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Former Obama Organizer Threatens to 'Out' Catholic Priests (to repudiate Catholic teaching)
CNS News ^ | November 24, 2009 | Matt Cover

Posted on 11/24/2009 10:09:43 AM PST by NYer


FILE- Archbishop of Washington Archbishop Donald W. Wuerl walks with United States Chief Justice John Roberts after the Red Mass at Cathedral of St. Matthew the Apostle, in Washington, Sunday, Oct. 4, 2009. (AP photo)

(CNSNews.com) – A longtime Washington, D.C., liberal Internet activist has founded a Web site that he says will collect accounts of homosexuals in the Catholic priesthood--accounts he will use to “encourage” them to change their views on homosexual marriage and other issues.

“Outing” the priests--publicly revealing their homosexuality--is “not off the table,” Phil Attey, founder of the Web site ChurchOuting.com, told CNSNews.com. The site will also collect information on straight priests who have broken their vow of celibacy, using the information to “encourage” those priests to go against their Church’s teachings on homosexuality as well.

“This is a campaign to collect information about closeted gay Catholic priests, as well as heterosexual Catholic priests who secretly engage in romantic or sexual affairs, yet are unwilling to speak out against the church leadership's anti-gay political campaigns,” the Web site says. 

Attey, a former Obama campaign organizer and Internet organizing pioneer, said the goal of his site was not to “out” the priests, but to end what he called the “spiritual abuse” inflicted by Catholic priests who teach against homosexual marriage and the homosexual lifestyle.

“The goal of this site is not to out priests,” Attey said. “It’s to end the cycle of spiritual abuse that has gone on for generations within the Catholic Church, demonizing what it is to be gay. Closeted gay priests spiritually abusing young gay kids and giving them the alternative of going into the clergy and into the priesthood.”

Priests who refuse to come out after being confronted may be publicly exposed, according to Attey.

“We’re not taking that option off the table,” he said.

Bill Donahue, president of the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights, strongly condemned the plan.

“There’s a word for this--it’s ‘fascism.’ They’re just out to publicly destroy people,” Donahue told CNSNews.com.

“Are they going to start harassing, intimidating, stalking priests?” Donahue asked. “This is a religious cleansing; this is a witch hunt. This is simply beyond the pale.”

Focusing on Washington Archdiocese
 
Attey’s campaign is focused on the Washington, D.C., archdiocese, where Archbishop Donald W. Wuerl, who has spoken out against the D.C. City Council’s move to recognize gay marriage.

“For the archdiocese and Catholic Charities, two core tenets of our faith are at the heart of our concerns: our understanding of the nature of marriage and our commitment to expressing Christ’s love through service to others,” Wuerl wrote in a Nov. 17 Washington Post op-ed.

“Under the legislative language before the D.C. Council, the archdiocese would be forced to choose between these two principles. The archdiocese has long made clear that all people have equal dignity, regardless of sexual orientation. But marriage is reserved for husband and wife because of its essential connection with the creation of children.”

Wuerl noted that if the D.C. City Council moves to redefine marriage to include homosexuals his church may not be able to continue partnering with the city on other charitable projects, such as feeding the homeless.
 
“(T)he District requires Catholic Charities to certify its compliance with city laws when applying for contracts and grants. This includes contracts for homeless services, mental health services, foster care and more. Since Catholic Charities cannot comply with city mandates to recognize and promote same-sex marriages, the city would withhold contracts and licenses,” Wuerl explained.

According to Attey, homosexual and non-celibate heterosexual priests who support these and other positions of the Washington archdiocese are “hypocrites,” whom his Web site would work to bring out of the “closet.”
 
“The dream of this site is to collect enough stories about enough priests so that we can go to them and say ‘Listen, this Web site has collected enough stories about enough of you in the archdiocese to where the archbishop can’t seek retribution against you or retaliate against you if you all come out at once. And if you do that there aren’t going to be any stories floated about you (to media outlets.)’ ” 

After that, where a homosexual or non-celibate priest stands on gay issues is up to him, Attey explained, saying he doesn’t care so long as “everyone knows the priest is gay.”

