[RolandOfGilead]

Excuse me? Shall I remind you what you said?

The submarine Kursk sank in August of 2000 during a test of a defective and notoriously dangerous new model of torpedo.

[Rockingham]

I submit that the tragic sinking of a the Kursk "during a test of a defective and notoriously dangerous old model of torpedo" supports my critique of Russia's defense industry as well as if not better than if the torpedo were a new model. Fully competent navies and defense industries do not suffer such losses.