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The Re-Birth of Population Control: Human Life Seen as a Carbon Problem
Zenit ^ | 12/13/2009 | John Flynn

Posted on 12/13/2009 7:18:23 PM PST by markomalley

The Copenhagen climate summit has brought with it an outpouring of opinions on environmental issues. Among these is a disturbing return to the Malthusian position of seeing population control as the solution to the world's problems.

A planetary law imposing China's one-child policy on all nations is what is needed, according to an opinion article by Diane Francis, published Dec. 8 in the Canadian newspaper, the National Post.

Francis predicted this would reduce the current world population of 6.5 billion down to 3.43 billion by 2075. While more extreme than most, Francis is hardly alone in advocating population control.

Just prior to the Copenhagen summit, Britain's Optimum Population Trust launched a carbon offset scheme, reported the Guardian newspaper on Dec. 3.

As explained by John Vidal, the paper's environment editor, this allows rich consumers to offset their jet-set lifestyle by paying for contraception in poorer countries.

According to Vidal, the trust's calculations show that the 10 metric tons of carbon emitted by a return flight from London to Sydney could be offset by preventing the birth of one child in a country such as Kenya.

It seems neo-colonialism is still alive in the attitudes of some environmental activists who don't see any problem in urging developing nations to curb their population so that the carbon emissions of richer countries can be offset.

(Excerpt) Read more at zenit.org ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: copenhagen; globalwarminghoax
Yes, I know this article has a certain perspective on it, but it is a perspective that is not even being considered by Copenhagen...and many who oppose Copenhagen.
1 posted on 12/13/2009 7:18:25 PM PST by markomalley
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To: markomalley

All life is a carbon problem.


2 posted on 12/13/2009 7:19:37 PM PST by reg45 (Be calm everyone. The idiot children are in charge!)
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To: reg45

And we’re all going to decay back into ... well, water, mostly, but some carbon. But it would be nice of *some people* would get at it sooner than others, kwim?


3 posted on 12/13/2009 7:21:57 PM PST by Tax-chick (Here I come, with a sharp knife and a clear conscience!)
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To: markomalley
Save Mother Earth:

Unite with her quickly at the bottom of a cliff!

4 posted on 12/13/2009 7:26:27 PM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: markomalley

Too bad we’re all not silicon based. /trekie past


5 posted on 12/13/2009 7:27:24 PM PST by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG 49) "Freedom's Fortress")
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To: markomalley
seeing population control as the solution to the world's problems.

Can't be done. A woman has a right to do whatever she wants with her own body, right? Haven't we been hearing this for years?

6 posted on 12/13/2009 7:38:07 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: markomalley

It’s hard to believe there are some today who don’t know what ZPG stands for.

It was a big thing in the ‘70s, and the jerk who is Obama’s science czar, John Holdren, was one of the foremost promoters of limited births, limited life.

Prince Philip has even expressed the wish that he could come back as a fatal virus, which would kill lots of humans (might be one reason why Mum is putting Will closer to the throne).


7 posted on 12/13/2009 7:39:01 PM PST by norge (The amiable dunce is back, wearing a skirt and high heels.)
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To: concerned about politics
A woman has a right to do whatever she wants with her own body, right? Haven't we been hearing this for years?

Legal case, name of Skinner, that says people have the absolute right to reproduce.

8 posted on 12/13/2009 7:41:32 PM PST by SCalGal (Friends don't let friends donate to H$U$ or PETA.)
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To: markomalley
According to Vidal, the trust's calculations show that the 10 metric tons of carbon emitted by a return flight from London to Sydney could be offset by preventing the birth of one child in a country such as Kenya.

Think of how many such flights could be offset by sterilizing an American!

His calculations also show, implicitly, the calculus of other far less benign offset schemes, a point certainly not lost on the eco-luddite True Believers.

9 posted on 12/13/2009 7:43:19 PM PST by M203M4 (Durn it! Every time I go out boating, I lose another one!)
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To: markomalley

These people are sick, maybe they themselves should unburden the Earth of their irresponsible carbon selves.

The right to have children should be a marketable commodity, bought and traded by individuals but absolutely limited by the state. - Kenneth Boulding, originator of the “Spaceship Earth” concept (as quoted by William Tucker in Progress and Privilege, 1982)

We have wished, we ecofreaks, for a disaster or for a social change to come and bomb us into Stone Age, where we might live like Indians in our valley, with our localism, our appropriate technology, our gardens, our homemade religion — guilt-free at last! — Stewart Brand (writing in the Whole Earth Catalogue

Free Enterprise really means rich people get richer. They have the freedom to exploit and psychologically rape their fellow human beings in the process . . . Capitalism is destroying the earth. — Helen Caldicott, Union of Concerned Scientists

We must make this an insecure and inhospitable place for capitalists and their projects . . . We must reclaim the roads and plowed land, halt dam construction, tear down existing dams, free shackled rivers and return to wilderness millions of tens of millions of acres of presently settled land. — David Foreman, Earth First!

