Biologic InstituteDesign without a Designer? (Hold onto your hat!!! Evos invite IDers to...)

Biologic Institute ^ | December 9, 2009 | Douglas Axe

[metmom]

I just about spewed soup all over my computer.

That has to be one of the funniest things I’ve ever read, considering the source.

[Ha Ha Thats Very Logical]

Which puts it smack, dab in the middle of a debate in ........

philosophy

That is not science.

Which is why, until there is "non-religiously based, verifiable evidence of meaningful and purposeful acts of creative intelligence in the natural world," ID belongs in philosophy class, not science class. I'm glad you've finally come around.

Note that the author of the posted piece apparently agrees that functions evolve (though he seems to prefer the terms "come about" or "are produced," probably because "evolve" has all those nasty connotations to it). And as you say, "Science can...explain how." The author's only argument is whether intelligence directed the production or not. But that's a question for philosophy, as you and IDers both have stated.

[xcamel]

You don’t get out much, do you?

[rae4palin]

Very cool.

[alstewartfan]

It would seem more sane to me to believe that your single posting could assemble itself coherently over “billions and billions” of years, than atoms and molecules randomly forming fully-functional organisms.
BTW, “Agamemnon” appears in an Al Stewart song called “Helen and Cassandra”. Common knowledge, I assume? Bob

[RoadGumby]

You chime into a thread that does discuss things of a religious nature and then refuse to reply.

If you desire to not have your doorbell rung, post a sign. Otherwise those who are witnessing will have no reason not to.

You are in prayers, that you are saved, or if not that you do get there.

[Natural Law]

"You chime into a thread that does discuss things of a religious nature and then refuse to reply."

I chimed into a thread in the News/Activism forum, not the Religion forum. I invited you to the Religion forum if you actually wanted to discuss religion. Your failure to do so shows me that you are not really interested in a dialog.

[Agamemnon]

You claim to be a Christian?

Do you?

[Agamemnon]

Al Stewart is a fine, talented and under-rated musician, with an inclination toward history and classics.

And as it pertains to postings self-assembling through random chance, you may want to ask: has anyone ever witnessed the self-assembly of sub-atomic particles into atoms?

[xcamel]

Would it even matter to you if I did?

[Agamemnon]

Would it even matter to you if I did?

Clearly it matters to you whether I am or not. So why would you care?

[alstewartfan]

Reassembly is a conundrum on so many levels, Ag. You’d think that since none of the most brilliant scientists have a clue how to do it, that just perhaps “nothingness” couldn’t have done it either. Destroying things, including logical minds, is relatively simple, however. Bob
P.S. It’s nice to find someone who is aware of the musical and lyrical genius of Al. A toast to you! (lol)

[Agamemnon]

You’d think that since none of the most brilliant scientists have a clue how to do it....

How correct you are. For all of the scientific brilliance that so many of those who choose the materialist's camp proport to have, not a one of them can tell us how they designd themselves, or why they chose to do so in the first place.

As their own presumed creators, inventors of the most complex language which specifies their very existence, they can't even repeat their chosen sequence of events in a laboratory!

Could it be that they are not quite the masters of their own destinies that they believe themselves to be?

Cheers!