“Where they stand on LGBT (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender) issues after that is totally fine with me. If they want to be an openly-gay priest standing up as an openly-gay person standing up in front of their parish supporting whatever ideology the Catholic Church wants them to support, that’s fine.”

Attey said he will use “rigorous scrutiny” in investigating any tip he receives about a potentially gay priest, pointing out that people who wish to leave tips on his web site cannot remain anonymous and must be able to provide the names of other witnesses that can corroborate the stories.

“No report is allowed to be anonymous, they have to give us their names (and) their e-mail address at least. We send them an e-mail, if it all seems credible, and we ask them if we can speak with them about it. At which point I ask them to write it out in the form of a narrative and sign it.

“I’m specifically looking for situational or logistical information around their story: where it took place, any other individuals involved, dates, and times, so that we can start looking into (it.) After we’ve verified it through two or three different sources then I think it’s fair to say that it’s a credible story.

“No name would ever be released unless it goes through that rigorous scrutiny,” he said. 

Attey said that he will use the accounts to “encourage” gay and non-celibate priests to come out publicly and turn against the Church’s teachings on homosexuality.

“We’re going to encourage them to change,” Attey explained. “This is a much bigger issue within the Catholic Church--rectifying the hypocrisy of their stands on LGBT people, not just civil equality.”

Priests who might face public exposure, he said, would be either high profile priests or more junior clergy who were outspoken proponents of the Church’s teachings on gay issues.

Attey said that high profile priests would receive a visit first, to let them know that they were going to be exposed whether they cooperated or not.

“We’d go to him first and we’d explain to him that we’re about to do this and then we’d probably do it whether he was willing to come out on his own or not.”

Priests who strongly support the Church’s teaching may also be exposed, depending on how outspoken they are.

“It also depends upon how heavy handed the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops is and a particular bishop or archbishop is on making them follow through on the agenda of the USCCB. 

“If that priest is allowing his Church to disseminate the pastoral letter condemning homosexuality again and or using their collection plate to fund anti-gay initiatives well that’s another marker--I’m not taking it off (the table.) We’re going to analyze what’s going on within that parish and the behavior of that particular priest to decide whether or not at the end if they’re not willing to come out on their own we’re going to need to intervene.”

Donahue thinks the tactic is so heinous that even some homosexual leaders probably oppose it. 

“It’s borderline blackmail, at the very least, if not rank blackmail as one could maintain,” Donahue said. “Even if one disagrees with the archbishop in Washington in terms of what he’s doing, these kinds of tactics are obviously so incredibly monstrous and odious that it would seem to beg a response from gay leaders.”


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Philosophy; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: attey; bocampaignorganizer; campaignorganizer; catholic; catholicpriests; catholics; democrat; democrats; homosexualagenda; homosexualpriests; homosexuals; impeachobama; obama; philattey; ussa; wuerl
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1 posted on 11/24/2009 10:09:44 AM PST by NYer
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; markomalley; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; ...
From the Catholic Defense League

GAY ACTIVISTS BULLY D.C. PRIESTS

November 20, 2009

Catholic League president Bill Donohue addresses a serious issue involving gay activists in the District of Columbia:

A new homosexual website, ChurchOuting.org, is intent on publicly disclosing who the gay priests are in the Archdiocese of Washington. The goal of this outing is to intimidate gay priests, as well as heterosexual priests who may be “romantically involved,” into voicing objections to the Catholic Church’s opposition to gay marriage.

This initiative is the work of Phil Attey, self-described as “Liberal-Gay-Ardent Obama Supporter”; he was active in the Obama Pride Metro-DC campaign. According to one news report, “Attey is going to approach priests he thinks are gay, and warn them that they better stop lobbying against gay people, seeing how gay they are…or…else?”

Catholic priests are also being pressured to sign the “Declaration of Religious Support for Marriage Equality,” a statement by Clergy United for Marriage Equality. The statement, while it is not one we support, is respectfully written. Accordingly, we will write to members of the Steering Committee of this group asking them to dissociate themselves from this attempted hijacking of their effort.