Everything we have developed over the last 100 years should be destroyed. — Pentti Linkola

If you ask me, it’d be a little short of disastrous for us to discover a source of clean, cheap, abundant energy because of what we would do with it. We ought to be looking for energy sources that are adequate for our needs, but that won’t give us the excesses of concentrated energy with which we could do mischief to the earth or to each other. — Amory Lovins in The Mother Earth - Plowboy Interview, Nov/Dec 1977, p. 22

The only real good technology is no technology at all. Technology is taxation without representation, imposed by our elitist species (man) upon the rest of the natural world — John Shuttleworth

What we’ve got to do in energy conservation is try to ride the global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, to have approached global warming as if it is real means energy conservation, so we will be doing the right thing anyway in terms of economic policy and environmental policy. — Timothy Wirth, former U.S. Senator (D-Colorado)

Kill ‘Em All And Let God Sort ‘Em Out

I suspect that eradicating small pox was wrong. It played an important part in balancing ecosystems. — John Davis, editor of Earth First! Journal

Human beings, as a species, have no more value than slugs. — John Davis, editor of Earth First! Journal

The extinction of the human species may not only be inevitable but a good thing....This is not to say that the rise of human civilization is insignificant, but there is no way of showing that it will be much help to the world in the long run. — Economist editorial

We advocate biodiversity for biodiversity’s sake. It may take our extinction to set things straight — David Foreman, Earth First!

Phasing out the human race will solve every problem on earth, social and environmental. — Dave Forman, Founder of Earth First!

If radical environmentalists were to invent a disease to bring human populations back to sanity, it would probably be something like AIDS — Earth First! Newsletter

Human happiness, and certainly human fecundity, is not as important as a wild and healthy planets...Some of us can only hope for the right virus to come along. — David Graber, biologist, National Park Service

The collective needs of non-human species must take precedence over the needs and desires of humans. — Dr. Reed F. Noss, The Wildlands Project

If I were reincarnated, I would wish to be returned to Earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels. — Prince Phillip, World Wildlife Fund

Cannibalism is a “radical but realistic solution to the problem of overpopulation.” — Lyall Watson, The Financial Times, 15 July 1995

Poverty For ‘Those People’

We, in the green movement, aspire to a cultural model in which killing a forest will be considered more contemptible and more criminal than the sale of 6-year-old children to Asian brothels. — Carl Amery

Every time you turn on an electric light, you are making another brainless baby — Helen Caldicott, Union of Concerned Scientists

To feed a starving child is to exacerbate the world population problem — Lamont Cole

If there is going to be electricity, I would like it to be decentralized, small, solar-powered — Gar Smith — editor of the Earth Island Institute’s online magazine The Edge

The only hope for the world is to make sure there is not another United States: We can’t let other countries have the same number of cars, the amount of industrialization, we have in the U.S. We have to stop these Third World countries right where they are. And it is important to the rest of the world to make sure that they don’t suffer economically by virtue of our stopping them. — Michael Oppenheimer, Environmental Defense Fund

Wrong Again

The continued rapid cooling of the earth since WWII is in accord with the increase in global air pollution associated with industrialization, mechanization, urbanization and exploding population. — Reid Bryson, “Global Ecology; Readings towards a rational strategy for Man”, (1971)

The battle to feed humanity is over. In the 1970s, the world will undergo famines. Hundreds of millions of people are going to starve to death in spite of any crash programs embarked upon now. Population control is the only answer — Paul Ehrlich - The Population Bomb (1968)

I would take even money that England will not exist in the year 2000 — Paul Ehrlich in (1969)

In ten years all important animal life in the sea will be extinct. Large areas of coastline will have to be evacuated because of the stench of dead fish. — Paul Ehrlich, Earth Day (1970)

Before 1985, mankind will enter a genuine age of scarcity . . . in which the accessible supplies of many key minerals will be facing depletion — Paul Ehrlich in (1976)

This [cooling] trend will reduce agricultural productivity for the rest of the century — Peter Gwynne, Newsweek 1976

There are ominous signs that the earth’s weather patterns have begun to change dramatically and that these changes may portend a drastic decline in food production - with serious political implications for just about every nation on earth. The drop in food production could begin quite soon... The evidence in support of these predictions has now begun to accumulate so massively that meteorologist are hard-pressed to keep up with it. — Newsweek, April 28, (1975)

This cooling has already killed hundreds of thousands of people. If it continues and no strong action is taken, it will cause world famine, world chaos and world war, and this could all come about before the year 2000. — Lowell Ponte “The Cooling”, 1976

If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder by the year 2000...This is about twice what it would take to put us in an ice age. — Kenneth E.F. Watt on air pollution and global cooling, Earth Day (1970)


10 posted on 12/13/2009 7:45:06 PM PST by Titus-Maximus (Light from Light)
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To: markomalley

It’s a continual war. There is always some great “reason” to decrease the human race. Satanic, in my opinion.


11 posted on 12/13/2009 7:51:15 PM PST by Marie2 (The second mouse gets the cheese.)
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To: Titus-Maximus
These people are sick, maybe they themselves should unburden the Earth of their irresponsible carbon selves.

