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FACT CHECK: Yes, Obama was born in the United States (BS propaganda needs freeping)
The Florida Times Union ^ | 11-29-2009 | Carole Fader

Posted on 12/07/2009 10:47:09 PM PST by Frantzie

More than a few Times-Union readers want to know:

Is Barack Obama eligible to be president of the United States?

All the independent fact-checking sources, some of which did extensive original research on the issue, conclude that Obama is a natural born citizen, having been born on American soil in Honolulu, and is thus eligible to be president.

(Excerpt) Read more at jacksonville.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; donofrio; factcheck; leodonofrio; obama; orlytaitz
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Disinformation about Fact Check and Snopes published by a newspaper propagandists. We need to post some follow up comments. The bottom line question is why does he continue to withhold his birth certificate. The site needs some freepers to set the record straight.
1 posted on 12/07/2009 10:47:10 PM PST by Frantzie
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To: Frantzie

“FREE THE LONG FORM!”


2 posted on 12/07/2009 10:56:33 PM PST by Dryman ("FREE THE LONG FORM!")
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To: Frantzie

lulz


3 posted on 12/07/2009 10:56:59 PM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (Whoever is righteous, let him be righteous still.)
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To: Frantzie

FactCheck.org is an independent nonpartisan, nonprofit project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania.

Obama and Ayers were associated with an Annenberg group.


4 posted on 12/07/2009 11:04:02 PM PST by haroldeveryman
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To: Frantzie

And just like ClimateGate, the three people who can end the argument by showing us the facts won’t.


5 posted on 12/07/2009 11:05:06 PM PST by Tzimisce (No thanks. We have enough government already. - The Tick)
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To: Frantzie

“Fact Check” and “Snopes” would not be necessary if Hussein would simply produce that little slip of paper. Inasmuch as he has not done so, despite all the fuss, it is legitimate to conclude that the document does not exist. Indeed, any other conclusion would be both unwarranted and foolish.

Per the United States Constitution as written, the character in the White House is INELIGIBLE to hold the office of President of the United States.

The fact that no one cares says more about the status of the government, and the level of respect in which the constitution is held at this point in the nation’s history, than anything in recent memory - most particularly among the Democrats.

It is, however, an indictment of the entire nation that this intolerable nonsense has been allowed to continue. The annals of the future will show this as an historic mistake.


6 posted on 12/07/2009 11:05:21 PM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: Frantzie

LOL.

Carol your sources would be better if you had heard from your father-in -law’s son’s daughter who heard from a friend that heard from their cousin who heard someplace but they can’t remember where that 0bambi was born in the USA.

Show us the long form birth certificate and how about some school records as well.


7 posted on 12/07/2009 11:09:27 PM PST by A message
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To: Frantzie

Someone who has an account there can feel free to make these points:

1. The three sources mentioned aren’t very credible:
http://24ahead.com/brooks-jackson-factcheck-misleads-about-illegal-aliens-and-o
http://katrinacoverage.com/2005/11/14/nopd-phantom-cops-real-or-fiction.html
http://24ahead.com/angie-drobnic-holan-politifact-misleads-about-healthcare-ref

2. She attempts to mislead her readers with the bit about “The Hawaiian health director and the state registrar of vital statistics then said they had verified Obama’s original birth certificate.” Most people will assume that HI verified what’s shown on BHO’s site. In fact, HI admits that they’ve never done that:
http://24ahead.com/hawaii-has-not-authenticated-certifications-live-birth-shown

3. The two people who claim to have seen the cert were just staffers, not document experts. Also, FC later recompressed and removed the EXIF data from its pictures without noting that they’d changed them.

4. The problems with the announcements are gone into here:
http://24ahead.com/obama-birth-announcements

If you want to do something about her blather, you have to concentrate on those points, not on speculation or legal theories that no one who isn’t an expert can prove or disprove.

*Concentrate on the facts and just the facts*.


8 posted on 12/07/2009 11:09:27 PM PST by lonewacko_dot_com
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To: Frantzie

> Yes, Obama was born in the United States (BS propaganda needs freeping)

The United States of Kenya?


