Posted on 11/18/2009 9:13:37 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
Very good - now if you just read the rest at his website you’ll see explanations for nearly every problem you have just described. Or do only the critics of YEC theory get to bend your ears?
Floods (not global, that is a whole other discussion) and ice ages are all caused by processes we can observe today. You are thinking too narrowly, it isn't the specific event, but the principles that cause the event that is the backbone of uniformitarianism. Uniformitarianism completely allows for and expects catastrophic events.
Keep those goal posts moving as much as you need to keep yourselves comfortably ensconced in your modern day ‘scientific’ theories.
There is no moving goal posts in science. There are no goal posts at all. It isn't a football game, the point is to study, observe, and extrapolate. Just like the study of gravity has gone well beyond what Newton proposed, even beyond Einstein, doesn't mean the goalposts are moving. It simply means knowledge is being acquired.
Laugh all you want, but I’ve yet to read any other credible explanation for the mid-oceanic trench that circumnavigates the globe.
It’s Ok if you don’t want to read the website I referred to in post 19 and Buck W. re-referenced above. I’m fairly certain many others have already begun doing so and ‘ignorance is bliss’ for those who are so heavily invested in consensus science so have a good day. ttfn.
Please draw no conclusions regarding the intelligence, creativity, or reasoning capability of Christians from the content of this post and others like it on this thread. We are not all this stupid.
Sorry, but you can’t bend Physics to your will. My ears and eyes are very open, and it is due to that that I and most everyone else, creationists included reject this theory and its author.
It doesn’t pass any number of the most basic smell tests.
It asks for suspension of reason, and I for one, believe that in addition the immortal soul, one of the other thing that seperates us from the beasts of the fields is the ability to Reason. God does not ask us to suspend reason to believe in him or his works. The author of the hydroplaning continents asks for complete suspension of reason to buy into his theories.
There is nothing in this mans writings on this particular theory that remotely can exist with know sciences, be them physics, geology or hydromechanics, just to name a few.
For a theory to questions one area of studies assumptions it may perhaps have merit, for a “theory” to claim all areas of study are completely wrong in every fundamental aspect for your theory to be true, requires the willful suspension of reason, and I do not believe God asks us to forbid and deny the use one of the greatest gifts he has given us in order to glorify him.
This “theory” isn’t science.. its an attempt to work backwards from a biblical story and extrapolate someway in which it could fit a predisposition to a predetermined conclusion. Not one based on Reason, but on requirement of a particular outcome.
Secondly, to try to argue that the seperation being seen today at the Great Rift is proof of this hydroplaning techtonic plates is even more absurd, for if you believe in his theory, then if this plate is moving faster than expected it must be moving because there is a layer of water still beneath the surface worldwide allowing this movement to happen so quickly.. and of course, we know there is no such body of water between the crust and the core.
There just isn’t a leg to stand on for this theory.. and its completely disingenuous for a site like ICR to try to take a rift that has actually been seperating slowly for eons, and we’ve known was doing this for over a century, suddely breaks into an open visible crack at the surface faster than postulated, proves the hydro theory or is an example of it.
While this movement is faster than generally theorized or accepted, to take this movement as proof of hundres of miles in a month is possible is just not defensible.
Its not Creationism, and its not Science when you do such things... its simply silliness.
Son, I grew up with the Young Earth arguments which is why I am attune to the flaws of man when trying to make a scientific document out of a spiritual text. It is funny how on one hand people who believe science is 'damned' for reading events outside the inerrant word of the Bible (as though man puts himself on par with God by claiming that his own belief as to what something means are just as 'perfect' as God's word.) Yet you have people like whom you referenced in #19 who have written entire texts on events that have absolutely no reference in the Bible to somehow justify their 'inerrant' belief of what it all means. I would propose there is just as many 'extra-Biblical' theories among the Young Earth literalists as are in the Scientific Community. I've seen entire texts and theories to try to justify how the Young Earth arguments are formed that have absolutely no Biblical basis, everything from the super-critical water theory to some who propose that the entire solar system was rearranged and the Earth used to revolve around a proto-sun Saturn.
Maybe it is time to take a step back and realize that there is a big difference between man's inerrancy of what he thinks the Bible says and means and the inerrancy of God, and study ALL the evidence God gives us, not just reject it because our understanding is too narrow to not make it fit within a few hundred words.