All your examples talk about "someone else." None of them say "I should" or "My family should." They want everyone else dead.

12 posted on 12/13/2009 7:51:16 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: concerned about politics

When about 5-10 Million committed enviro-paganists decide to commit mass suicide to save the planet I’ll consider taking them seriously.


13 posted on 12/13/2009 7:53:37 PM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: markomalley

No problemo. Eliminate the workers and replace them with carbon free nuclear powered robots.

The worst part of the carbon hoax is that we have already been moving away from carbon for the last 200 years even without these idiots. We don’t need these stupid laws or taxes. We are on our way to a carbon free economy already without any meddling.

Fuels listed in descending order of carbon content:

1. hay(fuel for horses and oxen)
2. wood
3. coal
4. oil
5. gasoline/diesel/kerosene/jet fuel
6. butane
7. LPG (aka autogas)
8. propane
9. natural gas/methane/LNG
10. hydrogen (carbon free)
11. atomic (also carbon free)

We are currently using a mix of 5 through 9, and little by little gravitating more towards 9.

Personally, I like the idea of developing urea, ammonia, and hydrogen peroxide into a fuel.


14 posted on 12/13/2009 7:54:05 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: Marie2
Satanic, in my opinion.

Definitely.

15 posted on 12/13/2009 7:56:19 PM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: SCalGal

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skinner_v._Oklahoma


16 posted on 12/13/2009 7:56:58 PM PST by narses ('in an odd way this is cheering news!'.)
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To: markomalley; informavoracious; larose; RJR_fan; Prospero; Conservative Vermont Vet; ...
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Add me / Remove me

Please ping me to note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of general interest.

Obama Says A Baby Is A Punishment
Obama: “If they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”

17 posted on 12/13/2009 7:57:27 PM PST by narses ('in an odd way this is cheering news!'.)
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To: Titus-Maximus

To feed a starving child is to exacerbate the world population problem — Lamont Cole

If there is going to be electricity, I would like it to be decentralized, small, solar-powered — Gar Smith — editor of the Earth Island Institute’s online magazine The Edge
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These two actually make SOME sense. Electricity generation should be decentralized. It would be nice if every home could generate it’s own electricity. But we just aren’t there yet. You can’t force it to happen when the technology just isn’t yet viable. Someday maybe. Just not today.

And yes...throwing free food at a bunch of starving people that are incapable of feeding themselves is not the answer...it only exacerbates the problem in the long run.


18 posted on 12/13/2009 8:03:01 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: markomalley

I’ve been saying it since the beginning: “Global warming” is a back door to population control and nothing more. If you can’t cull the producers, cull the users. Show me a single one of those empty-headed ideologues in Copenhagen that isn’t also in favor of aborting as many pregnancies as possible.


19 posted on 12/13/2009 8:08:33 PM PST by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna!)
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To: Marie2
Satanic, in my opinion

No doubt in my mind.

20 posted on 12/13/2009 8:09:43 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Rutles4Ever

No one should accept a liberal’s claim that the goal is to solve global warming.

The goals are revealed in their “solutions” (global government/socialism, population control, enslavement of the general population to the elites). These are and were the real agenda all along.

GW was just a “convenient lie” to further those goals.


21 posted on 12/13/2009 8:12:14 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: narses
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skinner_v._Oklahoma

That's it, thanks. BTW, Cass Sunstein is another one of these people... he really needs to go.

22 posted on 12/13/2009 8:13:38 PM PST by SCalGal (Friends don't let friends donate to H$U$ or PETA.)
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To: markomalley
Population Control: "That '70s Show!"
23 posted on 12/13/2009 8:33:55 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (KILL THE BILL!!!)
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To: reg45

Just imagine all the carbon credits Planned Parenthood could collect!
/s


24 posted on 12/13/2009 9:39:18 PM PST by Humidston (Government health care will be dispensed as efficiently as H1N1 vaccine.)
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To: Titus-Maximus

If what these people intend to do are not ‘Crimes against Humanity’, then the term is meaningless.


25 posted on 12/14/2009 5:22:35 AM PST by jmcenanly
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To: markomalley

Ah, yes ... the old “overpopulation” argument rears it’s ugly head again.

Sheldon Richman, editor of The Freeman, a journal published by The Foundation for Economic Education, points out that you give each person 1,000 square feet, the world’s human population would easily fit inside Texas.


26 posted on 12/14/2009 6:01:59 AM PST by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: jmcenanly

There needs to be an accounting.
We can be assured that the Good Lord WILL dispense justice, FOREVER, when these bastards shed their earthly coil...

But I’d sure like to see some earthly justice as well.


27 posted on 12/14/2009 6:03:31 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: markomalley

This issue has ALWAYS been about population control. You just had to keep digging to the core of the issue to find that. There are the same Malthusians who were screaming about the population boom a few years ago. They figure contracting the world economy will cause folks to not have more children, and they’d be there to ‘help’ with ready supplies of birth control, and access to abortion, especially for the ‘brown people’ of the third world.


28 posted on 12/15/2009 4:11:36 PM PST by SuziQ
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