9 posted on 12/07/2009 11:09:32 PM PST by max americana (i)
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To: Frantzie

Liars.

What hospital was he born in?

What was the name of the attending physician?

How about the name of a nurse present?

Strange how no one knows...

Liars.


10 posted on 12/07/2009 11:11:22 PM PST by DB
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To: Frantzie
As a child, Obama held both U.S. and Kenyan citizenship...

This is the first time I have seen this in the MSM. As I interpret the Constitution, this is a disqualifier. Leave it to the MSM to invalidate their 'man' in their disingenuous attempt to certify him.

11 posted on 12/07/2009 11:12:03 PM PST by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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To: ConservaTexan

With the sudden flurry of stories about Bambi’s BC I wonder if something is up or possibly moving behind the scenes and the media is just trying a preemptive strike or something?


12 posted on 12/07/2009 11:15:42 PM PST by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: Frantzie

**********My Hawaiian Christmas Holiday**********
by
Obacky Rama Ding Dong

I can’t tell you enough how much I long for my *Hawaiian
Hideway* while I leave my compound on the beach to visit my granny’s apartment to double check to see if i left any paperwork behind and to keep in contact with the Dept. of Health & Birth Certificate by phone because I can’t use the White House phone ‘cause i’m just checking in with the sups over there to make sure nobody leaked my real information—if I use the White House phone they’ll have phone records of my calls,too,so that’s not very cool is it?

I will have to say i really sat on my hands in conference (my butt kept them warm) with all those weird people who were demanding some type of military action in a strange place called Afghanistan! In my experience I have been to Pockeystaan and know some people there called the Tolleybaan.

I want to pay the Tolleybaan NOT to fight us in Afghanistan but they didn’t go for that.

I was in Japan recently where I made a really cool “move” just like in the video games i play and i actually bowed!!
I thought the Emperor would pick up on that because Japan makes all these really kewl games & stuff but he just looked at me and so did his wife the Empress.

After that I went to China and I bowed to him , too, because there’s a lot of stuff you can buy in the store that’s made in China. I don’t know what he thought but he took to me a place where there was this big wall.
To tell you the truth, I didn’t know what to do with myself,because all the popcorn sellers had left and gone home for day. I was there all alone by myself and the kids and my Michelle weren’t even there to get their picture taken!

Well,i guess i have to go to some weird place called Oslo but i’m glad my 1.5 mil check is already in the bank. I really,really, really need that money man,so I can still pay my personal lawyers in silencing those idiots in Hawaii at the Birth Certificate place.

Oh,Oh, I forgot, I’m going to Copenhagen,too, but do you pronounce it Copenhagen or Copenhaagen? I wouldn’t want to distress my friends in Pockeystaan and the Tolleybaan.

Will write more after my junket to ***The Hawaiian Hideaway***

See Ya’!


13 posted on 12/07/2009 11:16:52 PM PST by MissDairyGoodnessVT (Stop Muslims Training on American Soil NOW)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
With the sudden flurry of stories about Bambi’s BC I wonder if something is up or possibly moving behind the scenes and the media is just trying a preemptive strike or something?

The letters and calls questioning Ogabe's Usurper status and the media's cover-up must be enormous, especially after the Palin interview with Rusty Humphries. The State Run Media has been given their marching orders from the White Hut to nip this story in the bud.
14 posted on 12/07/2009 11:21:53 PM PST by Electric Graffiti (Yonder stands your orphan with his gun)
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To: Frantzie

Just because they landed on Hawaiian soil, and declared him born again, does not make him a natural born citizen. Nonetheless, we do know he is a natural born sneak, cheat and liar!


15 posted on 12/07/2009 11:23:13 PM PST by ntmxx (I am not so sure about this misdirection!)
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To: Frantzie

Why does he have a battery of lawyers stonewalling the issue?


16 posted on 12/07/2009 11:30:06 PM PST by himno hero
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To: Frantzie

GOOD

THEN RELEASE THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE

WITH DOCTOR, HOSPITAL, ETC.

