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The Curious Case of Air Tran flight 297
The Marietta (Georgia) Daily Journal ^ | December 6, 2009 | Laura B. Armstrong

Posted on 12/06/2009 11:30:27 AM PST by campfollower

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To: StolarStorm

How far off was the timing on the ACARS?

5 minutes? or One hour? That would help explain some issues.

But, and point must be raised, where are the other passenger’s e-mails about their experiences? There should be some supporting or disproving the accounts!


121 posted on 12/07/2009 12:25:16 PM PST by RaceBannon (OBAMA'S HEALTH CARE IS SHOVEL READY...FOR SENIORS!!:: NObama. Not my president.)
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To: Tahoe3002

“Time to play cowboys and muslims. But for real.”

I hear that sentiment more and more every day.


122 posted on 12/07/2009 12:49:30 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: MindBender26

Which of your other assertions of fact are ‘simply’ your beliefs?


123 posted on 12/07/2009 1:39:16 PM PST by nina0113
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To: RaceBannon
ACARS data was all over the place. There was no set deviation. It depended on how well the systems were maintained. Could be minutes could be hours.

As for the other other passenger's emails, there has been that third witness, but yes, I wish there were more. However, it is possible that many are leery of being put in the same cross hairs that Petruna has been put in... and the potential for a US Airways type of lawsuit against passengers could be weighing on them as well. According to Petruna, he was told to sign a document saying he would not discuss the incident. Maybe true, maybe not.
124 posted on 12/07/2009 1:43:56 PM PST by StolarStorm
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To: nina0113
I have given up on all of you. You want to believe this one so much you have suspended what little logical thought process you had.

You are now all blocked.

125 posted on 12/07/2009 1:56:22 PM PST by MindBender26 (Never kick Dems when they're down. Wait 'till they're 1/2 way back up. You get much better leverage!)
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To: MindBender26

What I WANT is the truth. You claimed to have it. You posted all kinds of assertions as facts, then backpedalled when called on them.


126 posted on 12/07/2009 2:00:17 PM PST by nina0113
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To: MindBender26; nina0113
LOL. I think he ran away when he was called on making stuff up... just as he was saying that Petruna was doing. Can you say, hypocrite?

Anyway, how can we block people? I didn't know that was a feature on FR.

I don't think Petruna is being 100% accurate, but I think there was enough truth in it for this to be a valid issue of concern.
127 posted on 12/07/2009 2:27:34 PM PST by StolarStorm
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To: azkathy
I personally am laughing at his unsuccessful disinformation campaign. In my opinion FReepers are smarter than that and much better at critical thinking.

Amen! You and me both, Sister FReeper!

128 posted on 12/07/2009 3:02:25 PM PST by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent.)
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To: MindBender26
You COWARD! Yeeeeeesh. You haven't come up with one single straight answer to ANY of my questions. Why? BECAUSE YOU CANNOT. Come on -- you said that local tv and radio stations in Houston interviewed "dozens" of people, including cops and military ... give us the names of just seven? I'd settle for that, and if they really WERE interviewed on broadcast media, certainly you can get their names. Some links? You brag about being such a critical thinker and stickler for truth, but when you're asked to verify your own claims, you chicken out.

You are a phony baloney. I suspect you are a bigger liar than Petruna.

129 posted on 12/07/2009 3:07:41 PM PST by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent.)
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To: Finny

You are out of line with those kind of attacks on Mindbender. Cool it.


130 posted on 12/07/2009 3:09:04 PM PST by OwenKellogg (GOE 1, July 4, Sep 12, and Nov 7 DC rallies)
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To: StolarStorm; MindBender26
Anyway, how can we block people? I didn't know that was a feature on FR.

We can't. It was just ONE MORE THING MindBender is lying about. And he calls Petruna the phony! Remember folks, THIS is the kind of guy who was reporting network TV news for three-plus decades. I bet Ron Burgunday ain't got nuthin' on him!!!

Then again, Bender may have been lying about that, too.

131 posted on 12/07/2009 3:11:13 PM PST by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent.)
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To: Quix; Blogger

I spoke with my friend who is in the security consulting business. While he does not know Brent Brown, he has mutual clients with them, and has a generally favorable impression of them based on his conversations with the mutual clients. In short, Brent Brown is “real” and almost certainly credible, is his take on this.

My friend designs security and access control systems for commercial and institutional buildings, and Chesley Brown primarily provides security guard services, just to explain their industry connections.


