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The CRU hack ("climatologists" respond)
RealClimate ^ | 11/20/2009

Posted on 11/20/2009 11:33:27 AM PST by markomalley

As many of you will be aware, a large number of emails from the University of East Anglia webmail server were hacked recently (Despite some confusion generated by Anthony Watts, this has absolutely nothing to do with the Hadley Centre which is a completely separate institution). As people are also no doubt aware the breaking into of computers and releasing private information is illegal, and regardless of how they were obtained, posting private correspondence without permission is unethical. We therefore aren’t going to post any of the emails here. We were made aware of the existence of this archive last Tuesday morning when the hackers attempted to upload it to RealClimate, and we notified CRU of their possible security breach later that day.

Nonetheless, these emails (a presumably careful selection of (possibly edited?) correspondence dating back to 1996 and as recently as Nov 12) are being widely circulated, and therefore require some comment. Some of them involve people here (and the archive includes the first RealClimate email we ever sent out to colleagues) and include discussions we’ve had with the CRU folk on topics related to the surface temperature record and some paleo-related issues, mainly to ensure that posting were accurate.

Since emails are normally intended to be private, people writing them are, shall we say, somewhat freer in expressing themselves than they would in a public statement. For instance, we are sure it comes as no shock to know that many scientists do not hold Steve McIntyre in high regard. Nor that a large group of them thought that the Soon and Baliunas (2003), Douglass et al (2008) or McClean et al (2009) papers were not very good (to say the least) and should not have been published. These sentiments have been made abundantly clear in the literature (though possibly less bluntly).

More interesting is what is not contained in the emails. There is no evidence of any worldwide conspiracy, no mention of George Soros nefariously funding climate research, no grand plan to ‘get rid of the MWP’, no admission that global warming is a hoax, no evidence of the falsifying of data, and no ‘marching orders’ from our socialist/communist/vegetarian overlords. The truly paranoid will put this down to the hackers also being in on the plot though.

Instead, there is a peek into how scientists actually interact and the conflicts show that the community is a far cry from the monolith that is sometimes imagined. People working constructively to improve joint publications; scientists who are friendly and agree on many of the big picture issues, disagreeing at times about details and engaging in ‘robust’ discussions; Scientists expressing frustration at the misrepresentation of their work in politicized arenas and complaining when media reports get it wrong; Scientists resenting the time they have to take out of their research to deal with over-hyped nonsense. None of this should be shocking.

It’s obvious that the noise-generating components of the blogosphere will generate a lot of noise about this. but it’s important to remember that science doesn’t work because people are polite at all times. Gravity isn’t a useful theory because Newton was a nice person. QED isn’t powerful because Feynman was respectful of other people around him. Science works because different groups go about trying to find the best approximations of the truth, and are generally very competitive about that. That the same scientists can still all agree on the wording of an IPCC chapter for instance is thus even more remarkable.

No doubt, instances of cherry-picked and poorly-worded “gotcha” phrases will be pulled out of context. One example is worth mentioning quickly. Phil Jones in discussing the presentation of temperature reconstructions stated that “I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline.” The paper in question is the Mann, Bradley and Hughes (1998) Nature paper on the original multiproxy temperature reconstruction, and the ‘trick’ is just to plot the instrumental records along with reconstruction so that the context of the recent warming is clear. Scientists often use the term “trick” to refer to a “a good way to deal with a problem”, rather than something that is “secret”, and so there is nothing problematic in this at all. As for the ‘decline’, it is well known that Keith Briffa’s maximum latewood tree ring density proxy diverges from the temperature records after 1960 (this is more commonly known as the “divergence problem”–see e.g. the recent discussion in this paper) and has been discussed in the literature since Briffa et al in Nature in 1998 (Nature, 391, 678-682). Those authors have always recommend not using the post 1960 part of their reconstruction, and so while ‘hiding’ is probably a poor choice of words (since it is ‘hidden’ in plain sight), not using the data in the plot is completely appropriate, as is further research to understand why this happens.

The timing of this particular episode is probably not coincidental. But if cherry-picked out-of-context phrases from stolen personal emails is the only response to the weight of the scientific evidence for the human influence on climate change, then there probably isn’t much to it.

There are of course lessons to be learned. Clearly no-one would have gone to this trouble if the academic object of study was the mating habits of European butterflies. That community’s internal discussions are probably safe from the public eye. But it is important to remember that emails do seem to exist forever, and that there is always a chance that they will be inadvertently released. Most people do not act as if this is true, but they probably should.

It is tempting to point fingers and declare that people should not have been so open with their thoughts, but who amongst us would really be happy to have all of their email made public?

Let he who is without PIN cast the the first stone.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government
KEYWORDS: climatechange; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; gorebullwarming; hadleycru; planetgore
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Gee...I guess somebody is a little upset.
1 posted on 11/20/2009 11:33:27 AM PST by markomalley
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To: markomalley
Screw them.....bastards. I hope this brings to whole scam to light. The we can prosecute the bastards for fraud.
2 posted on 11/20/2009 11:35:54 AM PST by rightwingextremist1776
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To: markomalley

Once again...the “so what” defense...


3 posted on 11/20/2009 11:37:14 AM PST by Crim
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To: markomalley

no evidence of the falsifying of data???

The email states to hide the decline!


4 posted on 11/20/2009 11:38:29 AM PST by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the existing Constitution"Obama Adviser)
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To: markomalley
Some one in the IT industry should have told these "big-brains" that NOTHING is secure once it leaves the keyboard.

