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The Darwin Anniversary
CMI ^ | November 24, 2009 | Carl Wieland

Posted on 11/24/2009 9:27:06 AM PST by GodGunsGuts

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To: RoadGumby
"Where is the evidence of all the life forms going THROUGH that process?"

I know I shouldn't say, this, but only your ignorance makes you blind to the existence of this evidence. We are anatomically related to animals. We share the genetic code with them (98% with chimpanzees). On the molecular level, we even share parts of certain enzymes with bacteria. So, either we evolved (in a process designed and put in motion by God, as I believe), or God (as you seem to believe) created us like a junkyard tinkerer creates his newest masterpiece. Don't you think that Young Earth Creationists show less respect to God by claiming this "created as is"?

181 posted on 11/25/2009 12:40:56 PM PST by Behemoth the Cat
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To: RoadGumby
"No, because the Word is True, as written, as communicated by God."

The Word did not come directly from God to you or me. If not for the Holy Spirit guiding the hand of man the Scripture would not have been committed to paper or translated numerous times since. Since, as you admit, man is fallible, both our transcription and our interpretation of the Word are flawed (unless, of course, you profess to be flawless in this regard).

182 posted on 11/25/2009 12:51:25 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: GodGunsGuts

Darwinism has long been used as a philosopical brickbat for every leftwinger running the Democrat party, because they hate what the Bible says about sin, death and hell.


183 posted on 11/25/2009 1:00:03 PM PST by Old Landmarks (No fear of man, none!)
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To: Behemoth the Cat; RoadGumby
So, either we evolved (in a process designed and put in motion by God, as I believe), or God (as you seem to believe) created us like a junkyard tinkerer creates his newest masterpiece. Don't you think that Young Earth Creationists show less respect to God by claiming this "created as is"?

Oh BARF!!

Not that tired old canard again.

Assembling something using the same parts is not a *junkyard tinkerer*. Nor is thinking that believing that God created everything *as is* is showing any disrespect to Him when He tells us in His word that that is what He did.

The typical evo portrayal of instantaneous creation as somehow beneath God or unworthy of Him, or somehow demeans Him has absolutely no basis. There is no Scriptural support for that and there is no rational support for that.

It's merely another in a long line of evo mind games trying to manipulate creationists into thinking as they do. If you can't convince them, then try to intimidate them or humiliate them. Somehow appeal to their sense of shame or fear of incurring God's disapproval for what they think so that they'll change their minds.

For all the criticism by evos of creationists that creationists claim to have in *in* on how God thinks, evos sure act like THEY do instead.

If God created animals very similar, it's proof that God didn't *create them as is* but that He used evolution instead. If God had created animals very different it would be proof that God didn't create them cause why would an intelligence creator create things so different.

The *heads I win, tails you lose* mentality which evos constantly regale creationists with is ridiculous.

The most obvious reason God would have used similar materials is twofold. One is that we share an identical environment. The other is that all life consumes other life for survival. It would make infinitely more sense that God used the same materials so that plants and animals would nourish each other instead of being inedible or nutritionally inadequate.

The only thing that shows less respect to God is the evo portrayal of Him being less than He is because He didn't do something the way they think He should have.

184 posted on 11/25/2009 1:00:55 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
If it discredits creationists to decide which passages can be interpreted in light of current knowledge, why is it OK for evos to do it? Why doesn't that discredit evolutionists in your eyes, who say they believe in God?

Why the double standard, one for creationists and one for evos?

It's not a double standard. It's not the deciding which passages to interpret that discredits creationists, it's then turning around and telling everyone else "My interpretations are just what the Bible obviously means, but your interpretations are going to send you to hell." As far as I know, evos who believe in God are all for intepreting passages in light of current knowledge.

185 posted on 11/25/2009 1:36:47 PM PST by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: metmom
"The *heads I win, tails you lose* " - well, it simply reflects the fact that our vision of the reality is self consistent. From whatever end you try, it's always possible to support evolutionary biology. Can't say the same about your delusions, based largely on a blessed ignorance of quite elementary facts from various disciplines of natural sciences. Not even interpretations. Just plain facts.

Also, (1) We definitely do not share the same environment with whales, for example. Yet the similarities exist and they suggest something. (2) The preservation of a particular sequence of amino acids has NOTHING to do with the nutritional value of a protein or lack of it. The preservation of this sequence, however, implies a relationship.

186 posted on 11/25/2009 1:52:28 PM PST by Behemoth the Cat
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To: RoadGumby

I got as far as the first sentence....the first untruth.

NOT ONCE have I said or limited in any way what people can or can not say here.

First sentence contains an untruth, the rest cannot be much better.


187 posted on 11/25/2009 2:08:06 PM PST by ElectricStrawberry (Didja know that Man walked with 100+ species of large meat eating dinos within the last 4,351 years?)
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To: metmom

I do not pervert your theology in ANY MANNER (untruth #). I will, however, laugh at the notion of Man living with 100+ species of meat eatting dinosaurs.

Cry me a river...


188 posted on 11/25/2009 2:10:53 PM PST by ElectricStrawberry (Didja know that Man walked with 100+ species of large meat eating dinos within the last 4,351 years?)
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To: RoadGumby
It is possible to comment without being derisive

Oh, brother.

PKB, Dude, BIG time:

LINK

In your case, I believe it may be possible that you came from a lower life form.

LINK

Lots of big words there.

LINK

metmom, I was educated before the start of the Dept of Education. What did Behemoth try to say?

LINK

Can anyone on this forum, subscribing to the evo standpoint READ?

LINK (this same message!)

I’ll type slow so you can follow...

LINK

In order to determine the meaning of those words, it helps not to have a ‘skull full of mush’

LINK

Did you seriously just ask such an anile question?

...and those are from today only.

Really, if you want to be a bit acerbic, it doesn't bother me. But to be as derisive as any other user, and then turn around and lecture others on the subject -- IOW, to be an offender, a hypocrite and a whiner -- is irritating. (Well, the whining is irritating. The hypocrisy is actually kinda funny.)

189 posted on 11/25/2009 6:38:35 PM PST by Stultis (Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia; Democrats always opposed waterboarding as torture)
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To: metmom

Thanks for the ping!


190 posted on 11/25/2009 9:54:05 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: ElectricStrawberry
I will, however, laugh at the notion of Man living with 100+ species of meat eatting dinosaurs.

Fine. Laugh.

Man lives with many varieties of meat eating carnivores. Shouldn't we laugh at that idea, too?

Gen 6:11 Now the earth was corrupt in God's sight and was full of violence.

191 posted on 11/26/2009 5:17:47 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

Yeah, you show me ONE 50 foot long, 10 ton man eater Man lives with.

...because Man lives with lions and tigers and bears, does not mean Man lives with large meat eating dinosaurs.

Care to quote the part of the Bible where the dinosaurs were somehow left behind when the Flood hit?


192 posted on 11/26/2009 5:54:13 AM PST by ElectricStrawberry (Didja know that Man walked with 100+ species of large meat eating dinos within the last 4,351 years?)
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To: Agamemnon

Agamemnon, wacha been drinking?


193 posted on 11/30/2009 8:07:23 PM PST by Doctor Don
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To: Doctor Don
I have stood on Darwin’s grave in Westminster Abbey. RIP pagan Darwin!

It appears you and I have to a degree shared the same experience.

194 posted on 12/01/2009 8:36:57 AM PST by Agamemnon (Intelligent Design is to evolution what the Swift Boat Vets were to the Kerry campaign)
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