Posted on 11/08/2009 3:47:41 AM PST by Scanian
WASHINGTON -- Last night's historic health-care legislation included a major compromise: a ban on federally funded abortion under a new government-run plan.
Conservative Democrats proposed the amendment, which passed, 240-194, late Friday as a way to break the impasse on the bill. Last night, 64 Democrats joined 176 Republicans in supporting the measure.
"The members on this issue have to be able to vote their conscience," said Rep. Bart Stupak, who proposed the amendment, which bars any woman who receives federal subsidies to help cover insurance costs from having an abortion under the plan.
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When our government votes against the wishes of the majority, they have met the textbook definition of tyranny. They only retain their ability to govern through the consent of the people. They are the ones who have wilfully taken actions to have their consent to govern revoked. By their actions they have made the current government of the United States illegitimate. All revolutions start with a singular point, and this is it.
According to the Declaration of Independence we have a right, as well as an obligation to abolish our government when it becomes destructive. We have the right, and duty, to overthrow the government when a “long train of abuses and usurpations” occurs. I could go on endlessly, listing these abuses, and usurpations, but it is not necessary at this point.
Proverbially, as far as I am concerned, this is the straw that broke the camel’s back. This is my Declaration of Independence, and woe to they whom have crossed the line from governance to monarchy. We are no longer citizens, but subjects, and as such, I demand the current “government’s” surrender and to vacate the seat of our government, or I will consider them to be occupiers, and will act accordingly.
Republicans are stupid. They could have defeated the health care bill by not supporting that amendment.
What frauds.
The Freeper “Political Stategists” are the stupid ones being unable to look at how that vote could be used to give an out to the Blue Dogs to excuse their having voted for this monstrosity.
I think many, if not all of the Blue Dogs are LIARS anyway. Nancy let them vote the way they did (39 against) because she didn't need the votes anyway.
You are assuming Blue Dogs would have shot down this bill because of the abortion provision -- that would have ratcheted up the stakes enough that Nancy wouldn't have allowed it. They would have fallen into line just like all the others, if it were crucial to passage of the bill.
(And you thought YOU were cynical ;) What I'm saying is true though!))
At any rate next year I have resolved to target all the BLUE DOGS since they are most vulnerable and are the least honest about where their sentiments lie.
No way it would have passed. There were a handful of Democrats who said they would not vote for the bill without this amendment. The GOP should have no voted on it.
Let me get this straight - you say that they )Republicans) should vote against their beliefs and principles (pro-life)? I understand a little about the politics, but there is a last day judgement when account must be given.
It’s pretty easy to suggest that other folks violate their own conscience.
Don't get so wedded to your emotion based opinions that you ride a mistaken notion down in flames.
The leader of the blue dogs said he was voting FOR the bill regardless of how the amendment went. This was just posturing to give political cover back home for the blue dogs in 2010
IF the GOP had voted against it, the blue dogs would of still voted for the bill while blaming the GOP for the failure of anti Abortion amendment.
It was a no win position for the GOP.
The GOP got no part in this debate on the health care reform bill. The whole bill goes against the beliefs and principles of the GOP. The GOP should have just refused to vote on the bill or any amendments in protest.
Exactly!
This was stooopid on the part of the Pubes because without a bill, there would have been nuttin to worry about anyway.
Additionally, IF anyone believes this provision won't be added back in, well I've got a nice __________whatever for sale, cheap!!!
I don't discount Stupak's strong beliefs or intentions, but I wonder after first proposed whether this was not seen by the Rats as a way to insure passage and couldn't the Republitards not have realized this???
No Deal: Pro-Life Democrat Still Vowing to Kill Health Care Bill
Thursday, November 05, 2009
By Matt Cover, Staff Writer
Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.), co-chairman of the House Pro-Life Caucus.
(CNSNews.com) - Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) told CNSNews.com on Thursday he has not reached an agreement with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, and therefore he and dozens of pro-life Democrats are still poised to kill the House health care bill.
Stupak has organized a group of about 40 Democrats who are committed to killing the health care bill if Pelosi (D.-Calif.) does not allow them a straight up-or-down vote on an amendment that would prohibit federal dollars from paying for any part of any health insurance plan that covers abortions.
Stupak and his approximately 40 allies plan to vote against the special “rule” that would govern the terms of the House floor debate on the health care bill. If this rule does not win a majority vote, the House cannot proceed to consideration of the bill itself.
Exactamundo!
They should just have walked out en mass and held a news conference on the the Capital Steps explaining that as they were not allowed any voice in the shaping or language of the bill or to offer any amendments, why should they participate in this charade
Then the Rats would have owned it lock, stock and boondoggle.
You really think Pelosi would have allowed this Pro-Life amendment if she did not absolutely have to have it???? Bull$#)*
You’re right (always). I posted in ignorance.
I wouldn’t have voted yea on this amendment in any case. It claimed to be “pro-life,” but it only was pro-life for some, not all, in violation of the principles of equality of all before the law, and the unalienable, God-given right to life of all persons.
And, it was stupid. It gave just enough Congressmen just enough political cover to vote for the final bill.
Unprincipled and stupid. The whole thing made me sick.
“You really think Pelosi would have allowed this Pro-Life amendment if she did not absolutely have to have it????”
Of if she wasn’t absolutely certain they would get it overturned by the Supreme Court under the 4th Amendment or something ?
Exactly. Republicans fell into their trap.
It was a stupid move, and they fell for it.
Not a brain in any of their heads.
You continue, as usual, to be an insulting human being. I wish you would find another forum for your ego.
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