[Rockingham]

I submit that the tragic sinking of a the Kursk "during a test of a defective and notoriously dangerous old model of torpedo" supports my critique of Russia's defense industry as well as if not better than if the torpedo were a new model. Fully competent navies and defense industries do not suffer such losses.

[RolandOfGilead]

Decades old equipment and weapons systems have nothing to do with modern Russian defense industry, and you know it. Furthermore, the incident happened way back in 2000, in the first year of Putins new government. Since then russian defense industry improved dramatically, both in quality and sales volume (which increased over 100%).

But I'm sure you are aware of all that, and that is why you had to resort to made-up arguments.

Fully competent navies and defense industries do not suffer such losses.

What??
USS Scorpion (SSN-589)

I rest my case.