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The Salvation Army - naughty or nice?
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 12/14/9 | Phil Bronstein

Posted on 12/14/2009 12:45:15 PM PST by SmithL

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To: Cedar

Then they have changed their wording. It used to be as I stated.


61 posted on 12/14/2009 1:08:48 PM PST by Roos_Girl (The world is full of educated derelicts. - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: TheSuaveOne

“It doesn’t change the fact that they are a homophobic organization.”

GOOD!


62 posted on 12/14/2009 1:09:21 PM PST by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: SmithL

When the United Way was in the middle of a huge financial scandal the media published the salaries of head of major relief organizations. They were all making enough to assure them wealth for the rest of their lives when they retired. All, that is, except for the head of the SA who was receiving $20k/year, housing and a company car.


63 posted on 12/14/2009 1:09:34 PM PST by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: dsc

>> “Sure they do good things. It doesn’t change the fact that they are a homophobic organization”

There is no such thing as “homophobia.”

People who are repelled by homosexuality are responding in the only healthy way to this disorder.

If you want to sell the false proposition that sodomy is in any way acceptable behavior, you’re knocking on the wrong door. <<

More like “homorepusive” than a phobia.

Personally I think that people of consenting age can do what they want in their own bedchambers and charitable organizations can and should be free to set whatever standards they want for themselves even if they are not “socially acceptable by one group or another” provided they are not using taxpayer monies.


64 posted on 12/14/2009 1:09:46 PM PST by GraceG
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To: TheSuaveOne

He is comparing unacceptable behaviors. Illustrating the slippery slope that society has succumbed to and expects all others to join in on.


65 posted on 12/14/2009 1:10:49 PM PST by RoadGumby (God did not evolve mankind from pond scum, but it might be easy to think that about liberals)
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To: All

We are talking about VOLUNTARY contributions here people not taxes. If you don’t like them, don’t give. Geez. Where the hell is everyone’s Christmas spirit?


66 posted on 12/14/2009 1:10:53 PM PST by goseminoles
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To: TheSuaveOne

“irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals”

Fear of sodomite predation on the young, aversion to the loathsome perversions sodomites are compelled to perform, and discrimination against sodomites in the effort to protect the innocent are all completely rational.

Not merely rational, these things are absolute moral imperatives.


67 posted on 12/14/2009 1:11:51 PM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: RoadGumby

Unacceptable to you and your made up God’s eyes...la


68 posted on 12/14/2009 1:11:56 PM PST by TheSuaveOne
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To: TheSuaveOne
irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals

Am I a homophobe if I do not accept the homosexual lifestyle and I believe that homosexual sex is a grave sin against God?

69 posted on 12/14/2009 1:12:02 PM PST by frogjerk
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To: SmithL
Fags and other "social sinners" will be more than happy to see the SA coming when a disaster strikes them.

You can count on that....and the SA will serve them just like anybody else...

70 posted on 12/14/2009 1:13:07 PM PST by B.O. Plenty (Give war a chance...)
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To: SmithL

I am ringing the bell again this year.


71 posted on 12/14/2009 1:13:27 PM PST by lack-of-trust
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To: TheSuaveOne

Re: “Sure they do good things. It doesn’t change the fact that they are a homophobic organization.”

Please define what you mean by “homophobic”. The Salvation Army bases their moral standards on the teachings of the Bible. The Bible, in both Old and New Testaments, clearly teaches that homosexual behavior is a sin - just like rape, murder, adultery, etc.

Of course, you may believe that the Bible is “homophobic” because it teaches against homosexuality, and hence, the Salvation Army is “homophobic” because they stand by the Biblical teachings regarding these things. Is that what you are mean when you say that the Salvation Army is “homophobic”?

If so, the problem, for you anyway, is that any moral standard must then be described as “phobic” - i.e. thiefphobic, murdererphobic, adulteryphobic. Why? Because these are all acts that are taught to be sinful in the Bible and it sounds like you are saying that believing the Biblical teaching against homosexuality is “phobic” - therefore ANY act taught against in the Bible must also be “phobic” as well. Or, do I misunderstand you?


72 posted on 12/14/2009 1:13:47 PM PST by Nevadan
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To: frogjerk

And what if there is no God? Please stop projecting your moral code on others.


73 posted on 12/14/2009 1:13:51 PM PST by TheSuaveOne
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To: TheSuaveOne

The practice of homosexuality is a sin, it is not right, it is an abomination, it is destructive. Fear? I think not.

Homophobe is a ‘silence-code-word’ similar to Racist. It is used in all cases to try to silence one that speaks out. Used liberally in DU-land.


74 posted on 12/14/2009 1:13:53 PM PST by RoadGumby (God did not evolve mankind from pond scum, but it might be easy to think that about liberals)
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To: SmithL

For me it began about a year ago. It seems like it started on January 20, 2009.

The Salvation Army is, and will remain, the ONLY organized charity that I contribute to. We do drop stuff off at our local food bank from time to time.

Our county has a 17% unemployment and people here are hurting. Not just the lazy scum, but good hard working folks. At least I know my charity money isn’t going to Obama, or paying for some thief to live even better than I am.

As for the gays... I couldn’t care less about what they think or feel.


75 posted on 12/14/2009 1:14:33 PM PST by Gator113 (Obama is America's First Failed Black Pres-dent.....)
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To: nascarnation

The key with a United Way is to see if it is the “United Way of America” (BAD) or a United Way of [your town here].

Most local United Ways are first rate, act as a community chest, and, if the United Way funds a given charity, is a good indication that the charity: (A) has its financial ducks in a row and (B) meets some basic standards for actually doing charity work.


76 posted on 12/14/2009 1:15:31 PM PST by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: gidget7

“They are a Church! Churches cannot be expected to accept sin of any kind.”

Quite to the contrary, I understand churches are conducting marriages, funerals for people everyday that they know to be “sinners” since all people are believed by said churches to be sinners.

I further understand churches are to love the sinner, not the sinful deed.

The SA does much good work with homless alcoholics and addicts.

Surely there is some bible passage by which their self-indulgent addictive lifestyles constitute “sin.”

Yet the SA helps them.


77 posted on 12/14/2009 1:16:29 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: TheSuaveOne

You think not? He would love that sinner, but condemn the sin. He would tell the sodomite to go forth and Sin No More, as He did the adultress. He loved and forgave her, and did draw the line on sinful behavior. Nice try.


78 posted on 12/14/2009 1:16:51 PM PST by RoadGumby (God did not evolve mankind from pond scum, but it might be easy to think that about liberals)
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To: SmithL

Looks like the SA will get double from me this year...


79 posted on 12/14/2009 1:17:10 PM PST by Haiku Guy ("I don't give them Hell / I tell the truth about them / And they think it's Hell" -- Harry Truman)
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To: TheSuaveOne
I had a few minutes to kill, so I checked out some of your more recent posts. I see from your posts that you are not pro life or pro family and that you have some trouble with Christianity. That is certainly your right, I just thought I would take a quick look out of curiosity :)

I was interested to see if you posted at all on my Sarah, seems you have not. I can only assume you are not a Sarah fan because she is a Christian, pro life, pro family, Conservative. At least you have not bashed her here.

So you are fiscally conservative and that`s where it ends I guess?

80 posted on 12/14/2009 1:17:12 PM PST by Friendofgeorge ( SARAH PALIN or BUST.)
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