Uhhh, no. I was referring to the bibical flood not the earlier one.(sarc)
Thats just the way I roll.
I have read a few of the flood accounts you refer to and still like the bible story better.
In speaking of absurd concepts, evolutionist have their own share of the same such as a creature (human, ape? what?) squatting down gave it flat feet which made it easier to walk upright. Or Ardi limping around.
You would do well to take the message of your own tag line to heart.
Actually the great rift has been forming for eons, just now that the spit has hit the surface its lightning fast? Nope... Its spitting faster than expected, but it isn’t like the great rift just showed up last week... its been around a long long time.
The Rochester paper only addresses the linearity, not the parametric nature of the process. It states nothing of the x-bar, R, and lambda of the process.
1) First, Brian Thomas and the IRC is hardly a reliable, objective source of anything.
2) Define "suddenly" in geologic terms and opine on whether this is a continuous process or if there exists a significant time interval between "sudden" events.
3) Explain why we should all accept is evidence of or proof that all historic tectonic activity occurred in the last 6,000 to 10,000 years (+ 4 days).
1) Do you seriously believe that "evos" are some kind of homogeneous, organized group?
2)Do you seriously believe that the word "evolution" is limited in usage to the process of biological change over time and has no application in other processes that exhibit change over time? Heck, even your story about the six earth day creation is evolving......
Off topic, I went to Will Durant’s “The Story of Civilization” and learned where the Bible got its name.
On page 293-294 of Volume 1, Durant writes of the Semites:
At strategic points along the Mediterranean they established garrisons that grew in time into populous cities: at Cadiz, Carthage, and Marseilles, in Malta, Sicily, Sardinia and Corsica, even in distant England. They occupied Cyprus, Melos and Rhodes. They took the arts and sciences of Egypt, Crete and the Near East and spread them in Greece, Africa, Italy and Spain. They bound together the East and the West in a commercial and cultural web, and began to redeem Europe from barbarism.
Nourished by this trade, and skillfully governed by mercantile aristocracies too clever in diplomacy and finance to waste their fortunes in war, the cities of Phoenicia rose to a place among the richest and most powerful in the world. Byblos thought itself the oldest of all cities; the god El had founded it at the beginning of time, and to the end of its history it remained the religious capital of Phoenicia. Because papyrus was one of the principle articles in its trade, the Greeks took the name of the city as their word for book –biblios – and from their word for books named our Bible – ta biblia.
What this means is that the first edition of the Bible predates Christ and the Gospels by up to about twelve centuries.
Good night, fellow travelers on Earth.
The translation of "El" means "the one", meaning of God. It was prominent in ancient Hebrew names for the seven Archangels; "Micha-el", Gabri-el", "Rapha-el", "Uri-el", "Sari-el", "Ragu-el", and "Remi-el". It is still used Arabic and Spanish in a cognate form. Interesting how so much pre-Judaism there in in the bible.
Any substance at a constant pressure and temperature (below nuclear fusion minimums, of course) will not “produce heat”.
Bwaaaaahahahahaha.....how DARE you use actual calculations!!
I figured the release of that amount of super-heated water would simply flash-steam everything.
There is no mid-oceanic trench that circumnavigates the globe, there are mid-oceanic RIDGES that do so. Ridges are in the middle of the oceans, trenches tend to be nearer the land. You either don't read ANYTHING about oceanic ridges outside of your echo chamber.....or you wholly discount entire fields of science in favor of ONE GUY's theory that doesn't stand up to even a cursory glance in the real world.
There is a valid scientific theory for the formation of the exact oceanic rifts/ridges you're talking about.....and even the trenches. It's called simple plate techtonics...something that is observable, measureable and needs no manufacturings of 10km thick super-heated and super-pressurized water to explain it.
Converging plates form trenches by subduction. Diverging plates form rifts that allow the escape of magma, which forms the ridges where the rift used to be.
So by your reasoning [and HJ in the post prior] there is no evidence of a global flood. Just more made up story telling that could not possibly have happened when and as it’s recorded in the Bible.
Tell me how do you use your reasoning to explain the miracles that Jesus Christ performed?
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