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Methodist Bishops Urge Surrender in Afghanistan
Institute on Religion & Democracy IRD, Mark Tooley, FrontPage ^ | 25 November 2009 | Mark Tooley of the IRD

Posted on 11/27/2009 4:55:34 AM PST by mbarker12474

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Note the historical movement of Methodist episcopacy political opinion. Tooley says the "dwindling flock no longer seriously heeds their political posturing." I say the dwindling flock trends a bit conservative, but these conservatives are largely ignorant of their membership in and support for what is now an apostate political advocacy organization. The flock also trends toward the mushy lukewarm theological middle.

The flock does not ignore the posturing of the radical denomination, the flock is instead oblivious to this posturing, and deliberately, consciously, wants to remain that way.

The UMC doesn't incorage scripture reading, the clergy preaches very little from scripture, and the flock relies on its own reasoning, rather than God's word, for its understanding of truth. They are lukewarm, and in serious jeopardy of being vomited out of Christ's mouth.

1 posted on 11/27/2009 4:55:35 AM PST by mbarker12474
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To: mbarker12474

False prophets and ignorant, self-serving fools who have strayed so far from the gospel of Jesus Christ and the God of Abraham that it is difficult to see how they could ever find their way back.


2 posted on 11/27/2009 5:00:21 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (Socialism is hip until somebody loses a paycheck)
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To: mbarker12474
In 1980, I discovered that the UMC is not a church at all. It is an ultra, left-wing political party which has fooled most of its members into believing that it is a church.

However, its members should share much of the blame because most members think the UMC is a social club.

In any event, as soon as I realized what the UMC really is, I left it and became a Roman Catholic just as fast as I could. I like a church that doesn't take a vote every four years to see what it should believe today.

3 posted on 11/27/2009 5:01:48 AM PST by Rum Tum Tugger
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To: mbarker12474

John and Charles Wesley would denounce and disown this bunch of poseurs.


4 posted on 11/27/2009 5:07:54 AM PST by RoadTest (Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. John 3:3)
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“as soon as I realized what the UMC really is, I left it and became a Roman Catholic just as fast as I could.z”

Out of the frying pan into the fire.


5 posted on 11/27/2009 5:09:25 AM PST by RoadTest (Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. John 3:3)
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To: mbarker12474

My cousin ended up getting recruited (mostly for her liberal beliefs and persuasion) to be a minister for the UMC. She got a complete tuition deal and was fully accredited by these guys.

Her background in Biblical studies? Barely worth noting. They tend to do a lot of philosophical debates and work closely on social issues mostly. If you look at the typical membership now...it’s entirely middle and lower-class families...those on the borderline of poverty. You almost get the impression of a recruitment wing for some liberal group.

I don’t want to dump on the church...but they aren’t exactly being honest in their words or actions.


6 posted on 11/27/2009 5:12:13 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: reagan_fanatic

I suggest the “bishops” go there personally to arrange the terms.


7 posted on 11/27/2009 5:16:03 AM PST by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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I don’t want to dump on the church...

It's becoming plain to see that the UMC has morphed into a dump.

Instead of concentrating on saving souls and preaching the Gospel the UMC, like a few other pseudo-Christian denominations have decided to move away from their original mission and muddle things up worse than the current communist administration.

I predict a further exodus from the UMC.

8 posted on 11/27/2009 5:37:50 AM PST by IbJensen (America being militarily and economically strong isn't enough: We must be morally strong!)
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MY family have been Methodist for generations... we are no longer Methodists... but we are and have always been Christians. NOTHING will ever change that. We cannot in good faith, give money to evil people and their evil organization.

LLS

9 posted on 11/27/2009 5:57:25 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (hussama will never be my president... NEVER!)
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“They are lukewarm, and in serious jeopardy of being vomited out of Christ’s mouth. “

Amen!
I was raised in the Methodist church and don’t have a problem with the theology but you are right. The leadership have become apostate, the sheeple in the pews are so stupid and passive they will follow anybody. This is true mostly in the northern Methodist churches. I think there is a remnant in the south that are still followers of Christ.


10 posted on 11/27/2009 6:01:20 AM PST by vanilla swirl (Maranatha!)
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Welcome to the Catholic Church, friend. Glad to have you. But don’t put down your dukes yet. The battle is joined: the fight goes on.


11 posted on 11/27/2009 6:03:00 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (What does the LORD require of you, but to do justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God)
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Yep, the Methodist Church tossed out the Gospel several years back...


12 posted on 11/27/2009 6:14:42 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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Did they also make a statement about merging with the Unitarian Church? It’s bound to happen sooner or later.


13 posted on 11/27/2009 6:15:10 AM PST by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: Rum Tum Tugger
There were other options, and jumping from the Untied Methodists to a more traditional "form" really didn't get you what you want.

Better to have become an ecumenical missionary in the bush somewhere. Be good for your soul.

On the other hand, mealy-mouthed preachers droning on delivering mealy-mouthed sermons has been the UMC standard for more than a century.

I've attended such services ~ but outside of the religious part they're great in supporting Boy Scout troops, etc. Think of it as a social club with tax exempt meeting rooms of just the sizes needed for your groups.

BTW, the UMC is second only to the Christian Church (DOC) in the percentage of ex-Catholic members ~ so this goes both ways.

14 posted on 11/27/2009 6:52:03 AM PST by muawiyah (Git Out The Way)
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Mine, too. I stopped going to the UMC after my pastor blamed 9/11 on World Hunger. He also said ‘we must redistribute the wealth so that everyone has enough’. Socialism from the pulpit. I tried other denominations but my Methodism has been so ingrained that it’s difficult to listen to another’s teachings. Maybe someday I’ll find a good fit. I miss the Methodist Church of my youth (the 50’s).


15 posted on 11/27/2009 6:52:36 AM PST by originalbuckeye
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To: mbarker12474

There is only one word that applies to Afstan, Victory.


16 posted on 11/27/2009 6:58:23 AM PST by Rappini ("Pro deo et Patria.)
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These people are nuts, however, since Obama won’t let our troops return fire, we should get them out of there as fast as possible and just switch to carpet bombing from 70,000 feet.


17 posted on 11/27/2009 8:55:29 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Ali Obama and the 40 Czars.)
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Mine was in the 60’s and it was all about Christ and his teachings... but no more... so I hit the door. I wish I could fine a Church not steeped in politics and agendas... and not filled with left-wing anti-GOD types... but there are none.

LLS

18 posted on 11/28/2009 4:54:19 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (hussama will never be my president... NEVER!)
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To: LibLieSlayer

We left the ELCA for the LCMS and have not been sorry for one minute.


19 posted on 11/28/2009 3:59:42 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma (Al Franken--the face of the third-party voters)
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Freepmail me some info if you have access to any and have the time. Thanks.

LLS


20 posted on 11/29/2009 5:25:19 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (hussama will never be my president... NEVER!)
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