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In SOAP-D15-intro-gkss.doc, it states:

“Osborn and Briffa, together with other co-authors (Rutherford et al., 2005), examined the sensitivity of temperature reconstructions to the use of different target variable (annual or seasonal temperature), target domain (hemispheric or extratropical) and reconstruction method. They found that when the differences in target variable and domain are accounted for, the differences in several reconstructions are small and that all reconstructions robustly indicate anomalous warm conditions in the 20th century, with respect to the past millennium.”

Since they are subbing real temp data after 1960, isn’t this fraud?

I mean, I think this is a pretty bald face lie to me.


7 posted on 11/22/2009 11:05:05 PM PST by dila813
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To: dila813
I was trying to make sense out of the comments,...couldn't...but did pick up a reference to a lengthy story in a UK paper Daily Mail

The devastating book which debunks climate change

By Christopher Booker Last updated at 12:47 AM on 23rd November 2009

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Just imagine if we learned we were about to be landed with the biggest bill in the history of the world - simply on the say-so of a group of scientists. Would we not want to be absolutely sure that those scientists were 100 per cent dependable in what they were saying?

Should we not then be extremely worried - and even very angry - if it emerged that those scientists had been conspiring among themselves to fiddle the evidence for what they were telling us?

This is the extraordinary position in which we find ourselves thanks to news reported in Saturday's Daily Mail which has raised huge question marks over the reliability of the science behind the theory of global warming.

Hundreds of emails leaked from the internal computer system of the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia show how a small group of highly influential senior British and U.S. scientists have for years been secretly discussing ways in which their evidence could be manipulated to make the threat posed by global warming sound much worse than it is.

To place the significance of these revelations into context, let us recall how exactly a year ago, Parliament passed, virtually unopposed, what was far and away the most expensive new law ever put before it. On the Government's own figures, the Climate Change Act is going to cost Britain £18 billion a year - that's £720 for every household in the country - every year from now until 2050.

10 posted on 11/22/2009 11:17:49 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: dila813

I am running out of steam here...need to look at those graphs tomorrow,...1960 might be about where those temps started to go skyward....


12 posted on 11/22/2009 11:21:31 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: dila813
Since they are subbing real temp data after 1960, isn’t this fraud?

From what I can tell, they're using the "fake but accurate" defense, claiming that even if the numbers have been manipulated it's because the original data was wrong and needed to be changed to reflect "true" findings, which coincidentally happens to support global warming.
14 posted on 11/22/2009 11:23:51 PM PST by Terpfen (FR is being Alinskied. Remember, you only take flak when you're over the target.)
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To: dila813
Since they are subbing real temp data after 1960, isn’t this fraud?

Many real-temp data after 1960 are crap anyway, due to the urban heat-island effect. Temperature stations in non-rural areas tend to be near asphalt parking lots, A/C exhausts, and other sources of heat that can only skew the temps upwards. The measurement errors are often greater than the alleged "human-caused temperature increases".

See for example

http://www.surfacestations.org/

18 posted on 11/22/2009 11:37:43 PM PST by rfp1234 (R.I.P. Scotty 7/2007-11/2009.)
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