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United Church of Christ, Methodist, Episcopal, Presbyterians OK Abortion Funding
Life News ^ | 12/7/09 | Steven Ertelt

Posted on 12/07/2009 4:10:53 PM PST by wagglebee

Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- A collection of pro-abortion religious groups authored a letter today to members of the Senate that essentially places them on record supporting taxpayer funding of abortions. The letter expresses their opposition to the Nelson amendment, released today, to remove abortion funding from the Senate government-run health care bill.

The Episcopal Church, Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.), United Church of Christ, and United Methodist Church are the four mainline protestant denominations to sign the letter asking lawmakers to oppose the Nelson amendment.

They are joined by the Disciples Justice Action Center, NA'AMAT USA, the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice, a pro-abortion group, The Religious Institute, and the Unitarian Universalist Association of Congregations.

The groups say their position is that there is a "social and moral obligation to ensure access to" abortions "at every stage in an individual’s life."

"Reforming the health care system in a way that guarantees affordable and accessible [abortion] for all is not simply a good idea—it is necessary for the well-being of all people in our nation," the religious groups wrote.

"Unfortunately, the House-passed version of health reform includes language that imposes significant new restrictions on access to abortion services," the letter incorrectly claims.

The groups call stopping taxpayer funding of abortions "an unfortunate contradiction to the basic guiding principle of health care reform" and a violation of the "moral imperative that unites Americans of many faith traditions."

It identifies the Stupak (and Nelson) amendment as the "selective withdrawal of critical health coverage from women" and "a betrayal of the public good."

"The use of this legislation to advance new restrictions on abortion services that surpass those in current law will serve only to derail this important bill," the pro-abortion denominations claim.

"The Senate bill is already abortion neutral," the falsely claim, adding that it "includes compromise language that maintains current law, prohibiting federal funds from being used to pay for abortion services," even though the language does not do that.

Jewish groups also signed on to the pro-abortion letter, including Jewish Women International, the National Council of Jewish Women, and the Union for Reform Judaism.



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The groups say their position is that there is a "social and moral obligation to ensure access to" abortions "at every stage in an individual’s life."

And in so doing the signers disavow any pretense of being Christians.

1 posted on 12/07/2009 4:10:53 PM PST by wagglebee
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2 posted on 12/07/2009 4:11:59 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 12/07/2009 4:12:29 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
They are not, in fact Christians, and no one is fooled by their pretense.

If these pukes think abortion can make someone else's life better best they try it on themselves ~ where they play the part of the unborn baby.

I'd pay good money to see that happen!

4 posted on 12/07/2009 4:13:22 PM PST by muawiyah (Git Out The Way)
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To: wagglebee

It is shocking how anxious these people are to disavow Christianity.


5 posted on 12/07/2009 4:14:39 PM PST by marron
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To: wagglebee
No basis or foundation for this in the Christian tradition.
Pure heresy.
6 posted on 12/07/2009 4:14:39 PM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: wagglebee

Please note that the United Church of Christ is a distinct entity from the Church of Christ; the latter is part of the Restoration Movement which includes the Christian Church and Disciples of Christ denominations.


7 posted on 12/07/2009 4:15:00 PM PST by sthguard (The DNC theme song: "All You Need is Guv")
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To: wagglebee

“Reforming the health care system in a way that guarantees affordable and accessible [abortion] for all is not simply a good idea—it is necessary for the well-being of all people in our nation,” the religious groups wrote.

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Why is the word “abortion” in parentheses in this quote? is this an accurate quote or was something replaced for effect?


8 posted on 12/07/2009 4:15:21 PM PST by awake-n-angry
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To: wagglebee
NOT the Presbyterian Church in America. I just want that clearly known.
9 posted on 12/07/2009 4:15:33 PM PST by Jemian
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To: wagglebee
A strong, sick delusion, which makes an absolute mockery of true Christianity.

THE GRUESOME TRUTH ABOUT THE ABORTION HOLOCAUST[Warning:Graphic]

10 posted on 12/07/2009 4:15:41 PM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: wagglebee
Church of Christ, Methodist, Episcopal, Presbyterian Churches OK Abortion Funding

And they wonder why they are losing membership.

Get a clue, you have lost your way.

11 posted on 12/07/2009 4:16:09 PM PST by SteamShovel (When hope trumps reality, there is no hope at all.)
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To: wagglebee

And people ask me why many years ago I ceased to follow any “organized” religion.


12 posted on 12/07/2009 4:16:57 PM PST by I cannot think of a name
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To: wagglebee

“for that day [of the Lord] shall not come except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin [Antichrist] be revealed, the son of perdition” (2 Thessalonians 2:3).


13 posted on 12/07/2009 4:17:32 PM PST by diverteach
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To: wagglebee

Unbelievable. Unbelievable.


14 posted on 12/07/2009 4:19:39 PM PST by ryan71 (Smells like a revolution)
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To: sthguard

Thank you for making that distinction. There is a huge difference in the two.


15 posted on 12/07/2009 4:19:50 PM PST by ToKillaMockingbird
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To: sthguard

“Please note that the United Church of Christ is a distinct entity from the Church of Christ; the latter is part of the Restoration Movement which includes the Christian Church and Disciples of Christ denominations.”

