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Welcome to the Clone Farm
Reuters,fda ^ | Fri Nov 13, 2009 | Karl Plume

Posted on 11/14/2009 1:24:16 PM PST by GonzoII

ENID, Oklahoma (Reuters) - To the untrained eye, Pollard Farms looks much like any other cattle ranch. Similar looking cows are huddled in similar looking pens. But some of the cattle here don't just resemble each other. They are literally identical -- clear down to their genes.

Of the 400-some cattle in Barry Pollard's herd of mostly Black Angus cattle there are 22 clones, genetic copies of some of the most productive livestock the world has ever known.

Pollard, a neurosurgeon and owner of Pollard Farms, says such breeding technology is at the forefront of a new era in animal agriculture. "We're trying to stay on the very top of the heap of quality, genetically, with animals that will gain well and fatten well, produce well and reproduce well," Pollard told a reporter during a recent visit to his farm.

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration in 2008 approved the sale of food from clones and their offspring, stating the products are indistinguishable from that of their non-clone counterparts. Japan, the European Union, and others have followed suit.

The moves have stirred controversy about whether tinkering with nature is safe, or even ethical, prompting major food companies to swear off food products from cloned animals. But consumers are likely already eating meat and drinking milk from the offspring of clones, which are technically not clones, without even knowing it.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: cloning; fda

1 posted on 11/14/2009 1:24:17 PM PST by GonzoII
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To: GonzoII

Underwritten by Monsanto, thank you very much.


2 posted on 11/14/2009 2:06:25 PM PST by hkp123
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To: GonzoII
This always gets me. People aren't sure what to think of clones in the food chain. Most don't say much but some think we are trying to remake God himself. What they do not know scares them and their actions demonstrate that they believe if they don't know what the true facts are then no one else could possible know. The people who have developed this science know the facts. You would not ask a seamstress how to weld on the space shuttle you would ask the top metal fabricator on that project. If you want to know what the true facts are you need to ask someone who actually knows. Read the patient information, it is public. Go to the seminars and listen. You still may not like what is going on but do not make those decisions or claims from a position of fear and ignorance.
3 posted on 11/14/2009 2:32:40 PM PST by oldenuff2no (I'm a VET and damn proud of it!!! I did not fight for a socialist America!!!!!!!)
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To: oldenuff2no

What's the big deal with "clowned cattle"? Why it is my business what cattle want to do in their spare time?


4 posted on 11/14/2009 2:48:48 PM PST by The Duke ("Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Democrat Party?")
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To: The Duke

Nice Scottish Highlander you got there.


5 posted on 11/14/2009 3:13:06 PM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: oldenuff2no

It sounds pretty cool, but I have to admit to being a little suspicious of it. No good reason, just a slight uneasy feeling.


6 posted on 11/14/2009 3:14:23 PM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: hkp123; GonzoII; oldenuff2no; The Duke; Scotsman will be Free

Cloning, to me, seems as though it would increase the headaches of inbreeding. The problem as it pertains to livestock breeding is that inbreeding can cause small inherited defects to become monumental weaknesses. It would be even worse if multiples of one individual was cloned and being bred.

Sure, a breeder wants to maintain those desirable aspects of a particular animal, but inbreeding to improve a herd can lead instead to hidden genetic defects or aspects becoming predominant, like malformed hips, faulty heart-valves, etc.

Imagine now how cloning would just multiply that inbreeding problem.

Or could I be wrong? I’m a believer in genetic diversity within a breed as that tends to create healthier individual animals which inbreeding generally does not.


7 posted on 11/14/2009 4:56:03 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: SatinDoll
This is different science than combining dna in a normal breeding situation. There is only one set of dna, no chance of a improper “combining”. The problem with cloning is getting cell division to happen in the proper sequence. The secondary problem is that in some early experiments well into adulthood the animals suddenly aged very quickly. It is almost like the cells wore out faster. It appears that they have got that one figured out now. All this stuff is pure science. No magic and no spirit induced transformations. Within a few years we should be able to grow organs for replacement from your own cells.
8 posted on 11/14/2009 6:51:17 PM PST by oldenuff2no (I'm a VET and damn proud of it!!! I did not fight for a socialist America!!!!!!!)
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To: oldenuff2no

Will they be wearing white armor and march in formation?


9 posted on 11/14/2009 9:55:01 PM PST by ak267
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To: oldenuff2no

I understand the different science, but since you don’t understand what I was try to say, I’ll try again.

By replicating one individual multiple times, genetic diversity within a breed is lessened and the chance of genetic defects increases. So for the purposes of breeding livestock it is detrimental to any attempts at improvement. Those Angus cattle that were cloned, well their owner may have been trying to prove a point, but from the health standpoint of the Angus breed it is a losing proposition.

You spoke of cloning for the purposes of organ replacement. From an ethical standpoint the thought of human cloning is repugnant and I’m surprised you brought it up.


10 posted on 11/14/2009 10:36:52 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: SatinDoll

I’m no genetic scientist, but as I understand it, cloning is making a duplicate of what you have. Inbreeding is when you are using two closely related creatures to create a third, and that’s when you have inherited defects or genetic faults come more to the fore because the offspring is getting the bad genes from both parents.


11 posted on 11/15/2009 2:44:51 AM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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