SINCE THERE’S NO PROBLEM

I mean it’s only been 20 months or so since it was asked for


17 posted on 12/07/2009 11:32:44 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: Frantzie
In keeping with Constitutional requirements for the Presidency, it is not OUR PLACE to prove he isn't eligible, it's HIS PLACE to prove that HE IS.

Instead he's spending millions to keep us from even investigating the periphrials of his "birth certificate", like school records, college records, etc.

I just want one state...ONE STATE...to pass a state law that proof of natural born citizenship must be presented by the candidate to be put on the ballot. Only ONE STATE needed.
18 posted on 12/07/2009 11:36:41 PM PST by FrankR (SENATE: You cram it down our throats in '09, We'll shove it up your ass in '10...count on it.)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

I agree that something is up. It may have to do with his falling approval number. The puppet masters may be worried that once people become disenchanted with 0bama, they may take a closer look at him. 0bama’s Geppetto may be trying to convince the mind numb public of his legitmace before they start investigating further.


19 posted on 12/07/2009 11:38:20 PM PST by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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To: Frantzie
All the independent fact-checking sources, some of which did extensive original research on the issue, conclude that Obama is a natural born citizen, having been born on American soil in Honolulu, and is thus eligible to be president.

All of which would have been totally unnecessary, had the original long form Birth Certificate been made available at the beginning.

Nothing personal, well, yes it is personal, I don't believe a damned word that comes out of Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reid's mouth.

Additionally, Obummers records as to status at attending the various schools in the U.S. (as a foreign student?) is obviously also relevant.

20 posted on 12/07/2009 11:38:46 PM PST by Publius6961 (…he's not America, he's an employee who hasn't risen to minimal expectations.)
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To: F15Eagle
Long form COLB:

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21 posted on 12/07/2009 11:41:42 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: F15Eagle

There is a Long Form Birth Certificate because Obama found it years ago before Hawaii went digital so they say and no longer issue Long Forms. According to Page 26 last paragraph in his book “Dreams of My Father”......Obama’s Admission:

From “Dreams…” — page 26, last paragraph:

“I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, when I was in high school. It’s a short piece, with a photograph of him. No mention is made of my mother or me, and I’m left to wonder whether the omission was intentional on my father’s part, in anticipation of his long departure. Perhaps the reporter failed to ask personal questions, intimidated by my father’s imperious manner; or perhaps it was an editorial decision, not part of the simple story that they were looking for. I wonder, too, whether the omission caused a fight between my parents.”

So there is a Long Form that exists according to his admission in his book. Also Hawaii said there was a Ammendment on file with his vitals which means there was a adoption or something to that extent. Leo Donofrio pinned them down on that. Now here are the experts who according to Fact Check declared he was born in Hawaii and held his COLB.

FactCheck.org identifies their analysts as Jess Henig and Joe Miller.
See them Here:
http://www.theobamafile.com/_eligibility/AnnenbergFactCheckers.htm

http://www.greatdreams.com/2008/obama-hands.jpg


22 posted on 12/07/2009 11:51:52 PM PST by U.S. Army Retired
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To: U.S. Army Retired; freedumb2003

Yep, and he goes to granny’s apartment just before the election.

She’d “broken her hip from a fall” yet the report was “she died of cancer”.

Obama goes alone and the only woman left alive in the Western World who knew anything about his birth and could talk with authority, dies 2 days before the election.

And the Long Form Birth Certificate is hidden behind a row of attorneys. Yet they assure us there’s nothing to hide. But no lawyer can pry it from their hands.


23 posted on 12/08/2009 12:08:44 AM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: U.S. Army Retired

oh yeah - that looks like 2 Obamabots for sure


24 posted on 12/08/2009 12:10:56 AM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, John 11:25, 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13, John 6:69)
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To: Frantzie
All the independent fact-checking sources, some of which did extensive original research on the issue, conclude that Obama is a natural born citizen

So says the IPCC. They had their best scientists working on this.