Thank you. I am a Church of Christ member, and they are the most conservative Christians I have ever met in my life.


16 posted on 12/07/2009 4:20:21 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
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To: Jemian; xzins; P-Marlowe; lightman; redgolum; Huber; sionnsar; TonyRo76; wmfights
NOT the Presbyterian Church in America. I just want that clearly known.

I am well aware that many Protestant denominations do not support this and that many members of the denominations that did do not support this.

17 posted on 12/07/2009 4:22:02 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

The signers align themselves with King Herod.

This will be a very special Christmas.


18 posted on 12/07/2009 4:23:31 PM PST by reagandemocrat
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To: wagglebee

These churches produce bad fruits.


19 posted on 12/07/2009 4:24:10 PM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: wagglebee
The groups say their position is that there is a "social and moral obligation to ensure access to" abortions "at every stage in an individual’s life."

A group cannot condone murder of the unborn and remain Christian. These groups are made up of heretics without a leader. They are outside of civilized society and will bring the wrath of God upon us all with their twisted and demented interpretation of the Commandment that says "Thou shalt not kill."

20 posted on 12/07/2009 4:24:18 PM PST by olezip
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To: wagglebee; xzins

The only group that speaks for the United Methodist Church is the General Conference, which meets every four years. It has not supported this action.

The article doesn’t say, but my guess is that it’s the General Board on Church & Society (a church agency which has been infected with liberal ‘Christianity’ for some time) that signed this.

Perhaps Xzins, who is an elder in the UMC over in Ohio, will have something additional to add.


21 posted on 12/07/2009 4:25:59 PM PST by The Grammarian (Hail to the (Groveller in) Chief!)
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To: wagglebee

I should have addressed my remarks to “All” and not to you specifically.

Of course, you know that.

IMO, the denominations which signed on to this travesty are committing heresy and should no longer be considered Christian churches.


22 posted on 12/07/2009 4:26:40 PM PST by Jemian
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To: Jemian
IMO, the denominations which signed on to this travesty are committing heresy and should no longer be considered Christian churches.

Nope, many are secularist clubs which meet on Sunday mornings and discuss ways to justify their sins.

23 posted on 12/07/2009 4:28:09 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: The Grammarian; xzins
The only group that speaks for the United Methodist Church is the General Conference, which meets every four years. It has not supported this action.

I am aware of that and hopefully my dear FRiend xzins can add some insight.

24 posted on 12/07/2009 4:29:20 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: olezip

What goes around, comes around. In the case of abortion, the death panels and every statement in the socialized medicine bill that targets “old people” ( for breast exams, etc that starts at 50.)


25 posted on 12/07/2009 4:30:04 PM PST by WestwardHo (Whom the god would destroy, they first drive mad.)
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To: sthguard
The "Disciples Justice Action Center" is a commie group that's infiltrated a number of Disciples of Christ congregations ~ it was "staffed based" up until about a decade ago when the denominational headquarters simply cancelled them.

The Disciples are probably long overdue a real purge!

26 posted on 12/07/2009 4:31:59 PM PST by muawiyah (Git Out The Way)
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To: anyone

I googled for the Disciples Justice Action Center, and there is pretty much nothing on this alleged group, beyond its support of the House version of the “health care” legislation. Has anyone ever heard of this group? You’d have to suspect it is maybe one of those “two people and a fax machine” organizations.


27 posted on 12/07/2009 4:32:28 PM PST by Coyote Choir
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To: sthguard

Thanks for clearing that up. I have many relatives who are members of that church, and I’ve always considered them very conservative. My aunt who was a member of the Church of Christ had a therapeutic abortion back in the 1930s, when she was nearly forty years old. It haunted her for the rest of her life, in spite of the valid health reasons advocated by her doctor.


28 posted on 12/07/2009 4:34:49 PM PST by Burkean
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To: Coyote Choir

Sorry. I should have waited before writing. Nevertheless, there is very little about the group through Google.


29 posted on 12/07/2009 4:35:26 PM PST by Coyote Choir
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To: wagglebee

So, who’s looking for a new church this Sunday?


30 posted on 12/07/2009 4:38:29 PM PST by ronnyquest (That's what governments are for: to get in a man's way.)
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To: muawiyah

Well, I haven’t regularly attended a Disciples church for many years, but it does seem that many politically and theologically elements have taken over there.


31 posted on 12/07/2009 4:44:52 PM PST by sthguard (The DNC theme song: "All You Need is Guv")
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To: wagglebee
I'd like to see a list of those churches which teach approval/acceptability of abortifacients like the IUD and (sometimes) the pill.

These technological methods induce abortions that cannot even be counted.

32 posted on 12/07/2009 4:47:34 PM PST by Petronski (Global warming is indeed man-made: it was created by man-made manipulation of the data.)
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To: wagglebee

Apostates all!


33 posted on 12/07/2009 4:50:36 PM PST by Guenevere (....)
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To: Jemian
Jemian, you and I are always compelled to defend & protect the PCA Presbyterian....

