Obama birthplace attorney files new allegations

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[Non-Sequitur]

Folks can say what they will, but I am thankful for her.

So am I.

[Non-Sequitur]

Folks can say what they will, but I am thankful for her.

So am I.

[Sibre Fan]

Brytani asked "How does the use of a website by Orly diminish her cause while the use of a website by Obama’s defense team strengthen their case?

First, I'm not sure that's an accurate statement. I just re-read the DOJ's Motion to Dismiss and two replies in Barnett and can't find any mention of the COLB. I checked the docs in Kerchner and couldn't find mention of it there either.

However, I do seem to recall it being mentioned somewhere - but the difference is that, unlike Orly, neither Obama's attorneys nor the DOJ have ever submitted the COLB as evidence that he was born in the United States. If I recall correctly, a passing mention was made that he'd posted a copy of his COLB on his campaign website. That's it. In contrast, Orly submits copies of stuff downloaded from the internet and/or emailed to her -- as EVIDENCE -- without authenticating it at all. That's a huge, big difference.

I also question why judges; who have dismissed eligibility cases from various lawyers, have referenced “fight the smears” or other websites as a reason for dismissal.

That has not happened - in any state or federal court. Judges have mentioned it in passing too. They have never relied upon that information to support their holding. All the holdings have been based on whether the court has jurisdiction - and the facts surrounding Obama's birth have no impact on that question.

Btw...I’m not being a smart ass asking this question, I’ve wondered for a while why so many people object to Orly using websites in her briefs when Obama’s team does the exact same thing.

They're good questions, I think. The upshot is that it is NOT the "exact" same thing - at all. The situations are completely different: Asking a court to accept a website as EVIDENCE is not at all the same thing as mentioning something as background/context.

[PAR35]

From her declaration:

“The report showed Mr. Obama’s date of birth to be 08.01.09”

This should be in breaking news. Obama is only 4 months old, and is thus ineligible. She should concentrate on the age issue, rather than the citizenship issue.
http://totalbuzz.freedomblogging.com/files/2009/12/orly12-3-09a.pdf

He is kind of big for a 4 month old. Interesting to see what he looks like when he gets a little older.

[Non-Sequitur]

....which is allegedly an immigration forum for Obama."

Yeah, we can tell by the heading "Background Report". So Obama emigrated to the U.S. this year?

[jamese777]

Thanks Brytani! You asked the same question I have! I also wonder why Obama is paying so many attorneys to keep his records sealed when just showing his actual long form birth certificate would end all the court cases.

Even Sarah was asked about the BC issue as to weather she thought the questions were fair game. She replied that since media people had asked for proof that Trig was her baby by showing his birth certificate, that certainly Americans should be able to ask Obama to show his!

Thought that was a great point! So WHY won’t Obama just end all the cases and answer the very simple question concerning his place of birth? What is he hiding???

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It is an internet rumor that Obama is paying “millions” to attorneys. Since inauguration day, the US Justice Department provides Obama with Justice Department attorneys and before he was inaugurated, he only presented a defense in two cases, the original Berg v Obama in which his attorneys submitted a brief asking for a dismissal by the US District Court in Pennsylvania. The dismissal motion was granted and the US Supreme Court subsequently refused to hear the case. The other case was Keyes v Bowen in California that Orly Taitz is still contesting.
The American taxpayer provides Obama with his attorneys.
A majority of the 88 lawsuits that have been filed challenging Obama’s eligibility don’t even name Obama as a defendant.
For example, the recent case in Indiana which attempted to force Obama (and McCain) to prove that he (they) is (are) a native born citizen(s) was Ankeney v Mitch Daniels, Governor of Indiana. That suit forced the Republican Governor of Indiana (Mitch Daniels) to defend Obama because the suit challenged the state of Indiana’s method of verifying eligibilty before the votes of Indiana’s Electoral College appointees. The Indiana Court of Appeals dismissed that suit.

[Sibre Fan]

...I also wonder why Obama is paying so many attorneys to keep his records sealed when just showing his actual long form birth certificate would end all the court cases.

First, Obama isn't paying "so many attorneys." His attorneys have appeared in only three of the 60+ cases, and DOJ has appeared in only seven. In those cases, while Orly and other plaintiffs have been prolific filers, the defense has filed very few documents - which make the same fundamental arguments that all defendants (including McCain) make when jurisdiction is at issue.

Second, as Orly and Kerchner and Hemenway have made crystal clear in their court documents, "just showing his actual long form birth certificate" would end absolutely nothing. These attorneys (and other plaintiffs) say that it doesn't matter where Obama was born because his father was a UK citizen and so, under their "theory," he's not a NBC even if he was born in the US. So, in truth, there's no point -- or advantage to Obama at all -- in producing his long form, because that will have exactly ZERO effect on plaintiffs' two-citizen parent argument.