25 posted on 12/08/2009 12:13:11 AM PST by HarleyD
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To: Frantzie

Barack admits to NOT being a Natural Born Citizen based on his British citizenship. Why he entered the race appears to be a case of fraud. He’s already admitted to being a dual citizen. It appears he initially lied when he ran and then posted a fraudulent fake birth certificate on his website. He directed voters to his website. He posted a fake document on his website. It doesn’t matter where he was born, he lied during the campaign and isn’t eligible based on election fraud. As well as all of his knowing accomplices.


26 posted on 12/08/2009 12:26:37 AM PST by cushman (Barack = Homosexual yes?)
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To: Frantzie

Such incredible BS.

Why do we need to do “deep independent research”?

Why doesn’t he just hand around Congress his true original BC (NOT COLB),

... as did John McCain?

Because he can’t???

So, we get endless BS propaganda from the BS Media saying over and over that his BC is online ... which it is not.

When when when is posting something “online” considered sufficient —— and this is for being President of the United States!!!

Not that anyone gives a sh*t.


27 posted on 12/08/2009 12:35:06 AM PST by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: Frantzie
If as Comrade Obama Jr claims his dad was Barak Hussein Obama Sr, of Kenya,
than it's not possible for Junior to be a Natural Born Citizen of the U.S.

At the time of the drafting and ratification of the United States constitution,
the definition of natural born citizen, combined both the principles of jus soli and jus sanguinis.

“The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.
As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”
Emmerich De Vattel, (1714-1767,) Law of Nations, 1758, § 212, "Of the citizens and naturals."

28 posted on 12/08/2009 12:44:30 AM PST by ASA Vet (Iran should have ceased to exist Nov 5, 1979, but we had no president then either.)
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To: haroldeveryman
Obama and Ayers were associated with an Annenberg group.


29 posted on 12/08/2009 12:57:48 AM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: F15Eagle

Another thing is there is this:

FactCheck does say their, “representatives got a chance to spend some time with the ‘birth certificate,’ and we can attest to the fact that it is real and three-dimensional and resides at the Obama headquarters in Chicago.”

Factcheck says its in Chicago at his headquarters which still exists. Why haven’t attorneys subpoened the Chicago Headquarters for it? Is it in Hawaii or Chicago?

Also where a lot of people get hung up is when they say on Factcheck that Obamas Kenyan Citizenship expired. They say this:

When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”

Do you see the deception in that statement. It is a code hidden that thank god the military teaches you to learn to recognize when deciphering psychological propaganda. Here it is. It is plain and simple. It says since he neither renounced his oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug 4. 1982. Yes that is true but what it doesn’t say is that his British Citizenship passed to him by his father at birth has never expired. Kenya Citizenship doesn’t have anything to do with it anymore. We are talking about two foreign citizenships. One Kenyan and one British. Kenya has expired but under the British Nationalty Act of 48, England still has a claim on Obama. The Obama Tean know this and it is a clever disguise to trip up people and make them assume he is a Natural Born Citizen and the issue is over.


30 posted on 12/08/2009 1:07:14 AM PST by U.S. Army Retired
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To: F15Eagle

Another thing is there is this:

FactCheck does say their, “representatives got a chance to spend some time with the ‘birth certificate,’ and we can attest to the fact that it is real and three-dimensional and resides at the Obama headquarters in Chicago.”

Factcheck says its in Chicago at his headquarters which still exists. Why haven’t attorneys subpoened the Chicago Headquarters for it? Is it in Hawaii or Chicago?

Also where a lot of people get hung up is when they say on Factcheck that Obamas Kenyan Citizenship expired. They say this:

When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”

Do you see the deception in that statement. It is a code hidden that thank god the military teaches you to learn to recognize when deciphering psychological propaganda. Here it is. It is plain and simple. It says since he neither renounced his oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug 4. 1982. Yes that is true but what it doesn’t say is that his British Citizenship passed to him by his father at birth has never expired. Kenya Citizenship doesn’t have anything to do with it anymore. We are talking about two foreign citizenships. One Kenyan and one British. Kenya has expired but under the British Nationalty Act of 48, England still has a claim on Obama. The Obama Tean know this and it is a clever disguise to trip up people and make them assume he is a Natural Born Citizen and the issue is over.