Seems like the spin must begin now that the ass has been bared.

5 posted on 11/20/2009 11:38:53 AM PST by paulcissa (The first requirement of Liberalism is to stand on your head and tell the world they're upside down)
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To: markomalley

let the hacking begin.....


6 posted on 11/20/2009 11:40:17 AM PST by eeevil conservative (GIVE ME A PLACE TO STAND AND I WILL MOVE THE EARTH....Archimedes)
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To: markomalley
There is no evidence of any worldwide conspiracy, no mention of George Soros nefariously funding climate research, no grand plan to ‘get rid of the MWP’, no admission that global warming is a hoax, no evidence of the falsifying of data, and no ‘marching orders’ from our socialist/communist/vegetarian overlords

Hiding or altering data is not an admission of the hoax, it is a propagation of a hoax.

7 posted on 11/20/2009 11:41:54 AM PST by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: markomalley
They do protest too much. The fact remains that for at least the last 12 years the Earth HAS NOT warmed. Yet the SRM continues day after day with OMG scenarios. AGW is a pile of steaming Gore/Reid/Boxer...too many climate “scientists” are just in it for the money, and they merrily travel down the road to their socialist utopia. The time has come to stop their madness NOW!!
8 posted on 11/20/2009 11:43:14 AM PST by JPG (Obama's plan for America...today, Labor Unions...tomorrow, Labor Camps.)
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To: markomalley

Wrong, the whole dump is out on the net.

(a presumably careful selection of (possibly edited?)


9 posted on 11/20/2009 11:43:21 AM PST by DManA
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To: markomalley

I have to admit, this is good spin, but awfully thin. By answering in this way, they admit they are real. The onus is on them now if they claim any individual e-mail has been edited. Prove it.


10 posted on 11/20/2009 11:44:26 AM PST by jim_trent
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To: markomalley

We’ll deal with the ethics of the hacker AFTER we deal with the ethics (or lack of depending on your POV) of these people who are deliberately lying to people and governments that use such info to set massive controlling policies across entire countries. And cost people billions for NOTHING. And allowed YOU FAKE F#$#S to FIRE, and destroy the careers of GENUINE SCIENTISTS who opposed this collaborated effort of yours, and call people who didn’t SWALLOW YOUR LIES “Global Warming Deniers” - trying to smear them akin to “Holocaust Deniers” and even trying to make it criminal to oppose global warming. Oh and when the lie was wearing thin, swithcing it to “Climate Change”. and still defending the lies and coverups and firings of opponents and demonizing anyone else opposed to this false agenda.

In short, you liars aren’t in ANY position to bitch about the hacker’s ethics until we deal with YOUR MASSIVE ETHICAL SCHEMES AND COVERUPS AND SHAMS AND PROPAGANDA.


11 posted on 11/20/2009 11:44:33 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: markomalley
They are really in an untenable situation. This response is spin control for willing accomplices in MSM.

The real problem they face is that this leak represents a huge amount of factual data delivered into the hands of Steve McKintyre. He will read through this stuff page by page and relentlessly pursue the information. The "team" has been stonewalling him for years and suddenly a tunnel has been revealed and McKintyre is flanking them.

The data is important.
The code is very important.
The emails and what they reveal about the FOI requests is crucial.
The interactions between the scientists is important.

Let all the sun in.
12 posted on 11/20/2009 11:44:52 AM PST by BillCompton
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To: markomalley
Flim Flam Man speaketh.
13 posted on 11/20/2009 11:46:44 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: BillCompton
Exactly. the problem for these assclowns is many of the discussions mention Mckintyre by name! They talk about how they can best avoid him or make him look bad.

McKintyre deserves the Order of Canada for all of this.
14 posted on 11/20/2009 11:47:38 AM PST by Minus_The_Bear
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

15 posted on 11/20/2009 11:50:10 AM PST by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead. Bonus tag line: FAIL 246, Obama 0)
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To: BillCompton

Luke 12:2-3
2 Everything that is secret will be brought out into the open. Everything that is hidden will be uncovered. 3 What you have said in the dark will be heard in the daylight. What you have whispered to someone behind closed doors will be shouted from the rooftops.


16 posted on 11/20/2009 11:51:57 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: markomalley

Who you gonna believe, your bleeding liberal heart or your lying eyes?

;)


17 posted on 11/20/2009 11:59:54 AM PST by maggief
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To: icwhatudo
"no evidence of the falsifying of data???"

yeah I caught that too. They threw out red herrings like no proof of Soros funding and buried that little puppy in the middle.

18 posted on 11/20/2009 12:05:38 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: eeevil conservative

Oooooh boy, oh boy, oh boy, oh boy, oh boy....now, more like this!


19 posted on 11/20/2009 12:06:13 PM PST by Amityschild (Obama! PBUH!)
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To: markomalley
Scientists often use the term “trick” to refer to a “a good way to deal with a problem”, rather than something that is “secret”, and so there is nothing problematic in this at all.

lol....

Trick:

"a cunning or deceitful action or device; "he played a trick on me"; "he pulled a fast one and got away with it"

"Something designed to fool or swindle; "

"flim-flam: deceive somebody; "We tricked the teacher into thinking that class would be cancelled next week""

20 posted on 11/20/2009 12:07:28 PM PST by DouglasKC
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