The Catholic League is prepared to assist any priest in the Archdiocese of Washington who is the victim of harassment, intimidation or stalking. Whatever resources the priest needs, we will see to it that he is served. If radical gay activists want a showdown with the Catholic League, we will not disappoint them.

Catholic Ping
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2 posted on 11/24/2009 10:11:18 AM PST by NYer ("One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone" - Benedict XVI)
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To: NYer

It’s perfectly all right to attack Catholicism, but you can’t criticize Islam. Odd, the Catholic Church isn’t advocating a return to the 12th century, nor does it oppress and kill members of other religions.


3 posted on 11/24/2009 10:14:18 AM PST by popdonnelly (Yes, we disagree - no, we won't shut up - no, we won't quit.)
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To: NYer

I am going to take a wild guess here, that these people arent familiar with the catholic church.

They can “out” all of the priests they want and the Vatican will not change a thing.

Straight people, couldnt even get them to take a second look at their birth control issues...now, these gays think the church will change for them?

Fat chance. They are wasting their time...energy and resources.


5 posted on 11/24/2009 10:16:02 AM PST by New Yawk Minute
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To: All
... A longtime Washington, D.C., liberal Internet activist has founded a Web site that he says will collect accounts of homosexuals in the Catholic priesthood--accounts he will use to “encourage” them to change their views on homosexual marriage and other issues...

DEAR HOMOSEXUALS /s --- (ROFL)

PLEASE!... PLEASE!... PLEASE DO!... I have no doubt we have them and in high positions. We need to clean up the RCC from this decease.

WON'T YOU HELP US? :)

6 posted on 11/24/2009 10:16:15 AM PST by ElPatriota (The SILENCE of the Catholic Church on the war (...Actually I heard something lately) ** DEAFENING **)
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To: NYer

This isn’t going to work. The Catholic Church is not a local organization, and even the Archbishop answers to a higher (human) authority.

They can “out” all the priests they like, and if they are lucky they can even panic the occasional Bishop, but Benedict XVI won’t budge. We can lose every priest in Washington DC, they can be replaced.


7 posted on 11/24/2009 10:18:10 AM PST by buwaya
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To: NYer

is that blackmail or extortion?


8 posted on 11/24/2009 10:19:09 AM PST by John Galt's cousin (Palin - 2012: Our best hope!)
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To: NYer

Note to all Catholics and Non-Catholics THERE ARE SINNERS IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH! It still does not make the Catholic Church wrong. It is not a reason to leave the church. There has always been sinners in the church. The Holy Spirit protects the message of the Church. If people leave because a priest or bishop has sinned then they do not know what it means to be Catholic.


9 posted on 11/24/2009 10:20:31 AM PST by jroneil (2010 is all that matter now!)
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To: NYer

Please, out them. Any preachers out there you run across, out them too. Catholic, not-catholic, doesn’t matter.

We need to clean house.


10 posted on 11/24/2009 10:22:37 AM PST by marron
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To: NYer

Excellent. Nothing would be better then to rid the church of “gay” priests. They are a blight.


11 posted on 11/24/2009 10:24:54 AM PST by stop_fascism (Georgism is Capitalism's best, last hope)
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To: NYer

http://tinyurl.com/y98urzv

http://www.facebook.com/attey

Phil Attey, self-described as “Liberal-Gay-Ardent Obama Supporter”; he was active in the Obama Pride Metro-DC campaign. According to one news report, “Attey is going to approach priests he thinks are gay, and warn them that they better stop lobbying against gay people, seeing how gay they are…or…else?”

Catholic priests are also being pressured to sign the “Declaration of Religious Support for Marriage Equality,” a statement by Clergy United for Marriage Equality.

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http://tinyurl.com/ylntax8

Phil Attey, who just last year was an Obama Pride coordinator in DC. The DC gay magazine Metro Weekly adds that Attey worked for the left-wing gay activists at the Human Rights Campaign for the “bulk” of the 1990s.