31 posted on 12/08/2009 1:08:27 AM PST by U.S. Army Retired
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To: ASA Vet
At the time of the drafting and ratification of the United States constitution, the definition of natural born citizen, combined both the principles of jus soli and jus sanguinis.

That would all be relevant, IF Vattel's writings were a governing document of the United States. and IF the Vattel translation that you have posted actually existed at the time of the Constitution's ratification and IF there were legislation passed by Congress or Court decision which defined Natural Born Citizen as you wish for it to be defined.

However, on all counts your theory is flawed since we look to our Constitution , not the French writings of a Swiss philosopher as a governing document and the Vattel translation that you cite did not exist in 1787 and there has been no legislation or Court ruling that defines natural born citizen as you have stated.

32 posted on 12/08/2009 1:09:45 AM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: cushman

Could you please cite a Court decision or the federal legislation that defines natural born citizen as you say it is defined?


33 posted on 12/08/2009 1:16:48 AM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: trumandogz
Vattel's "The Law of Nations," was the most influential book on the law of nations for 125 years following its publication.
The first English translation appeared in 1759.
Numerous editions of {The Law of Nations} were printed in England during the Eighteenth century,
which were widely read in the American Colonies, along with editions in the original French.
The first American edition appeared in 1796.
The book was reprinted nineteen times in America by 1872. It was reprinted at least fifty times in the years following its 1758 publication.

Robert Trout

34 posted on 12/08/2009 1:17:40 AM PST by ASA Vet (Iran should have ceased to exist Nov 5, 1979, but we had no president then either.)
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To: trumandogz; cushman
Emmerich de Vattel was the most popular of all writers on the law of nations in America before, but especially after, the American Revolution.
Vattel's {The Law of Nations} arrived, shortly after its publication, in an America, which had already been greatly influenced by Leibniz.
No later than 1770, it was used as a textbook in colleges.
It was often quoted in speeches before judicial tribunals and legislatures, and used in formulating policy.
Following the Revolution, Vattel's influence grew.
Vattel was cited far more often than Grotius and Puffendorf, in court proceedings, from 1789 to 1820.

Among those citing Vattel in legal cases and government documents, were Benjamin Franklin, John Adams, James Wilson, Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, John Jay, and John Marshall.
John Adams, the future delegate to the Continental Congress, second President of the U.S., and father of President John Quincy Adams,
recorded in his Diary on Feb. 1, 1763, that after spending the day frivolously, instead of reading and thinking,
``The Idea of M. de Vattel indeed, scowling and frowning, haunted me.'' In 1765, Adams copied into his Diary three statements by Vattel, ``of great use to Judges,''
that laws should be interpreted according to the intent of the author, and every interpretation which leads to absurdity should be rejected.
In a letter to the Foreign Minister of Denmark, in 1779, Benjamin Franklin quoted Vattel, and ``his excellent Treatise entitled {Le Droit des Gens.}''
James Madison, as a member of the Continental Congress in 1780, drafted the instructions sent to John Jay,
for negotiating a treaty with Spain, which quotes at length from {The Law of Nations.}
Jay complained that this letter, which was probably read by the Spanish government, was not in code,
and ``Vattel's {Law of Nations,} which I found quoted in a letter from Congress, is prohibited here.''
Later, John Marshall, during his thirty-four years as Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court,
quoted Vattel by far the most among all authors on the law of nations.

The Law of Nations} and The Declaration of Independence
Delegates to the First and Second Continental Congress, which produced the Declaration of Independence,
often consulted {The Law of Nations,} as a reference for their discussions.
One important reason why the delegates chose to meet in Carpenters Hall, was that the building also housed the Library Company of Philadelphia.

