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Review: E-mails show pettiness, not fraud (AP sugarcoats the damaging e-mails)
MSNBC ^ | 12/12/2009 | Seth Borenstein, Raphael Satter and Malcolm Ritter/AP

Posted on 12/12/2009 4:10:04 PM PST by tobyhill

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To: Carling
I like how the AP didn’t even atttempt to “analyze” the numerous data files.

Well, lets be fair now - all their analysts were busy trying to analyze Sarah Palin's book! There just wasn't anyone available.

41 posted on 12/12/2009 5:54:28 PM PST by JaguarXKE
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To: tobyhill

Even more about AP’s BS here: http://www.usnews.com/science/articles/2009/12/12/climate-gate-beyond-the-embarrassment.html


42 posted on 12/12/2009 6:01:34 PM PST by La Lydia
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Clim⋅e⋅van⋅ge⋅list

Spelled Pronunciation [klahy-mi-van-juh-list]

–noun:
  A believer who religiously evangelizes the false science of climate warming.

–Used in a sentence:
  The Climevangelist continued to espouse global warming when the facts proved her wrong.
  Climevangelists deny the existence of the medieval warming period c. 1200.

Origin:
  2009; b. climate and evangelist

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The hockey stick vs. reality.

43 posted on 12/12/2009 6:10:46 PM PST by Trityn (FUBO and the Soros you rode in on.)
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To: tobyhill

Pettiness in science begets fraud.


44 posted on 12/12/2009 6:27:02 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (The Obama magic is fading.)
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To: tobyhill
"The 1,073 e-mails examined by the AP show that scientists harbored private doubts, however slight and fleeting, even as they told the world they were certain about climate change. However, the exchanges don't undercut the vast body of evidence showing the world is warming because of man-made greenhouse gas emissions."

If the evidence is not undercut, why do the scientists harbor private doubts? You blathering idiots in AP.

45 posted on 12/12/2009 6:54:04 PM PST by norwaypinesavage (The trouble liberals isn't that they are ignorant; it is that they know so much that isn't so.)
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To: tobyhill
according to an exhaustive review by The Associated Press.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !

You're killing me here...

I'll comment later, when I can manage to stop laughing...

46 posted on 12/12/2009 7:07:19 PM PST by Publius6961 (Â…he's not America, he's an employee who hasn't risen to minimal expectations.)
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To: StopGlobalWhining
Advocates for the case of human caused global warming frequently always cite computer models to support their claims.

There.
Fixed it for you.

The IPCC themselves have admitted that computers cannot do predictions [because the models are too primitive]; they are now called "projections."

However, the action summaries, and the political recommendations don't deal with such irrelevant "inconvenient" facts.

47 posted on 12/12/2009 7:20:41 PM PST by Publius6961 (Â…he's not America, he's an employee who hasn't risen to minimal expectations.)
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To: tobyhill

The AP article itself is a fraud. The Climate Charge campaign is an example of the Big Lie technique. Gullible people cannot understand how so many politicians and media outlets would tell such a big lie. The Climate Charge lie looks too big to fail.


48 posted on 12/12/2009 7:31:16 PM PST by Kells
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To: tobyhill
E-mails stolen from climate scientists show they stonewalled skeptics and discussed hiding data — but the messages don't support claims that the science of global warming was faked, according to an exhaustive review by The Associated Press.

1. Hide the decline in temps.

2. Make up data as needed to fit a certain outcome.

3. Use computer coding that will give a predetermined outcome.

4. Modify the original data set and then destroy the original data set after writing other scientists stating he would destroy the original data set before he would release it. Destroy the original data set even though it was supposed to be released under the UK Freedom of Information Act. An act he was aware of and said he would violate. That was a criminal act.

5. Use tree ring data as a proxy for temps until it did not give the result they wanted and then switch to actual temps "The Nature Trick". The "nature trick" wiped out the middle age maximum temperatures. If those temperatures are not removed by sleight of hand or computer the whole global warming theory is null and void.

6. Ignore the fact that the last ten years have shown moderate cooling.

7. Decide that that burning nuclear furnace 93 million miles from us also called the sun has nothing to do with temperature variations.

THOSE SCIENTESTS ARE LIARS AND THE AP FOLLOWS SUIT.

