Posted on 11/22/2009 7:16:55 AM PST by milwguy
It seems that while scientists who accept funding from oil companies are branded as bought-and-paid-for shills, those financed by renewable energy interests remain unchallenged authorities in their fields. Words cant adequately express my astonishment.
its actually the second document (potential-funding.doc) that tells the more compelling tale. In addition to four government sources of potential CRU funding, it lists an equal number of energy agencies they might put the bite on. Three -- the Carbon Trust, the Northern Energy Initiative and the Energy Saving Trust -- are UK-based consultancy and funding specialists promoting new energy technologies with the goal of reducing carbon dioxide emissions. The fourth -- Renewables North West -- is an American company promoting the expansion of solar, wind and geothermal energy in the Pacific Northwest.
Needless to say, all four of these CRU potential funding sources have an undeniably intrinsic financial interest in the promotion of the carbochondriacal reports CRU is ready, willing, and able to dish out ostensibly on-demand. And equally obvious is that Jones is all too aware that a renewable energy-funded CRU will remain the worlds premiere authority on the subject of anthropogenic global warming (AGW) despite any appearance of conflict.
And yet, no such latitude has ever been extended to scientists in the skeptical camp
(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...
Al Gore wants to become the first 'green' Billionaire by forcing higher energy costs and a lower standard of living on us. The curtain has now been lifted, the emails show just how pernicious the connection between the 'scientists' providing the 'proof' of AGW and the 'green' alternative energy companies who stand to benefit from AGW is.
The envirowackos deride big oil funding skeptics, when in reality, it is big 'green' that is funding the scientists who are manufacturing data out of thin air to support the AGW theory. Game will be over soon, because the data leaked will be even more incriminating than the emails. The data will be gone over and shown to have been manipulated by Briffa, mann, Jones, et al to get the results they want.
Stupid question. Allow me. Why aren’t the big oil companies all over this?
The hacking was done so well for political effect I wonder if an intelligence agency was involved, such as China, India, Saudi Arabia, or even Big Oil. The involvement of a Russian FTP server was a nice touch.
I'm guessing they operate behind the scenes. Considering how much capital is involved, they sure stay out of the lime light.
I hope Britain files criminal charges against these scientists. What they did is very serious and damaging to science.
Govt-Funded Research Unit Destroyed Original Climate Data
The actual charges against them were refusing to share their data and the selective, incomplete disclosure of data in a manner that favored the AGW hypothesis.
I would like to see the people they trashed, and it seems in some cases were able to get fired, come out and sue them based on these revelations. It appears to me to be collusion in character assassination.
http://www.freedominion.com.pa/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=125688
Hadley CRU has apparently been hacked [epic fraud?]
I note, ironically, that their sub-forum for this:
Global Warming and Other Junk Sciences was created many years ago they called it from the first.
Well it would be nice to know what the Dollar amt of TAXPAYER money has been wasted on this FRAUD call Global Climate Change.
Thanks for the post milwguy, after reading it what struck me was this. Would Joe Sixpack know what this is about ? Or after comming upon the first acronymn turn to the sports page!
The article is an “insiders read” when what it should be presented this way;
Profiteering officials and their bureaucratic minions sre raking in millions of tax payers “donations” working Global Warming schemes. Besides frightening every school kid (just ask them) They are using phoney (pseudo) science hyping useless projects hiding behind high sounding acronyms such as CRU, or AGW etc...
http://www.theusmat.com/
Hack vs. leak—
That’s my thought also. It seems the zip file may have been created in response to a FOI request which was then denied by the resident information officer.
Only then did the file pop up on the net.
I think there are enough suggestions of wrongdoing in there to justify a whistleblower defense if it was leaked.
Needless to say, CRU prefers the “hacker” spin.
Excellent post, he’s talking faster, lol.
“The envirowackos deride big oil funding skeptics, when in reality, it is big ‘green’ that is funding the scientists who are manufacturing data out of thin air to support the AGW theory.” ~ milwguy
Don’t let ‘em fool ya - they were funded by “big oil”, too.
See this exchange on Real Climate:
#741 We have seen the deniers amp up their attacks since June, leading to this crescendo
all of it aimed directly at blowing up Copenhagan and its prospective Kyoto-II Climate Treaty. The gloves are truly off. This is open warfare funded by Exxon-Mobil et al. It creates a High Noon scenario, with the swarm of denialists due on the train at noon armed to the teeth and ready to take out Gary Cooper.....” [snip]
Comment by Sean Rooney 21 November 2009 @ 9:59 PM http://www.realclimate.org/?comments_popup=1853#comment-143136
# 770 Let´s put the tiresome ¨Big Oil funds deniers¨ canard to bed. From the docs folder of FOIA.
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SHELL INTERNATIONAL
Mick Kelly and Aeree Kim (CRU, ENV) met with Robert Kleiburg (Shell Internationals climate change team) on July 4th primarily to discuss access to Shell information as part of Aerees PhD study (our initiative) and broader collaboration through postgrad. student project placements (their initiative), but Robert was also interested in plans for the Tyndall Centre (TC). What ensued was necessarily a rather speculative discussion with the following points emerging.
Shell International would give serious consideration to what I referred to in the meeting as a strategic partnership with the TC, broadly equivalent to a flagship alliance in the TC proposal. A strategic partnership would involve not only the provision of funding but some (limited but genuine) role in setting the research agenda etc.
Shells interest is not in basic science. Any work they support must have a clear and immediate relevance to real-world activities. They are particularly interested in emissions trading and CDM
Comment by David. 22 November 2009 @ 12:29 AM http://www.realclimate.org/?comments_popup=1853#comment-143177
bttt
Joe Sixpack may not be a weatherman but he knows which way the wind blows.
Thanks for the ping; post (LOL!); thread.
OUTSTANDING FR thread BUMP!
It seems at first blush that they are talking about transferring grant money to a private account to avoid having to pay taxes on it!
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