12 posted on 11/24/2009 10:27:01 AM PST by kcvl
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To: jroneil
...Note to all Catholics and Non-Catholics THERE ARE SINNERS IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH! It still does not make the Catholic Church wrong. It is not a reason to leave the church. There has always been sinners in the church. The Holy Spirit protects the message of the Church. If people leave because a priest or bishop has sinned then they do not know what it means to be Catholic....

Sorry but I don't agree with you at all!... These are different times, we have means (Internet) to make our voice heard now... To sit on one's a** and let the RCC go the wrong way (as they did with sexual abuses) and do nothing, say nothing... is NOT to love the church. On the contrary, fighting to clean it up and putting their feet to the fire (Bishops), is the way the go, I feel this deep down in my heart. One thing our Bishops have demonstrated is that they can not be trusted... completely. They seem to be caught on the wrong side of things too often.

13 posted on 11/24/2009 10:29:48 AM PST by ElPatriota (The SILENCE of the Catholic Church on the war (...Actually I heard something lately) ** DEAFENING **)
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To: NYer

I can’t see how this achieves anything. So what if a priest is a homosexual? So long as he remains celibate, what’s the beef? So long as he isn’t a pedophile, so what? I simply cannot understand this silliness. I have absolutely no idea if homosexuality is nature or nurture. I personally knew a kid who was ABSOLUTELY out of the womb that way. His parents in no way encouraged him to play with Barbies or walk with a wiggle any girl would admire. Are others simply choosing a lifestyle? I don’t know, and I don’t care. Whichever it is, don’t be a slut. Consecrated life is just that — consecrated. Marriage is a vocation between consenting and able adults for the purpose of providing for children. Do I think gays should have all the other rights afforded to good friends and lovers — you betcha’. Do I think anyone has the right to keep two consenting adults apart — no way. Does this in anyway have anything to do with being a priest? Not even in the same galaxy.


14 posted on 11/24/2009 10:38:11 AM PST by Constitutions Grandchild
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To: ElPatriota; jroneil
To sit on one's a** and let the RCC go the wrong way (as they did with sexual abuses) and do nothing, say nothing... is NOT to love the church. On the contrary, fighting to clean it up and putting their feet to the fire (Bishops), is the way the go

Actually, the Catholic Church took action to clean up the problem in its ranks. Can you tell me what is being done to address these problems?

Sexual Abuse of Children by Protestant Ministers

Sexual Abuse of Children by Teachers

Sexual Abuse of Children by Rabbis

Sexual Abuse of Children by .... Imams, Camp Counselors, Babysitters, Mom's co-habiting partner ..... shall I go on?

It's good to heed the words of Our Lord.

How can you say to your brother, 'Brother, let me remove that splinter in your eye,' when you do not even notice the wooden beam in your own eye? You hypocrite! Remove the wooden beam from your eye first; then you will see clearly to remove the splinter in your brother's eye.
Luke 6:42

15 posted on 11/24/2009 10:45:12 AM PST by NYer ("One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone" - Benedict XVI)
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To: NYer
Exposed?

How is a non-gay priest going to be able to prove that he is not gay?

16 posted on 11/24/2009 10:50:45 AM PST by Slyfox
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To: NYer
...How can you say to your brother, 'Brother, let me remove that splinter in your eye,' when you do not even notice the wooden beam in your own eye? You hypocrite! Remove the wooden beam from your eye first; then you will see clearly to remove the splinter in your brother's eye. Luke 6:42...

Are you comparing the duties of a PRIEST or BISHOP with one of common peon sinner like me?

Oh here we go again. A waste of time. I made my point.

17 posted on 11/24/2009 10:51:44 AM PST by ElPatriota (The SILENCE of the Catholic Church on the war (...Actually I heard something lately) ** DEAFENING **)
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To: NYer

GOOD! Do it now! Do it loudly! ALL priests engaged in homosexual activities need to be exposed, defrocked, and excommunicated!

..like “last year”!


