Posted on 11/21/2009 7:01:41 AM PST by UncleVanya
Resistant swine flu cluster found in N.C.
Tamiflu is ineffective against four N.C. cases
Again, names you recognize, but I don’t. The links came from the original thread on the newspaper. (The reference to “plague,” by the way, was used in the general dictionary sense, not citing the “bubonic plague.” As to your reference to the 1918 epidemic, that is exactly what several of the sources reference.) I don’t listen to radio at all, much less the “late night crazies” you are seem familiar with. So your suppositions are in your own head. The topic seems to have touched a nerve, and you are intent on discrediting it. (Are you claiming, by the way, that Baxter International did not actually mix live, genetically engineered avian flu viruses in vaccine material shipped to 18 countries, with catastrophe averted only by fortunate testing by a Czech laboratory?) Well, FR has those who seek the truth, discuss it civilly, and a few who are here to disrupt or discourage it. I’ll let other readers come to their own conclusions.
Sally, if that is your name, it took some time to compile for those with an honest interest. As to aesthetics, feel free to copy-paste and re-post with posies, if you like. Wouldn’t you say the topic is important enough without worrying about Martha Stewart? Or feel free to skip it.
A very good point, and a scruple that you and I would have. But it doesn’t mean those capable of something like this — if it were for some sort of counter-Malthusian insanity — would let that trouble them from their privileged heights. Or possibly with vaccines already known to be efficacious, though not released to the public. The limits on your and my behavior are a respect for the sanctity of human life. Not everyone in history nor in the world today lets that trouble them. (Consider the Eritrean holocaust which continues this moment without much objection.) This is, of course, unlikely, but not unthinkable. There are things about this that are not adding up, and there are numbers of respected medical professionals who are not convinced HHS is giving us the straight story. It raises questions. One way to pursue this story is to speak with Mr. Joseph in Israel directly. I wonder why “mainstream” media — those stout, leg-tingling, pure-hearted champions of MSNBC — have not given this a try. In the meantime, would we be surprised to see the “lurkers” pouncing to ridicule the topic rather than illuminate it?
Ping. “Although the concept of “random mutation” has been used to explain away the sudden appearance of the same polymorphism on multiple backgrounds, the appearance via recombination is a much stronger argument for the same change to appear at multiple locations at the same time.” That’s the intriguing point. Thank you.
Look in the English dictionary under the word “plague.” The British journalist in a general-reader newspaper used it in that sense, not with the scientific distinction you are trying to draw. Sounds like the whole sophormore dorm is determined to distract from the issue by straw-men arguments. No more need be said. The recombinant discussion above is the only sound scientific comment that merits reader attention.
Ping! lol
Guess I'm outed since my birth certificate has Sally as my first name. Sorry you feel I don't have an honest interest when I request the courtesy of formatting.
As to aesthetics, feel free to copy-paste and re-post with posies, if you like. Wouldn’t you say the topic is important enough without worrying about Martha Stewart? Or feel free to skip it.
I'm not going to do your job for you. It's too bad you apparently don't have enough respect for your post to make it legible to the majority of FReepers. As you don't think it's important enough to insert paragraphs in order to make it legible, I don't find it important enough to read.
I always cheer the voice of sanity on these threads. These days I’m not cheering all that much, if you catch my drift.
I can’t believe the number of people who sucker for these reports hook, line, and sinker.
The post is completely readable. There’s nothing wrong with the formatting. Maybe it’s your browser that’s to blame.
As to the dictionary, laymen's dictionaries are next to useless in technical discussions. Competent discussions of recombinance involving viruses should avoid at all costs any reference to bacteriological pathogens, en passant or otherwise. There is absolutely no need for or use in risking muddying the discussion by using the term 'plague' in a generic, as opposed to disease-specific, sense in such a discussion.
This sentiment applies with equal force to 'journalists' who write on technical matters, whether in a general-readership publication or not.
''No more need be said,'', eh? Fine, you can cease your defense of an indefensible botch any time.
There's nothing wrong with my browser. There is a distinct lack of paragraphs in post #1. Paragraphs break up text and make posts much easier to read and understand.
News Article Links
background) Feb 2007: http://www.singtomeohmuse.com/viewtopic.php?t=423&highlight=baxter+h5n1
March 2009 “The Baxter H3N2/H5N1 Contamination Debacle”
http://www.singtomeohmuse.com/viewtopic.php?t=3170&highlight=baxter+h5n1
There are line breaks. So what if part of the post doesn’t have paragraph breaks? Is this really something to quibble about? Give the guy a break.
WHO Assesses H1N1 Virus Mutation In Norway
2009, November 21 - VisitBulgaria.com
“According to the UN agency, apart from Norway, countries like Brazil, China, Japan, Mexico, Ukraine and the United States also detected the mutation sometime in early April.”
http://visitbulgaria.info/11885-who-assesses-h1n1-virus-mutation-norway#ixzz0XWAZDwM2
Please point out the first line break in post #1. I see what looks to be a run-on sentence posted in one wad. I know it’s not a run-on sentence but when paragraphs aren’t used it looks like one.
I gave the guy a break when I read the title and all that fell under it in the excerpting section. It had paragraphs even if it was long and had several different citations.
You’re talking about the comment in post #1? Good grief. It’s one long paragraph which basically discusses one thought. At most I would have inserted one paragraph break. It’s a comment! Who cares how a comment is formatted?
If it’s important enough to post a comment then it’s important enough that the poster wants it to be read. I care if the comment is formatted as simple paragraphs because then I can read the thing.
I have a 21” monitor set to where I can read it without trying to use physical correction of my eyesight because there isn’t a physical correction available to me. Paragraphs keep the text from looking like it’s squiggling across the page. We aren’t talking rocket science here, we’re talking about using the enter button to make a straight forward paragraph.
Are you finished now or would you like further clarification about why there’s a saying of “Paragraphs are your friend.”?
The story itself claims that the influenza virus had mutated into pneumonic plague.
Look I know you are new to FR but please just because something is ‘out there’ doen’t make it true. And your claim that you are seeking the truth leaves one in much doubt. Sources are everything. The reliabilty of yours is at best questionable
The report about the “Ukranian plague” is bunk. There was a panic that H1N1 had mutated into something worse but the WHO has already tested over 30 samples from the supposed victims of this plague and all they have found is typical H1N1. No mutations detected.
The simple fact is that H1N1 can kill all on its lonesome, and I guess when there is a pocket of deaths in one location, people get scared that something other than random chance is at play.
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