49 posted on 12/12/2009 7:36:56 PM PST by cpdiii (roughneck, oilfield trash and proud of it, geologist, pilot, pharmacist, iconoclast.)
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To: Trityn

The graphs you post emphasize that the coldest period of the Little Ice Age coincided exactly with the 70 year Maunder Minimum from 1645 to 1715 when virtually no sunspots were sighted.

Was that just a coincidence? Is it a coincidence today that we are seeing far fewer sunspots than usual? See http://www.spaceweather.com/ to see current sunspot status.


50 posted on 12/12/2009 7:40:56 PM PST by StopGlobalWhining (Only 3 1/2-5% of atmospheric CO2 is the result of human activities. 95-96.5% is from natural sources)
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To: CanaGuy
Anyone who says there is no fraud, hasn’t seen the analyses of the computer programs.

I had the opportunity during the late 1980's - early 90's to port the code (make it work on a computer different than the one for which it was originally written) for an NCAR funded mesoscale meteorological weather model, and reading through the thousands of lines of that code was an eye opener for sure.

It was written in FORTRAN77 so it was easy to follow, and there were hundreds of pages of initialization statements with many values that were nothing more than just SWAGS.

I was the computer guy, and the researchers would tweak one or more (usually more than 1) of those SWAGs and rerun the model to see how close it would reproduce actual results from a previous day, and once they got a close match they'd try to use it to forecast a future day. The problem was that one days SWAGs never matched those needed to forecast the next day.

As a note, that was back at a time when higher performance lower cost UNIX computers first made it feasible to run the most advanced weather models in less time than the timeframe for which they were predicting. In other words, prior to that it took more than 24 hours of model time to predict 24 hours of real time weather.

By 1991 a 24 hour forecast with the model I was working with that had taken more than 24 hrs in 1988 was able to complete in 3-4 hrs for one tenth the cost.

51 posted on 12/12/2009 8:06:28 PM PST by StopGlobalWhining (Only 3 1/2-5% of atmospheric CO2 is the result of human activities. 95-96.5% is from natural sources)
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To: Kells
The Climate Charge lie looks too big to fail.

Another reality about global warming from http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/09/20/quote-of-the-week-19/

There is not, now, much value in arguing about the science of climate change. Even if it’s wrong, enough people now believe it that it may as well be right.


52 posted on 12/12/2009 8:15:31 PM PST by StopGlobalWhining (Only 3 1/2-5% of atmospheric CO2 is the result of human activities. 95-96.5% is from natural sources)
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To: StopGlobalWhining
Even if it’s wrong, enough people now believe it that it may as well be right.

But for how long? Current lack of sunspot activity provides a reasonable expectation that our current cooling trend will deepen. After another decade or two, I think it will be very hard to say that 30 years of closely monitored temperature decline is simply evidence of massive Global Warming.

If the ski season in Aspen starts in Aug (I exaggerate) people may begin to talk.

53 posted on 12/12/2009 8:19:57 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Macbeth is ripe for shaking, and the powers above put on their instruments.)
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To: tobyhill

11 Reporters to fact check a 408 page book by Sarah Palin and 5 reporters to review well over a thousand emails. Well since the conclusion was already drawn, its apparent they didn’t need to use as many man hours...

It’s the AP that’s petty.


54 posted on 12/12/2009 8:36:32 PM PST by dubyagee (Thrilled to be here...)
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“We’re human,” Mann said. “We’ve been under attack unfairly by these people who have been attempting to dismiss us as frauds as liars.”

Well isn’t this special. They can lie about and destroy data, get caught then cry about it when someone calls them out on it.


55 posted on 12/12/2009 8:40:01 PM PST by tobyhill
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To: Trityn

Thank you. Good info!


56 posted on 12/13/2009 4:41:17 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
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To: Carling

“I like how the AP didn’t even atttempt to “analyze” the numerous data files.”

They are leftists.......if they did, they would have to kill you. LOL!


57 posted on 12/13/2009 4:42:42 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
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To: muawiyah

Massive fraud.


58 posted on 12/13/2009 4:50:39 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
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To: StopGlobalWhining

Water vapor.

I’m no scientist, but I can read. Your tagline closes the book on man made global warming, and any “spin” about how we might go about changing it.


59 posted on 12/13/2009 4:55:12 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
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To: All

For a quickie on GW, Google “ Harvard and MIT debunk global warming”


60 posted on 12/13/2009 4:58:39 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Support our troops, and vote out the RINO's!)
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