Skip to comments.Discrimination Against Intelligent Design Film Cited in California Science Center Lawsuit
Posted on 11/25/2009 10:15:23 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
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Those of us who have carried on debates on highly charged subjects here on FR have pretty much seen it all.
The “you are an idiot compared to me” tactic is played all the time, and easily recognizable. Usually the poster wants you to respond by claiming you are ‘smarter’, or ‘know it all’ so they then can try to prove to you how they have this one niche of expertize which should cause us all to go prostrate at their feet.
They come here (FR) to ‘teach’, not to ‘learn’. And that is their loss.
And right you are, the contract was valid from all reports and whatever someone else says about the event has nothing to do with it.
I suppose the Center agreed before they rec'd their orders from above (The Great Mythsonian).
It do get funny after a while. Cheers!
It depends in how you define anti-American. Besides, elections have consequences. If we want to change government policy we need to change those we elect.
So is the complaint about a contract being broken or that id/creationism don’t belong in a scientific forum?
“More details are now coming out from the lawsuit filed against the California Science Center by the American Freedom Alliance (AFA), filed in the Superior Court for the State of California for the County of Los Angeles (Central District). AFA’s lawsuit contends that the California Science Center engaged in viewpoint discrimination when cancelling AFA’s contract to screen the pro-intelligent design (ID) documentary Darwins Dilemma at the Centers IMAX Theatre on October 25th.”
The California Science Center relies on California General Fund support. By California state law the charter of the CSC prohibits nonsecular activities and programming. This mandates "viewpoint discrimination". As a California taxpayer I do not want my hard earned money going to promote any secular activities or, in the case of the California Science Center, non-science related materials like YEC and other "Chariots of the Gods" like pseudo science.
Perhaps you can quote or show that “state charter”? The school has a state charter and the foundation by law has it’s bylaws but what is the charter of the Center that prohibits “non-secular” activities?
Either you are sloppy or intentionally misrepresenting my statement;
1) There is no "state charter". There is the CA constitution and CA state law. You can find it all at http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/calaw.html
2) The California Science Center is NOT a school.
“The California Science Center relies on California General Fund support. By California state law the CHARTER of the CSC prohibits nonsecular activities and programming. This mandates “viewpoint discrimination”. AND
“1) There is no “state charter. There is the CA constitution and CA state law.” 2) The California Science Center is NOT a school.”
That's good since I didn't say it was a school.
“You can find it all at
I'm not going to wade through the entire California legal code to find what you say is there but cannot produce.
However a 30 second search of google produced:
“Science Center School
Learn about the elementary school located on our campus.....
Imagine an elementary school with all of the resources a teacher or parent could ever want. Its located near world-class museums, a major university and a state-of-the-art teacher professional development center. The school features an integrated curriculum emphasizing science, mathematics and the use of technology. Its teachers are fully credentialed with a demonstrated ability to make science and math engaging and accessible to their students. And its not a magnet school but, rather, a neighborhood school for underserved groups of children and their parents. While such a school seems like a dream, it is a dream that has become reality in South Los Angeles, the result of more than a decade of collaborative work between the California Science Center and the Los Angeles Unified School District (LAUSD).
PS...IT'S A CHARTER SCHOOL! On the grounds!
I don't think it's me that is sloppy or misrepresenting.
Your post: "The school has a state charter and the foundation by law has its bylaws."
There’s been a lot of bad blood between the Smithsonian and the Discovery Institute for quite some time. Illustra Media, the production company that produces this film appears to be a shell company created by the Discovery Institute, so I’m no surprised that the Smithsonian isn’t happy about it.
But where is this mandate that requires discrimination on the basis of the renter's beliefs and opinions? Basically when it comes to public facilities being rented out it's rent to all or rent to none.
I can rent a publicly funded library room or tax supported school auditorium when not in use if others, Hare Krishna's, Darwin doubters and believers, Prayer clubs, or whatever are allowed to and I don't have to meet an ideological test.
If I'm not allowed then no one is allowed.
And what relationship or ‘bad blood’ exists between the Smithsonian and the Discovery Institute is also irrelevant as the contract wasn't between the Discovery Institute and the Smithsonian.
They do indeed. Sometimes those "certain purposes" are honorable, and other times not so much.
Hopefully the Science Center will do the right thing and honor its contract but if not then the courts will have to sort it out.
And hopefully they will act in accordance with the law.
Hoepfully, justice will be done.
David Berlinski, Ph.D. Philosophy (Princeton University) and post-doc fellow in mathematics and molecular biology (Columbia University) speaks about flaws in Darwinism and peer pressure among scientists to conform to the “party line” in science.