18 posted on 11/24/2009 10:52:17 AM PST by DGHoodini (Iran Azadi!)
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To: ElPatriota

You missed the point. The bishops may be wrong the priests may be wrong and should be punished But the teachings of the Catholic Church ARE NOT WRONG! There have been instances in Church history where all the Bishops have been in schism except Rome. The Church Survived. The bishops and priest are still men and still make mistakes and if need be be punished by civil authorities so be it and they will ultimately face Christ. People use priest and bishops as excuse to leave the Church all the time. They challenge teachings up the Catholic church that they have a no right to challenge. This in most situations is a result of poor catechizes of the individual


19 posted on 11/24/2009 10:53:40 AM PST by jroneil (2010 is all that matter now!)
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To: jroneil
...You missed the point...

OK

Let me ask you something, because apparently you missed my point too. Priests, Bishops, Priests, Bishops... but what about us? The faithful?... if we see that the church is making mistakes... Or have made mistakes and they don't address head on to fix them... Don't you think we have a duty to SPEAK UP? etc.

20 posted on 11/24/2009 10:58:18 AM PST by ElPatriota (The SILENCE of the Catholic Church on the war (...Actually I heard something lately) ** DEAFENING **)
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To: popdonnelly
popdonnelly said: Odd, the Catholic Church isn’t advocating a return to the 12th century, nor does it oppress and kill members of other religions anymore.
21 posted on 11/24/2009 10:59:22 AM PST by fatboy
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To: NYer

Outing them would be the right thing to do. I don’t think the Church will bless them and say it’s ok to be gay. At least we will know who they are and be able to keep children away from them. So go ahead.


22 posted on 11/24/2009 10:59:24 AM PST by usslsm51
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To: usslsm51
...I don’t think the Church will bless them and say it’s ok to be gay....

Don't be so sure... They may not do it OPENLY... But just look at their actions, The SILENCE as I call it... Even today the rumors exist... IOW, look at their ACTIONS rather than their words.

23 posted on 11/24/2009 11:08:37 AM PST by ElPatriota (The SILENCE of the Catholic Church on the war (...Actually I heard something lately) ** DEAFENING **)
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To: fatboy

Is that you Oliver Cromwell?


24 posted on 11/24/2009 11:09:04 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: ElPatriota

Yes within the confines of church teaching. We the faithful are also oblige to preach the faith and correct BUT and this is a serious BUT we can not judge their soul that is for GOD alone. The Church always believes someone can repent and that is why they allowed a lot of the abuse to go on early on. In the case of bishop and priest abuse it should have been reported to the authorities and when they have served there punishment. They should have removed them from situations where temptation would cause them to repeat their sin. Even the general society still does not know how to deal with these people do we lock them up forever are restriction enough the jury is still out.


25 posted on 11/24/2009 11:28:22 AM PST by jroneil (2010 is all that matter now!)
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To: NYer
I think there needs to be a nice vetting of Phil Attrey to see what he's done in his past. Any employment misconduct or something there? Any underage partners? Reputation for lying?

Don't get mad. Get even.

26 posted on 11/24/2009 11:33:44 AM PST by Darren McCarty (We do what we have to do.)
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To: jroneil
...Yes within the confines of church teaching...

What does that mean?... Can we speak up or not?

Let me put it another way. I certainly SPEAK UP... am I doing it "withing the confines of the church teaching, etc?"

Oh maybe what you are saying is that I should keep my mouth shut? Please be CLEAR.

27 posted on 11/24/2009 11:35:51 AM PST by ElPatriota (The SILENCE of the Catholic Church on the war (...Actually I heard something lately) ** DEAFENING **)
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To: NYer

hmmm. whassamatter, catholics not falling into line?


28 posted on 11/24/2009 11:42:05 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (the obama doctrine: "let's not rush to any conclusions...")
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To: ElPatriota

Simple answer it is in the Catechism yes But you still have to make sure you are interpreting it right. Because that is how the whole Protestant Reformation started is with people interpreting the Bible to there own desires and wishes.