The librarian reported that Vattel was one of the main sources consulted by the delegates during the First Continental Congress,
which met from Sept. 5 to Oct. 26, 1774.
Charles W.F. Dumas, an ardent supporter of the American cause, printed an edition of {The Law of Nations} in 1774,
with his own notes illustrating how the book applied to the American situation.
In 1770, Dumas had met Franklin in Holland, and was one of Franklin's key collaborators in his European diplomacy.
He sent three copies to Franklin, instructing him to send one to Harvard University, and to put one in the Philadelphia library.
Franklin sent Dumas a letter, Dec. 9, 1775, thanking him for the gift.
Franklin stated, ``I am much obliged by the kind present you have made us of your edition of Vattel.
It came to us in good season, when the circumstances of a rising state make it necessary frequently to consult the law of nations.
Accordingly, that copy which I kept, has been continually in the hands of the members of our congress, now sitting ...|.''

The study of {The Law of Nations} by the delegates to the Continental Congress, to answer questions ``of the circumstances of a rising state,''
is reflected in the Declaration of Independence of July 4, 1776.
The central ideas of that document are coherent with Vattel's arguments on the criteria of a people to overthrow a tyrannical sovereign.
The Declaration of Independence states that governments are instituted to fulfill the
``inalienable rights'' of ``life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness,'' and can be changed if they fail to meet these obligations to the people.
Governments should not be changed for light and transient causes, but only after a long chain of abuses to the fundamental rights of the people,
with repeated requests for redress of grievances, which were refused.
Repeated appeals were made to our ``British Brethren,'' but since they
``have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity,'' we are prepared to face them either in war or in peace.
Therefore, we declare ourselves independent of the British Crown, with the full powers of a sovereign government,
``to levy war, conclude peace, contract alliances, establish commerce, and to do all other acts and things which Independent States may of right do.''

The inclusion of the central conception of {The Law of Nations,} Vattel's Leibnizian concept of happiness,
as one of the three inalienable rights, is a crucial statement of the Declaration's Leibnizian character.
The Declaration of Independence was prepared by a committee consisting of Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson,
John Adams, Robert Livingston, and Roger Sherman.
Jefferson was assigned by this committee to write the draft of the Declaration,
after John Adams turned down the task, because of his numerous other responsibilities

35 posted on 12/08/2009 1:19:59 AM PST by ASA Vet (Iran should have ceased to exist Nov 5, 1979, but we had no president then either.)
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To: FrankR
I just want one state...ONE STATE...to pass a state law that proof of natural born citizenship must be presented by the candidate to be put on the ballot.

I am actually in favor of a state mandating that presidential candidates provide a birth certificate, college transcripts and full medical records prior to being placed on the ballot.

However, since there is no legal definition of "natural born citizen," how would such a state determine of a person is Constitutionally qualified for the office?

36 posted on 12/08/2009 1:22:35 AM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: trumandogz

lulz


37 posted on 12/08/2009 1:25:14 AM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (Hope rides alone.)
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To: trumandogz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXKxAg6g_j0

Good vid ^__^


38 posted on 12/08/2009 1:27:28 AM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (Hope rides alone.)
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To: trumandogz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofybOAqLWZM


39 posted on 12/08/2009 1:28:48 AM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (Hope rides alone.)
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To: trumandogz

jerk


40 posted on 12/08/2009 1:29:11 AM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (Hope rides alone.)
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To: ASA Vet

Yes, but the specific text the birthers wish to cite was not translated until 1796.

And, if one were to be able to read the original text in French, the term “natural born citizen” would not come from a direct translation.

And finally, This is America and we are governed by our Constitution, not the the writings of Swiss philosophers.


41 posted on 12/08/2009 1:31:12 AM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: Frantzie
It doesn't matter if he was berfed in the middle of Kansas like his skanky baby momma!

His baby daddy was a FOREIGNER!!!

He's NOT a NBC.

42 posted on 12/08/2009 1:31:54 AM PST by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:31 Behold, I am against you," O " you most proud, said the said the Lord GOD of hosts)
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To: trumandogz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7T7wsX5BH0

:)


43 posted on 12/08/2009 1:37:08 AM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (Hope rides alone.)
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To: rawcatslyentist
His baby daddy was a FOREIGNER!!!

