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US pensions go bust, gold crashes, China flops, Bunds soar, predicts Saxo (in 2010?)
Telegraph ^ | 12/17/09 | Ambrose Evans-Pritchard

Posted on 12/17/2009 8:55:42 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster

US pensions go bust, gold crashes, China flops, Bunds soar, predicts Saxo

America’s Social Security Trust Fund will go bankrupt; both gold and the Japanese yen will crash; and China’s currency will devalue as bad loans catch up with the over-stretched banking system -- all in the course of 2010.

By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard

Published: 3:28PM GMT 17 Dec 2009

The annual “Outrageous Predictions” of Denmark’s Saxo Bank are not for the faint-hearted, though there is good news for some.

Chief economist David Karsboel thinks the US trade balance may go into surplus for the first time since the mid-1970s, benefiting from the delayed effects of the weak dollar.

Yields on sovereign bonds -- the goods ones, not the bonds of quasi-basket cases such as Club Med, the UK, or Japan -- will plummet as deflation raises its ugly head again later in 2010. The ten-year German Bund yield will fall to 2.25pc. “Bunds are the ultimate safe-haven if something goes wrong, perhaps in Greece. We may even see some safe-haven buying of US Treasuries as well, despite the irresponsible fiscal policies in the US,” he said.

The US Social Security fund will finally tip over, technically going bust. “Ever since the good years of the 1960s politicians have been taking the money and spending it instead of setting it aside for the Fund, but next year it will go into deficit for the first time as US demography turns. The Fund is going to need a bail-out, financed by higher taxes, more borrowing, or more printing.”

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2010; crash; saxo
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

I told my wife, “NO UNDERWEAR”.....................maybe it’ll work this year..........


21 posted on 12/17/2009 9:59:48 AM PST by Red Badger (Obama - The first ever elected lame duck..............)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I have a feeling the most valuable portble entity in the pathetic future ahead will be MRE’s or some derivitive thereof. If only they were affordable in bulk.


22 posted on 12/17/2009 10:01:55 AM PST by wolfman
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To: wendy1946
Almost certainly?

I'll confess - this is the first time I've ever encountered this "theory", and my initial reaction is, it's all wet!

How about people (and most other animals, and most all plants) live near water because it's essential to their very survival!

I mean, you don't see a lot of metropolises or a lot of flora and fauna in the Gobi desert, and I would reckon that's because there's not really a lot of water around, and it's not because people/animals/plants want to live in the water! They want access to it to consume it and use it for various other needs deemed essential to their lives.

Not to denigrate the efforts of the esteemed Ms. Morgan, but I simply can't get into this as a viable explanation for much of anything, least of all why people buy shore front property at a premium.

CA....

23 posted on 12/17/2009 10:06:42 AM PST by Chances Are
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To: Chances Are

One example, the most obvious visible difference between us and apes is our legs being the major limbs, an adaptation for swimming and wading. An ape trying to swim as we do would just turn somersaults in the water. Likewise with voluntary control of breathing; apes don’t have it and that appears to be the only reason that gorillas cannot be taught to speak English.


24 posted on 12/17/2009 10:21:19 AM PST by wendy1946 ( The claim here is that)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
US pensions go bust, gold crashes, China flops, Bunds soar, predicts Saxo (in 2010?)

He forgot, "Dogs and cats, living together, MASS HYSTERIA!"

I'm so physically sick of all this incessant pessimism. If the world's economy goes, I'd just as soon go with it. Because I don't relish the idea of starting over with cretins like this guy.

25 posted on 12/17/2009 10:31:16 AM PST by GOP_Resurrected
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To: wendy1946

And they shut down gold mining all over the world, to run the price up...


26 posted on 12/17/2009 10:37:45 AM PST by Freddd (CNN is not credible.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
The annual “Outrageous Predictions” of Denmark’s Saxo Bank are not for the faint-hearted...

They're enough to make some Democrats' balls shoot right back up into the belly....so to speak.

27 posted on 12/17/2009 10:40:35 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway
And I predict I’ll get a six pack of underwear for Christmas....

Hopefully new, or at least gently used.

28 posted on 12/17/2009 10:42:10 AM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
"Saxo Bank offers its thoughts as `Black Swan’ risks that could paddle up quietly and bite you, rather than absolute predictions. Take them in the right spirit. "

Black Swan Theory


29 posted on 12/17/2009 12:08:17 PM PST by blam
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To: GOP_Resurrected
"I'm so physically sick of all this incessant pessimism"

You keep saying that but you seem to be attracted to these threads...you always show up and whine.

Here, you missed this one.

Meet The Doomsayers Who Just Won't Give Up

30 posted on 12/17/2009 12:12:17 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

I didn’t miss it. A rogues gallery of ghouls.

Look, I’m a financial advisor, so call me biased if you want. But every piece of good news is not to be pissed on and dismissed. There is a cottage industry of permanent bears, gold bugs, and other economic oddballs who have been spouting this nonsense for 40 years. And despite being right on the crisis, you would have ended up a hell of a lot poorer had you shorted the market every time they predicted Armageddon.

What good do you think wallowing in misery does for our cause? Voters don’t tend to reward parties who sound like the rag-clad lunatic on the street corner preaching the end of the world. I for one, have just had with incessant gloom, especially against the body of emerging evidence.

Here, have some Christmas cheer.

https://www.lordabbett.com/advisor/commentary/marketview/November2009/

http://www.ftportfolios.com/Commentary/EconomicResearch/2009/12/14/the_recession_is_over

http://www.jpmorganclientextranet.com/econtent/DKyrend2009.pdf


31 posted on 12/17/2009 1:15:52 PM PST by GOP_Resurrected
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To: GOP_Resurrected
"I for one, have just had (it) with incessant gloom, especially against the body of emerging evidence."

I say post these positive articles, they are more convincing than attacking the person who posts articles you disagree with.

My point is that I don't believe in UFO's and I find people that do so a little odd but, check any UFO thread and you'll not see me making a post to the poster or a word about the article. I AVOID THEM!

32 posted on 12/17/2009 2:06:16 PM PST by blam
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To: Truthsearcher

“Why are ocean front properties worth so much more when they are far less practical? (Beach erosion, hurricanes, flooding, etc). Because psychologically, people like the view.”

Try supply and demand.

Try personal freedom.

Try location, location, location.

Try climate, recreation and lifestyle.


33 posted on 12/17/2009 2:16:49 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: truth_seeker

I don’t think you understood my point at all.


34 posted on 12/17/2009 2:29:10 PM PST by Truthsearcher
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To: Truthsearcher

“I don’t think you understood my point at all.”

I guess not. I’m just a real estate broker with over 20 years of experience.

What should I know about property valuation?

Psychology at once explains everything, and nothing. Ever heard of psychobabble?

Give me old red meat supply and demand; hardcore economics.

Your concepts of practicality and psychology are wrapped up nicely in supply and demand, complete with a pricetag.


35 posted on 12/17/2009 3:48:19 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: blam

Fair enough. Everyone has their sore spot, that one’s mine.

But I do come here to debate, so I can’t help but be drawn to threads I disagree with.


36 posted on 12/17/2009 3:53:53 PM PST by GOP_Resurrected
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To: truth_seeker

Perhaps you didn’t read the post I was responding to.


37 posted on 12/17/2009 4:08:55 PM PST by Truthsearcher
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