Example Abortion and Slavery have been justified with the Bible but Catholic church teaching has never justified either

1 Magisterium
2 Tradition (capital T)
3 Scripture
4 Holy Spirit personal revelation

If something has been declare true in the Magisterium it can not be challenge it is done The interpretation may be challenged Not everything is here though
Tradition capital T this is what the church has believe the last 2000 years Now here you have to separate dogma and discipline
Dogma men can only be priest this can never change
discipline married priest this can change
Scripture can be interpreted base within the confines Magisterium and Tradition
Person Revelation Catholic can choose to believe or not to believe unless the church has condemn them But sometimes the condemnation is reversed usually because language or misquotes
Catholic teaching and Apologetic does not lend it self well to one line statement as you can see with my response. Even this response is very light and I could fill a whole book if I wanted
Can you speak up Sure could you be wrong Sure could I be wrong yes but the idea is to have a discussion trying not to get angry and grow in spirituality. Nothing is more decisive that peoples religious beliefs


29 posted on 11/24/2009 12:03:49 PM PST by jroneil (2010 is all that matter now!)
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To: NYer
It IS blackmail. If any priest gets a call from these guys, he should call the cops and asked to be wired. As illegal as hell. The only question is whether the cops are willing to co-operate or whether they have been bought-off. Any crime ins permissible if there is no law enforcement.
30 posted on 11/24/2009 12:07:41 PM PST by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: jroneil

This is like giving up American citizenship because its leaders are corrupt.


31 posted on 11/24/2009 12:10:47 PM PST by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: NYer

This group is doing a service for the Roman Catholic Church. The more homosexual priests and pedophiles that it purges from the Catholic Church, the better.


32 posted on 11/24/2009 12:11:29 PM PST by Nosterrex
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To: RobbyS

Yupe You Got the one liner!


33 posted on 11/24/2009 12:12:47 PM PST by jroneil (2010 is all that matter now!)
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To: ElPatriota
Sorry but I don't agree with you at all!... These are different times, we have means (Internet) to make our voice heard now... To sit on one's a** and let the RCC go the wrong way (as they did with sexual abuses) and do nothing, say nothing... is NOT to love the church. On the contrary, fighting to clean it up and putting their feet to the fire (Bishops), is the way the go, I feel this deep down in my heart. One thing our Bishops have demonstrated is that they can not be trusted... completely. They seem to be caught on the wrong side of things too often.

There's a fine line between speaking up and making oneself holier than the Church. I agree that the laity have had to bear a much greater burden in trying to end abuses, than should have ever taken place, but oftentimes the 'hold the feet to the fire' approach turns into character assassination, calumny, gossip, and outright slander based on misinformation and lies originating elsewhere. In essence, one has to walk a tightrope between constructively critizing a priest/bishop for their failings and criticizing the office itself, which is a grave sin.

Light a candle and you'll shed light on the situation.

Light a torch and you'll shed light on the situation... but maybe burn the place down, too.

34 posted on 11/24/2009 12:23:21 PM PST by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna!)
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To: jroneil
Sorry, you just know too much for me, I mean it. Thank you for trying. I still feel I should speak up the way I'm doing it, even if I don't understand most of what you are saying.

Thanks.

35 posted on 11/24/2009 12:26:43 PM PST by ElPatriota (The SILENCE of the Catholic Church on the war (...Actually I heard something lately) ** DEAFENING **)
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To: ElPatriota

Because I live in New Mexico, I know that the Catholic Church tried to do something about the pedophiles in the Church. Twenty five years before it all became national news we were dealing with them because this is where they were sent to rehabilitate.

They didn’t ignore them, on the advice of psychiatrists, they tried to heal them.

While most parishes are now doing things to make sure that it doesn’t happen again, my parish and diocese have been doing those things since its inception.


36 posted on 11/24/2009 12:30:12 PM PST by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: Rutles4Ever
...In essence, one has to walk a tightrope between constructively critizing a priest/bishop for their failings and criticizing the office itself, which is a grave sin...

I sort of understand what you are saying, but I can't afford that luxury since don't know as much as you do about the church.