He's NOT a NBC.

And you have nothing whatsoever to back-up that claim.

No citation from the Constitution

No Federal Legislation

No Court Decision

44 posted on 12/08/2009 1:37:40 AM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: trumandogz

Listen to music plox :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7T7wsX5BH0


45 posted on 12/08/2009 1:39:36 AM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (?io/\/i/ntruder)
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To: Frantzie; All

That ship has sailed. We need to focus on defeating his communist proposals.


46 posted on 12/08/2009 2:33:52 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Frantzie

American socialists are employing the “Big Lie” tactic, promulgated by this infamous German Socialist, Adolf Hitler — they’re good at it — and the ObamaMedia is their megaphone.

The Big Lie (German: Große Lüge) is a propaganda technique. The expression was coined by Adolf Hitler in his 1925 autobiography Mein Kampf for a lie so “colossal” that no one would believe that someone “could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously”.

The source of Big Lie technique, from Chapter 10 of Mein Kampf:

But it remained for the Jews, with their unqualified capacity for falsehood, and their fighting comrades, the Marxists, to impute responsibility for the downfall precisely to the man who alone had shown a superhuman will and energy in his effort to prevent the catastrophe which he had foreseen and to save the nation from that hour of complete overthrow and shame. By placing responsibility for the loss of the world war on the shoulders of Ludendorff they took away the weapon of moral right from the only adversary dangerous enough to be likely to succeed in bringing the betrayers of the Fatherland to Justice.

All this was inspired by the principle—which is quite true in itself—that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying.

—Adolf Hitler , Mein Kampf, vol. I, ch. X[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Lie


47 posted on 12/08/2009 2:40:46 AM PST by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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To: Frantzie

I think this winter there will be a LOT of unemployed people willing to make a few dollars here and there as investigators to talk to any people that may have known Obama as he grew up.

All it takes is someone to get a small fund set up and organize this.

I do believe WND will pay for any new information.

Obamas past will never be hidden forever, the truth will arise.


48 posted on 12/08/2009 2:54:59 AM PST by Eye of Unk (Would spring please arrive early, My new motorcycle awaits to run free and wild.)
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To: Eye of Unk

I don’t think Obama even knows the truth, he did that little trip to Hawaii, didn’t get a birth certificate from a hospital to shove in our faces, so now only can rely on that Certificate of Live Birth, of course not really being able to verify where he was born, but secretly wishing it was Africa


49 posted on 12/08/2009 2:59:58 AM PST by Son House (The Learning Curve for Democrats on Macroeconomics is getting Exponential)
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To: Frantzie
All the independent fact-checking sources, some of which did extensive original research on the issue, conclude that Obama is a natural born citizen, having been born on American soil in Honolulu, and is thus eligible to be president.

Isn't this a remarkable statement to see in a newspaper one year after the Kenyan Clown was elected?

Just the fact that publishing such bland assurances that reputable "fact-checking" sources have verified that the occupant of the Oval Office was actually born here is even felt to be necessary is a huge red flag that something is very rotten.

Worse, this has all the characteristics of the "Big Lie": a remarkable statement is repeated almost daily by the MSM, and the "sources" given are the same old highly questionable ones. Snopes, for goodness sake, is simply a small site that is merely repeating what the Annenberg "FactCheck" website has put out --- and the Kenyan Clown's connections with the Annenberg Foundation are extensive and well-known.

This article cites FactCheck no less than 11 times, and no other non-derivative source. It's hard to believe that anyone could write and sign her name to such a silly, tendentious piece of tripe as Ms. Fader has here.

Why these idiots in the media cannot be bothered to actually do investigating more difficult than one year of cutting and pasting from the same highly dubious "FactCheck" website should be a textbook case in journalistic laziness and stupidity. It's not hard to see why readership of the MSM is falling so quickly.

50 posted on 12/08/2009 3:14:20 AM PST by snowsislander
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