed on to this, with the provision of “incest and rape” exclusion in the amendment. Life is life regardless of how it happened. I don’t believe the baby knows the difference.

[A Strict Constructionist]

“but there is a last day judgement when account must be given.”

Let me get this straight. You are willing to give up the Constitution of this Country and move toward a Communist State with complete control over your body and eventually mind because of a fear of Judgment day.

There is another posting on this forum about a group that stopped an abortion clinic because of Prayer and yet we have a large group here that want to stop abortion by political means. Now which group do I think is more effective. I’ll let you guess. I think the passing of the anti-abortion vote was insignificant because the vote will only last until the health bill passes and then it will be changed by our new overlords. Do you remember the take one step back to move two steps forward tactic of the Communist’s. Well you’ve just seen it in action.

When is the political anti-abortion crowd going to realize that they are very similar to the Communists and other groups. Yes, the Communists like Pelosi. You want to control people by forcing them into your way. You can’t seem to convince them of the moral superiority of your position. You are no different than the other side. This is what is causing us to loose our Country. Using these tactics we will never be able to win. You will never find perfect elected officials, they are human. Conservative’s that believe in the Constitution are a winner every time. We don’t have to be in perfect agreement.

If you haven’t figured it out yet, you are acting like the Jews waiting for the NAZI’s to round them up. My moral principles won’t let me fight. They may have been morally superior but they were dead.

Me I vote for Freedom and the ability to convince people of the advantage of being anti-abortion, not the power to force them. Soon we won’t have the freedom to convince them.

That is why I’m a Strict Constructionist. If you truly believe in the Bible then you have to let GOD judge, not become a Judge yourself. If you don’t to stand on the side of Freedom and the Constitution the rest probably won’t matter in the long run.

The abortion purity issue is one of the most brilliant tactical moves the left has come up with to destroy the Republican Party and turn us into the RINO party. It has also become a real winner for the those that forget Matthew 7 and build monuments to their own ego’s. Beware of False Profits some wear the cloth.

Do you think that what is happening could also be the reason that the Founding Fathers built our government on Christian Principles but wanted to avoid the establishment of an Official Religion? I believe that these men were Divinely Blessed. Why should we try to second guess them.

Remember the people that held the Salem Witch trials probably believed that they were the only game in town.

[don-o]

see my post 15

[Mrs. Don-o]

The idea that the Right to Life in inalienable was once held to be self-evident, not a matter of some denomination's distinctive doctrine.

Moreover, abortion was not legalized by a shift in public opnion, let alone by a legislative act or a series of legislative acts based on the popular will. Keep in mind that Roe v Wade overturned state laws in all 50 states (isn'tthat remarkable? 50 out of 50?) Prenatal child-killing was legalized, and has been maintained in "legality", by almost 40 years of raw judicial tyranny.

[A Strict Constructionist]

My point is that reverse tyranny is not going to solve the problem. It has to be done in the minds of the people by teaching and we will not get the chance if we keep throwing out politicians that believe in the Constitution because they are not perceived as “pure” on the abortion issue. The other side doesn’t believe in the Constitution, the Bible or in the Right to Life, whether prenatal or postnatal especially if your not on their good for them list.

We have to get real. Every chance a person gets they should try to teach right from wrong and live by example but I think were going to have to let God do the sorting or this country is gone.

I guess we would have thrown out Churchill, Eisenhower and Patton if we had know their position on abortion. Remember the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

[Mrs. Don-o]

You make some good points. I have not advocated, across the board and without exception, “throwing out politicians that believe in the Constitution because they are not perceived as “pure” on the abortion issue.” It depends on who s/he’s running against.

[A Strict Constructionist]

“It depends on who s/he’s running against.”

I agree if it’s a primary fight. If not we can’t afford to waste a vote for protecting the Constitution. RINO’s not included obviously.

I would also have to put in one caveat. If someone is running whose record on the Constitution is such that they favor immigration “reform” and big government then I will take a strict constructionist over the anti-abortion candidate any day. Without the Constitution we loose everything.