132 posted on 12/07/2009 3:19:15 PM PST by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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To: OwenKellogg
In the context of this discussion, how is one single word I wrote in that post out of line? The guy fails to respond with links to verify his claims (it should be simple enough for him to do), he fails completely to engage in debate, sidesteps every single question, and then when some of us here don't just say, "Oh, okay ... if you say so we must be gullible fools for questioning a very weak and silly "official" news story (that he has, incidentally, IGNORED, in case you haven't been paying attention), he huffs off saying he's "given up" on all of us, insulted us by attacking our capacity for "logical though process," and then told us we were blocked --

-- and I called him out for cowardly behavior and probably lying -- after all, he hasn't been able to confirm a single one of his claims to me. NOT ONE.

Why aren't you telling HIM that he's out of line telling all of us that we "have suspended what little logical thought process you had"?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm????

133 posted on 12/07/2009 3:22:51 PM PST by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent.)
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To: StolarStorm
I don't think Petruna is being 100% accurate, but I think there was enough truth in it for this to be a valid issue of concern.

I think there is WAY MORE THAN ENOUGH questionable and evasive, vague reporting in the AJC report sourcing AirTran and TSA to indicate that there was something really stinky going on on Flight 297.

Just thinking critically -- as our brave and courageous friend MindBender admonished us to do (but failed to do himself).

134 posted on 12/07/2009 3:25:54 PM PST by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent.)
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To: Finny; OwenKellogg

I concur. In what way was Finny out of line? Have you read the condescending comments MindBender has made to those that are questioning the official story? In addition, did you notice that he did THE EXACT SAME THING that he is accusing Petruna of doing... making up stuff. Don’t you find that disingenuous? It stinks to high heaven.


135 posted on 12/07/2009 3:33:23 PM PST by StolarStorm
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To: OwenKellogg
Owen -- Then why don't you take a gander? Tell me how it is that out of a dozen people travelling together, not one of them could act as a translater for the passenger who couldn't speak English.

Tell me how it is that any self-respecting reporter would settle for AirTran and TSA stating that a passenger seated behind the offfender who caused the plane to return to the gate said she "believed" he was speaking Spanish (you mean she couldn't tell? THAT's a credible witness???) and how that reporter didn't follow up with "How would a passenger who only speaks Spanish pose a language-translator problem on a domestic flight bound for Texas?"

Mindbender stated that local radio and TV stations in Houston had interviewed "dozens" of people who had been on the flight. Do you mean to tell me that not a single one of those stations could be reached by him to give him the names, or a youtube, or archived audio, of those interviews, so he could prove the claim?

The guy is a coward and probably a liar. I call 'em as I see 'em, and this Flight 297 thing stinks like yesterday's diapers -- and so does MindBender. He didn't at first -- a few days ago, I was really thinking he'd have me eating crow when he proved his claims, and as I have eaten crow before served up by fellow FReepers, well ... that's life. But he turned out not only to be a phony, but an insulting coward in the bargain.

Why coudln't he answer those three items I've posted to you in this post, and what are YOUR answers for them?

136 posted on 12/07/2009 3:34:45 PM PST by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent.)
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To: FreedomPoster

Thanks for the confirmation.


137 posted on 12/07/2009 4:25:12 PM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 TRAITORS http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: nina0113

Mindbender lies worst than the AJC and Air Tran..


138 posted on 12/07/2009 8:02:07 PM PST by Irisshlass
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To: MindBender26

The Atlanta Journal/Const. and Alexis Stephens the reporter were in the process of culling their people due to the Obama recession when this incident happened. Amid the slashing and burning of reporting jobs, the AJC simply ran the Air Tran press release in the back pages of their hurting paper initially. Then the suburban Marietta Daily Journal actually did some work on the story, actually interviewing those involved and the AJC had to step up. Air Tran and their former government bureaucrat spokesperson were wrong to cover up what had happened and wrong to actually create a website to destroy the reputation and life of one of their passengers, just to cover up their incompetence and FAILURE to advocate for the safety of their crew and passengers. Twelve years later, and this still intrigues people. And that is because the airline covered for the middle eastern passengers, allowing them on the plane, while simultaneously causing great harm to their flight crews and the passengers on board. By the way, Snopes out and out lied about this incident as well as the Marietta Daily Journal journalist. I know that because I was close to the story. Shame on the leftist website SNOPES. Never believe that clickbait rag.


139 posted on 03/20/2021 4:05:25 PM PDT by campfollower (Peace through Strength)
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