..not wanting to EVER be confused with the USA Presbyterian.

34 posted on 12/07/2009 5:07:44 PM PST by Guenevere (....)
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To: wagglebee

“Nope, many are secularist clubs which meet on Sunday mornings and discuss ways to justify their sins. “

The truth.


35 posted on 12/07/2009 5:14:38 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
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To: wagglebee

The Divide grows even deeper in America. Now it’s between the so-called Christian churches. How’s that Hope and Change and bringing America together working out for those Obamiacks.


36 posted on 12/07/2009 5:22:05 PM PST by Integrityrocks
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To: wagglebee; Admin Moderator

wagglebee:

You ought to know better. Are you responsible for this headline?

Church of Christ, Methodist, Episcopal, Presbyterian Churches OK Abortion Funding

The link has a different headline:

United Church of Christ, Methodist, Episcopal, Presbyterians OK Abortion Funding

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Anyone with any sense knows the difference between the Church of Christ and the United Church of Christ.

Mod: Please change and correct the headline ASAP.

Thank you.


37 posted on 12/07/2009 5:32:10 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (Ack, is that the site with "Responsibility2nd"? Some weirdo. ...)
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To: Guenevere

PCA here, also. I don’t see how any believer can stay in a PCUSA church and provide financial support without becoming complicit in the apostacy. Of course, I said that several years ago. Now this...


38 posted on 12/07/2009 5:33:21 PM PST by Always A Marine
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To: stephenjohnbanker; sthguard
Thank you. I am a Church of Christ member, and they are the most conservative Christians I have ever met in my life.

Indeed. It is also a warm and loving church. Our congregation here in my small town is not very large, but it is enthusiastic and joyful.

39 posted on 12/07/2009 5:35:06 PM PST by Inspectorette
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To: Always A Marine

Many of Scottish ancestry have been Presbyterians for several hundred years. Its a shame when Liberals destroy another Protestant Church.


40 posted on 12/07/2009 5:35:55 PM PST by Rosemont
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To: Responsibility2nd; Admin Moderator; SErtelt

The author, Steven Ertelt, has changed the headline (I used the original). I have asked the moderators to change it to the new headline.


41 posted on 12/07/2009 5:36:34 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

God has definitely taken His hand off of America.


42 posted on 12/07/2009 5:37:22 PM PST by Citizen Soldier ("You care far too much what is written and said about you." Axelrod to Obama 2006)
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To: Responsibility2nd; Admin Moderator

Yes, Mod, pleae change the thread title. United Church of Christ and Church of Christ are poles apart in their philosophy.


43 posted on 12/07/2009 5:37:48 PM PST by Inspectorette
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To: wagglebee

Thanks wagglebee.

Now I direct my umbrage to the author. HE writes for a Christian website. HE should have known better.


44 posted on 12/07/2009 5:43:08 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (Ack, is that the site with "Responsibility2nd"? Some weirdo. ...)
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To: Responsibility2nd; wagglebee; Admin Moderator

“Mod: Please change and correct the headline ASAP.

Thank you.”

Agreed. Very misleading headline without the “United” in front of Church of Christ.

The churches of Christ (unlike the United Church of Christ) are about as conservative as they come. Also, they are autonomous congregations with no central governing authority that could make this kind of stupid decision.


45 posted on 12/07/2009 5:53:42 PM PST by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: Rosemont

“Many of Scottish ancestry have been Presbyterians for several hundred years.”

My Scottish great-great-great (can’t remember how many) was the first pastor of the first Christian church in MA; his church and home still stand as historical sites; rather proud of that, even though I’m Jewish by virtue of my grandmother’s side of the house. Confusing sometimes.


46 posted on 12/07/2009 5:54:09 PM PST by Happyinmygarden (Yes, actually, I have pretty much seen and heard it all before...)
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To: Inspectorette; Admin Moderator
Yes, Mod, pleae change the thread title. United Church of Christ and Church of Christ are poles apart in their philosophy.

No, the mod should not change the thread title -- as it is cited verbatim from the source article!

My Presbyterian Church in America (PCA) is likewise poles apart from the apostate PCUSA -- but that just means we have a much larger mission field here in post-Christian America.

47 posted on 12/07/2009 5:57:12 PM PST by Always A Marine
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To: Happyinmygarden

“My Scottish great-great-great (can’t remember how many) was the first pastor of the first Christian church in MA; his church and home still stand as historical sites; rather proud of that, even though I’m Jewish by virtue of my grandmother’s side of the house. Confusing sometimes.”

Wow. Only in America.


48 posted on 12/07/2009 5:58:29 PM PST by Rosemont
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To: Always A Marine

The source has since been updated, thanks to a Freeper.


49 posted on 12/07/2009 6:05:21 PM PST by sthguard (The DNC theme song: "All You Need is Guv")
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To: Guenevere

LOL! I think there are more than the two of us who are PCA. I do feel a need to make a distinct distinction (!) because the PCUSA is so very wrong in what they espouse. It comes from the pit and smells like smoke.


50 posted on 12/07/2009 6:10:15 PM PST by Jemian
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