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1 posted on 12/02/2009 10:54:13 AM PST by Loud Mime
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2 posted on 12/02/2009 10:56:23 AM PST by Loud Mime (The time to water the tree of liberty approaches...)
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12 posted on 12/02/2009 11:50:22 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Loud Mime

It is important that Americans understand the difference between federalism and anti-federalism. This is because all at once, they seem to overlap, state the opposite case, and state other cases entirely.

“Federalism” on its surface, means “a national government responsive to its individual States.” As such, most of the time, the national government has primacy, but at times, the States can as a group assert primacy. However, in practice it means a *balance* between the power of the federal government and that of the States. It does so with mechanisms found in the constitution. But those mechanisms go far beyond federalism.

For example, most Americans know of the balance that is supposed to exist between the three branches of the federal government. But likewise, there is supposed to be a balance between the powers *outside* of the federal government, in *creating* the federal government. And this is how we achieve “republican democracy.”

The people elect “the people’s house”, the House of Representatives. As originally intended, the individual States are supposed to appoint the United States Senators, though this power was stripped from the States with the 17th Amendment, the direct election of senators. The electoral college was created to overcome the dilemma of a close contest in the presidential election, as an “ad hoc” group of delegates *not* controlled by the US congress. And finally, the president appoints Supreme Court justices, again with the approval of the States, by their delegates, the US senators

A complicated balancing act.

Instead of calling themselves “anti-federalists”, more properly they should have been called “confederates”, because at the time of the constitution of the United States, they did not want primacy in the national government, but wanted the national government to work as the agent of the individual States.

Their idea, of an “articles of confederation” of the United States, was at the time the true opposite of a strong national government in the form of federalism, and remained so through the US Civil War.

Importantly, there was considerable legitimacy in their arguments, because even from the outset of a constitutional government in the United States, George Washington was the first president to seriously violate the constitution by using the military against the people, in the “Whiskey Rebellion”. And ever since that time, the national government has tried and succeeded in enlarging its power at the expense of the individual States and the people.

So even though today “federalists” advocating “federalism”, are calling for power to be returned from the national government to the individual States and to the people, at the onset of the republic, the “federalists”, especially Alexander Hamilton, were calling for a strong national government.

Conversely, the “anti-federalists” back then, who were truly “confederates”, continued with their criticisms of the national government and the US constitution, again all the way up to the US Civil War, when they wrote their “Constitution of the Confederate States of America”. This is a document that should be reviewed by modern federalists, because setting aside the issue of slavery, the confederates made some interesting and wise changes, such as the presidential line item veto.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederate_Constitution

(full text)

http://www.usconstitution.net/csa.html

So today, while “federalists” look for a return to the balance of power between the national government, and the State governments and the people, there is no good name for those who support an even more centralized and powerful national government.

Other than “tyrants”, I suppose.

Today’s federalists are again aligned with the anti-federalist confederates, both seeking the restoration of a constitutional government that is no longer running wild, spending beyond any sense of reason, pursuing everlasting foreign entanglements, and no longer entirely loyal to our nation, beholden to other interests.

Instead, the individual States once again need to appoint US senators, and thus we need a repeal of the 17th Amendment, and again the individual States need to stand between and protect the people from the direct power of the national government. This would be achieved by the repeal of the 16th Amendment, the Income Tax, and its replacement with a more orderly form of taxation.


24 posted on 12/02/2009 1:18:32 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Loud Mime

Excellent and timely choice...add me to the ping list please!


32 posted on 12/02/2009 2:46:44 PM PST by mick (Central Banker Capitalism is NOT Free Enterprise)
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To: Loud Mime

Sign me up too!!!


39 posted on 12/02/2009 7:42:18 PM PST by DMZFrank
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To: Loud Mime

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40 posted on 12/02/2009 10:03:31 PM PST by JDoutrider
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To: Loud Mime

While not within this particular letter, I have a Constitutional question.
Does the SCOTUS have final control over the other branches of gum’t. In particular, can a debt holder sue to stop the fedrool administrative/legislative unConstitutional actions and misappropriations, and force the USA into receivership? The people own the property, yet the gum’t is not using it wisely (ie: lands stopped from developing oil, coal, gas, paths to our own energy security).
Can the Court order a complete and accurate accounting and hold liable those who have stolen from us?
How do we start?


41 posted on 12/03/2009 5:23:55 AM PST by WVKayaker (www.wherezobama.org / Obama's Excellent Adventure ...)
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To: Loud Mime
But the fact is, that we already hear it whispered in the private circles of those who oppose the new Constitution, that the thirteen States are of too great extent for any general system

Seems like the same strawman Jay employed in #2. Where was there a serious argument for disunion?? I don't know of any. It wasn't argued that 13 colonies was too big for ANY form of union. The opponents of the Constitution wanted to preserve the CONFEDERACY under the Articles of Confederation. What they argued was that the Union was too big for a SINGLE, CONSOLIDATED, NATIONAL government. A league of states, working together in Congress, was fine.

We defeated the British WITHOUT the Constitution.

43 posted on 12/09/2009 8:10:09 AM PST by Huck (The Constitution is an outrageous insult to the men who fought the Revolution." -Patrick Henry)
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