Posted on 11/24/2009 10:09:43 AM PST by NYer
Outing them would be the right thing to do. I don’t think the Church will bless them and say it’s ok to be gay. At least we will know who they are and be able to keep children away from them. So go ahead.
Don't be so sure... They may not do it OPENLY... But just look at their actions, The SILENCE as I call it... Even today the rumors exist... IOW, look at their ACTIONS rather than their words.
Is that you Oliver Cromwell?
Yes within the confines of church teaching. We the faithful are also oblige to preach the faith and correct BUT and this is a serious BUT we can not judge their soul that is for GOD alone. The Church always believes someone can repent and that is why they allowed a lot of the abuse to go on early on. In the case of bishop and priest abuse it should have been reported to the authorities and when they have served there punishment. They should have removed them from situations where temptation would cause them to repeat their sin. Even the general society still does not know how to deal with these people do we lock them up forever are restriction enough the jury is still out.
Don't get mad. Get even.
What does that mean?... Can we speak up or not?
Let me put it another way. I certainly SPEAK UP... am I doing it "withing the confines of the church teaching, etc?"
Oh maybe what you are saying is that I should keep my mouth shut? Please be CLEAR.
hmmm. whassamatter, catholics not falling into line?
Simple answer it is in the Catechism yes But you still have to make sure you are interpreting it right. Because that is how the whole Protestant Reformation started is with people interpreting the Bible to there own desires and wishes.
Example Abortion and Slavery have been justified with the Bible but Catholic church teaching has never justified either
1 Magisterium
2 Tradition (capital T)
3 Scripture
4 Holy Spirit personal revelation
If something has been declare true in the Magisterium it can not be challenge it is done The interpretation may be challenged Not everything is here though
Tradition capital T this is what the church has believe the last 2000 years Now here you have to separate dogma and discipline
Dogma men can only be priest this can never change
discipline married priest this can change
Scripture can be interpreted base within the confines Magisterium and Tradition
Person Revelation Catholic can choose to believe or not to believe unless the church has condemn them But sometimes the condemnation is reversed usually because language or misquotes
Catholic teaching and Apologetic does not lend it self well to one line statement as you can see with my response. Even this response is very light and I could fill a whole book if I wanted
Can you speak up Sure could you be wrong Sure could I be wrong yes but the idea is to have a discussion trying not to get angry and grow in spirituality. Nothing is more decisive that peoples religious beliefs
This is like giving up American citizenship because its leaders are corrupt.
This group is doing a service for the Roman Catholic Church. The more homosexual priests and pedophiles that it purges from the Catholic Church, the better.
Yupe You Got the one liner!
There's a fine line between speaking up and making oneself holier than the Church. I agree that the laity have had to bear a much greater burden in trying to end abuses, than should have ever taken place, but oftentimes the 'hold the feet to the fire' approach turns into character assassination, calumny, gossip, and outright slander based on misinformation and lies originating elsewhere. In essence, one has to walk a tightrope between constructively critizing a priest/bishop for their failings and criticizing the office itself, which is a grave sin.
Light a candle and you'll shed light on the situation.
Light a torch and you'll shed light on the situation... but maybe burn the place down, too.
Thanks.
Because I live in New Mexico, I know that the Catholic Church tried to do something about the pedophiles in the Church. Twenty five years before it all became national news we were dealing with them because this is where they were sent to rehabilitate.
They didn’t ignore them, on the advice of psychiatrists, they tried to heal them.
While most parishes are now doing things to make sure that it doesn’t happen again, my parish and diocese have been doing those things since its inception.
I sort of understand what you are saying, but I can't afford that luxury since don't know as much as you do about the church.
So my choices are simple: shut up since I don't know enough to "walk that tightrope" or keep swinging it as I have been doing and let the chips fall where they may. No doing anything is not an option for me.
I still feel that if more Catholics (good ones and not so good ones) would SPEAK UP, the church, human that they are, would clean up faster and be more decisive in doing it. Thanks.
Exactly how does a person prove they are not homosexual if a deliberately false “outing” occurs. How do you protect against malicious false accusations? Once a slanderous statement is out there, it’s impossible to retract from public consciousness.
Is it just me, or does no one think these things through before leaping on the bandwagon?
Matthew 11:29
"Learn from me, for I am meek and humble of heart..."
Of course we have the duty to speak up and we do. Recently our priest started talking politics during the homily, not once but twice, I’m sure the bishop got an earful but the priest was called on the carpet and told not to do it again.
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