Beauty Mate! Happy Christmas!
Posted on 12/12/2009 12:28:23 AM PST by BorderRaven
"BC2. In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or midwife, then all that was required was that one of the parents send in a birth certificate to be filed. The birth certificate could be filed by mail. There appears to have been no requirement for the parent to actually physically appear before “the local registrar of the district.” It would have been very easy for a relative to forge an absent parent’s signature to a form and mail it in. In addition, if a claim was made that “neither parent of the newborn child whose birth is unattended as above provided is able to prepare a birth certificate, the local registrar shall secure the necessary information from any person having knowledge of the birth and prepare and file the certificate.” (Section 57-8&9) I asked the Dept of Health what they currently ask for (in 2008) to back up a parent’s claim that a child was born in Hawaii. I was told that all they required was a proof of residence in Hawaii (e.g. a driver’s license [We know from interviews with her friends on Mercer Island in Washington State that Ann Dunham had acquired a driver’s license by the summer of 1961 at the age of 17] or telephone bill) and pre-natal (statement or report that a woman was pregnant) and post-natal (statement or report that a new-born baby has been examined) certification by a physician. On further enquiry, the employee that I spoke to informed me that the pre-natal and post-natal certifications had probably not been in force in the ‘60s. Even if they had been, there is and was no requirement for a physician or midwife to witness, state or report that the baby was born in Hawaii."
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I believe the date 5-5-1966 is when that BC was issued, probably needed for entry into kindergarten. One might have been issued at DOB but misplaced and thus another replacement one made.
Do you have a source that the Nordyke twins announcement never turned up? The parents could be contacted to confirm.
Beauty Mate! Happy Christmas!
I forgot to mention if the Nordyke twins went to kindergarten at Punahou they would be accepted around that time of year and need the BC then.
I agree. If you were going to fake something, wouldn’t you spell the names right? All one has to do is google Barry’s granny’s name.
You both make the important points, why do we have to get de-railed by all the other stuff.
Mother could not confer citizenship due to age and Father was British.
He admits to dual citizenship.
Neither of these points can exist for a Natural Born Citizen.
How I wish we could stick to these points!
The elusive “Martin Blain Erickson” isn’t the only one who might clear some of this up.
Assuming all 0’s alleged records at Occidental, Columbia, and Harvard haven’t been destroyed, they still exist, and there are people who have access to them.
Surreptitious access, perhaps, but access.
As anger toward this man grows, watch for leaks.
Someone knows the truth. Many more may have access to it. The question is how much they will risk to let it be known.
very interesting
Even if this b/c is contemporanous to Obama’s birth, it can not be his legal birth certificate.
He is said to have been legally adopted by LoLo Seotoro when he was 6 years old. Obama’s legal birth certificate would show his name as Barry Seotoro with Lolo as his father.
The only way BHO-III could be Obama’s father on his legal b/c is if Lolo gave up custody of Barry, Barack came to the US from Kenya and adopted his “son”. You can change your name legally but you can’t change your parents; think about it.
How could there possibly be any passport usage from Stanley Ann in 2008?~?!?!?!
Do you happen to have a source for this info? I’ve kept up with the eligibility issue but have not heard about this Thank You
Eleanor Nordyke sits in her living room in Manoa with her twin daughters' scrapbook. They were born within hours of President-elect Barack Obama; the twins also graduated from Punahou with Obama.
The birth certificate for Nordyke posted on this thread shows the date as accepted by registrar being Aug ll, 1961, although the birth is dated August 5.
I agree with you — I have always seen him this way.
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BHO doesn’t care what happens to him because he is really in his stone-cold heart a suicide bomber trying to destroy the USA.
That can’t be the original certificate. It could be if it did not have that typed annotation at the bottom. That law didn’t come into effect until 1982. (HRS 338-17.8). Also a more likely signature “set” would be a faked Stanley Ann signature as “informant”, and Grandma Tut as “witness”. No local registrar’s signature, since it would have been submitted directly to the state registrar.
With a bit of adjustment of the dates, which maybe just the date of birth, the signature of Stanley Ann could be genuine, they did have air mail in those days you know. (Grandma mails form to Stanley Ann, who signs it, whereever she was and then granny signs and submits the form to the state for filing.
It's supposed to be a footnote to the information in block 23.
Sounds like Dan Nakaso at the Honoulu Advertiser has it all figured out. Ogabe was born at the Kapi-’olani Medical Center for Women & Children within hours of the Nordyke twins. What do we need his birth certificate for? /s
No that is the form. The way it is usually done is that the mother or someone else, supplies the information, it's typed up at the hospital on this form, which is then signed by the appropriate people in the appropriate places. For a birth not in a hospital, in 1961, it might have been filled in by hand, and their would likely not be a "local registrar" signature, (block 21), which is usually a hospital official. The "witness" could be a relative or friend of the parent(s), rather than a doctor or midwife.
Exactly, and that date was on the bottom of the copy, along with the seal, which indicates that it is a certified copy. It's not on the part that is a copy of the original. That's the way it was done, BC, before computers, and "AM", after microfilm. Before microfilm, you might get a handwritten or typed abstract, sort of like the computer generated abstract of these AC, after computer, days. Many states are now, or have plans to, go to just digitizing the whole original, as well as entering the data from it into a database. That way it's searchble, but when you need a copy, you get a copy, not an abstract, computer generated or not.
Mother could not "confer" citizenship *IF* she was legally married (under the law where the birth took place) AND the birth took place outside the US. Inside the US there is no need, all persons born in the US are US citizens, although not necessarily natural born ones. Persons' born outside the US, unless at least one parent is serving the country, as in the military or diplomatic corps, may be citizens if they meet the criteria of the law at that time. Those born in the US without two citizen parents, except for those of a single mother with no acknowledged father, are not natural born US citizens.
The funny thing is, his "on line" CoLB shows a file number higher than those of the Nordyke twins, despite supposedly having been filed several days earlier than theirs. He was supposedly born after 7 PM on a Friday, they were born just after 2 PM the next day, Saturday. So, it's hard to see how his file number could be higher than theirs.
yeah...why don’t you silly people stop asking questions and just go away...is what it sounds like.
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