So my choices are simple: shut up since I don't know enough to "walk that tightrope" or keep swinging it as I have been doing and let the chips fall where they may. No doing anything is not an option for me.

I still feel that if more Catholics (good ones and not so good ones) would SPEAK UP, the church, human that they are, would clean up faster and be more decisive in doing it. Thanks.

37 posted on 11/24/2009 12:36:56 PM PST by ElPatriota (The SILENCE of the Catholic Church on the war (...Actually I heard something lately) ** DEAFENING **)
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To: Nosterrex

Exactly how does a person prove they are not homosexual if a deliberately false “outing” occurs. How do you protect against malicious false accusations? Once a slanderous statement is out there, it’s impossible to retract from public consciousness.

Is it just me, or does no one think these things through before leaping on the bandwagon?


38 posted on 11/24/2009 12:38:42 PM PST by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna!)
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To: ElPatriota
This is all you need to know, really...

Matthew 11:29

"Learn from me, for I am meek and humble of heart..."

39 posted on 11/24/2009 12:40:21 PM PST by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna!)
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To: ElPatriota

Of course we have the duty to speak up and we do. Recently our priest started talking politics during the homily, not once but twice, I’m sure the bishop got an earful but the priest was called on the carpet and told not to do it again.


40 posted on 11/24/2009 12:42:03 PM PST by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: ElPatriota

1 Do not let initial reaction and raw emotion dictate your response
2 Today with internet it is so easy to look something up and be say 90 percent certain
3 Speak up but do it in a loving manner

You do that you will be right most of the time and I sometimes do only #1 also it is easy to do but it takes patients and practice


41 posted on 11/24/2009 12:42:27 PM PST by jroneil (2010 is all that matter now!)
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To: NYer

Liberalism is a VILE MENTAL DISEASE!!


42 posted on 11/24/2009 12:43:24 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion,,,,,,the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: NYer

I hope they do this. It will backfire on them like they won’t believe. Just like the sex abuse scandal did.


43 posted on 11/24/2009 12:43:29 PM PST by Antoninus (The RNC's dream ticket: Romney / Scozzafava 2012)
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To: jroneil

AMEN!


44 posted on 11/24/2009 12:45:01 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion,,,,,,the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: RobbyS

Good example.


45 posted on 11/24/2009 12:48:51 PM PST by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: Rutles4Ever
Ohhh.... It's actually funny in a way.

You obviously work from the "inside" and take everything according to your beliefs. I have been outside from the church for a long time hoping that someday I would be worthy of reconciling with it but when I was ready to do it, the scandals happened and they really, really shocked me... Especially the way Rome (the big guys) reacted to it.

In short, I see the church from the "outside" so to speak. I see a church that is still "dirty" by what happened and still - ARROGANTLY - has not done ENOUGH to clean itself up, etc, etc, etc.

I know you will probably be offended by my views and will never agree with them the way I think I will never agree with yours. Too bad.

Ok, had enough for today. Bye

46 posted on 11/24/2009 12:52:52 PM PST by ElPatriota (The SILENCE of the Catholic Church on the war (...Actually I heard something lately) ** DEAFENING **)
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To: tiki

Good, then we can get rid of the priests who are violating their vows. That would be wonderful.


47 posted on 11/24/2009 12:53:07 PM PST by BenKenobi
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To: New Yawk Minute
Straight people, couldnt even get them to take a second look at their birth control issues.

The Catholic Church has no "birth control issues." The rest of the world does. That much should be very obvious by this point.
48 posted on 11/24/2009 12:55:51 PM PST by Antoninus (The RNC's dream ticket: Romney / Scozzafava 2012)
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To: tiki

I could more easily change my country than my Faith.


49 posted on 11/24/2009 12:57:40 PM PST by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: ElPatriota

At my parish I am good friends with the priest, I tell him like it is, others go straight to the bishop. Biblically, we are to take these things directly to our brother and then if they refuse to listen then take it to the whole church.


50 posted on 11/24/2009 12:59:08 PM PST by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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