[browardchad]

Looks like someone just unloaded a dumptruck of pure lunacy on the Court, complete with a muffler hose schematic, hate mail, a statement that "The report showed Mr. Obama’s date of birth to be 08.01.09. and not 08.04.09."

I seriously doubt that Taitz is "free of any mental disease and psychological impairment."

[OldDeckHand]

"The subpoena would be quashed, and testimony as to what a document purports to say is not acceptable when the document is in existence and available."

It wouldn't be quashed. He cited the relevant HI statute for you. I recommend you read it. Testimony would be allowed by FRCP Rule 44(1)(B) - Proving an Official Record. I suggest you familiarize yourself with that as well, lest you make yourself look silly. It requires that an official record be under seal andattested by the appropriate government officer, or their deputy. That may be done in person, or by sworn affidavit or statement.

Everyday, in courtrooms all across America, certified copies of official documents are entered and accepted into the record, because it would be impractical (and possibly against statutory law) to remove the original documents. What you say is nonsense, just gibberish.

[Canedawg]

Actually, your entire post is gibberish.

it’s funny how posters who support obozo’s decision to refuse to produce the BC do not have a clear understanding of the law.

There is no proceeding in hawaii pursuant to which teh DA would or could subpoena the document. He can not do it in a vacuum. I suggest YOU also familiarize yourself with the first Executive Order signed by Obozo as well as the law of evidence, before you put your silly agenda above the actual law.

[OldDeckHand]

"There is no proceeding in hawaii pursuant to which teh DA would or could subpoena the document."

Natch. Like most birthers, you're heavy on conspiracy theories, and light on actual citations. No surprise here.

[Canedawg]

And you’re a moron.

Have a nice day.

[OldDeckHand]

"And you’re a moron."

Coming from a birther, I'll take that as a compliment, and a reaffirmation of my sanity and intellect.

[El Sordo]

Page 6 is interesting.

Not sure of the make and model of her car, but it looks more like someone was conspiring to give her bad gas mileage.

[browardchad]

Unless Barack Obama (who Orly is now accusing of being Roman Obama) gained about 30 pounds around the age of 31, had male pattern baldness, lost several inches in height, had his ears pinned (and later unpinned), and had extensive plastic surgery, there is no possible way that they could be the same person.

And what does her new claim that Obama was born in Equatorial Guinea mean in light of all the cases she has filed saying he was born in Kenya?

Funny thing is, that Roman Obama, who looks nothing like Barack Obama, is described as born in Equatorial Guinea. But, of course, that there “Intelligator" Database can't possibly have mangled a news story into a data record, could it? Why, it's on the internet -- it must be true!

[Brytani]

I can only think of two reasons Obama will not show his vault b/c or release his educational/passport etc records.

1. They prove he is not eligible under the NBC provision and possibly shows he’s not even a legal citizen of the US.

2. Obama is a narcissist. He believes himself to be God’s gift to the world. Why should he prove anything to the peons beneath him? After all, he won! How dare those serfs question him....

I listened to Sarah’s interview giving a slight hat tip to the birther issue. I can see the media using her comments either in context or twisted to attack her as one of those “racist birthers”. For simply stating that the media would go after her I was called “stupid” and was accused of either attacking Palin or accused of believing Obama has proven his eligibility.

Pretty funny given that I support and consider Roaddog727 a very good friend....lol

While she brought up a good point about the media and those on the left demanding she prove Trig is her son. I wish she would have added to her statement either one or both of the following points.

First, McCain’s eligibility was questioned by a small group of leftists triggering congressional hearings affirming McCain’s eligibility. Millions of people are questioning Obama’s eligibility yet Congress blows off those concerns.

Second point she could have added is how after she was picked for the VP slot, the media sent hundreds of people all over digging up dirt on her and her family. When it came to Obama the media couldn’t be bothered, in fact many in the media flat out refused to even cover anything that would be harmful to the Obama mystique the media literally built.

Today, a year after he’s been in office we still know nothing about his background leaving many Americans to wonder who the hell is this guy and what is he hiding.

Climategate is being called the scandal of the century, I personally think it comes second to ObamaGate.

[BuckeyeTexan]

Ping to Orly Taitz whack-a-mole thread. She’s at it again. (Thx, Drew68)

[BuckeyeTexan]

Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner.

Orly Taitz is either mentally ill, an attention whore, or working for Obama.

[deport]

I suggest YOU also familiarize yourself with the first Executive Order signed by Obozo as well as the law of evidence, before you put your silly agenda above the actual law.

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What does that EO have to do with anything Orly is attempting to do? Isn’t that order basically bringing the Presidential Records info/release back to what the EO President Reagan signed back in his day and was changed by the EO President G.W. Bush revised shortly upon taking office in 2001?

[tired_old_conservative]

“This is NOT going away! The truth WILL come out!”

Well, if it does, it won’t come from anything this bizarre excuse for a lawyer does.