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Rick Warren Asks for Urgent Donations
AP ^ | California, Dec. 31, 2009 | Staff

Posted on 12/30/2009 11:22:46 PM PST by FTJM

Evangelical pastor Rick Warren is begging parishioners at his Southern California megachurch to cough up $900,000 before Jan. 1 to keep the parish out of the red.

In an urgent letter posted on the Saddleback Church Web site on Wednesday, Warren says expenses are up because parishioners are out of work and "the bottom dropped out" when year-end donations dropped dramatically.

He asks parishioners to donate before the new year to keep the Orange County church out of debt, The Orange County Register reports.

A spokeswoman for Warren said the church does not release financial details, so it's difficult to put the $900,000 shortfall in context.

Warren delivered the invocation at the inauguration of President Barack Obama and is the author of numerous books, including the best-selling "The Purpose Driven Life."

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1 posted on 12/30/2009 11:22:47 PM PST by FTJM
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To: FTJM

Maybe ACORN will give him some money!


2 posted on 12/30/2009 11:27:19 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: FTJM
Warren delivered the invocation at the inauguration of President Barack Obama and is the author of numerous books, including the best-selling "The Purpose Driven Life."

Then he ought to have $900K to save his church.

3 posted on 12/30/2009 11:28:52 PM PST by HospiceNurse
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To: FTJM

I could use a little relief too , if anyone’s feeling generous

:^)


4 posted on 12/30/2009 11:30:49 PM PST by LeoWindhorse
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To: HospiceNurse
"Then he ought to have $900K to save his church."

With all the book sales and money that has flowed-in, one would think this would be simple as pie.

This whole story sounds f-i-s-h-y to me. But hey......

5 posted on 12/30/2009 11:33:48 PM PST by NoRedTape
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To: FTJM

I read a better pitch in an email from some guy in Nigeria.


6 posted on 12/30/2009 11:33:56 PM PST by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: FTJM

He sucked up to The Usurper, maybe he’ll get a bailout from Tiny Tim.


7 posted on 12/30/2009 11:38:18 PM PST by shibumi (" ..... then we will fight in the shade.")
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Rick, why don’t you write another book that says all the same things as the previous books?


8 posted on 12/30/2009 11:39:19 PM PST by ICE-FLYER (God bless and keep the United States of America)
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To: FTJM

I must admit that Rick Warren held the only forum in 2008 where Obama was asked even slightly difficult questions.

Saddleback Presidential Candidates Forum, August 17, 2008
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0808/17/se.01.html


9 posted on 12/30/2009 11:50:58 PM PST by iowamark
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To: ICE-FLYER

A “book whose purpose is to raise money for the unemployed in our church” might not sell too well. He might be envious of Sarah Palin.


10 posted on 12/31/2009 12:01:06 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: FTJM

here is the request from Rick Warren!!!!

http://www.saddleback.com/blogs/newsandviews/index.html


11 posted on 12/31/2009 12:04:40 AM PST by tallyhoe
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To: FTJM

Sorry...that’s a little beyond my paygrade.


12 posted on 12/31/2009 12:09:35 AM PST by TNdandelion (While Obama plays with his balls, Afghanistan falls.)
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To: iowamark

And Bummer knew just how to speak the born again code words. You’d think that if he was even as sincere as Jimmy Carter about it that he’d let it show all over the place. (Remember how “born again” became a popular buzzphrase during the Jimmy years?) But he dares not. He can’t even find time to do something that George W. Bush did every Sunday.


13 posted on 12/31/2009 12:12:15 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

I gave up on him when he gave Obama a platform and was feted during the Inauguration.


14 posted on 12/31/2009 12:45:40 AM PST by MHT
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To: FTJM

“A spokeswoman for Warren said the church does not release financial details...”

Tell that to the loan officer! Oh wait — you just did. Sorry, I’m fresh out of soon-parted.


15 posted on 12/31/2009 2:24:43 AM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (STOP the Tyrananny State.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

$900,000? Who is this guy Oral Roberts? Did he give all of the churches money to a “global warming fund”? I thought he gave 90% of his book proceeds to the church


16 posted on 12/31/2009 2:38:17 AM PST by personalaccts (Is George W going to protect the border?)
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To: All

Maybe Rick can get some Obama bailout money to fix his clock:

http://www.saddleback.com/internetcampus/live/

They don’t even have it right for Orthodox Christmas!!


17 posted on 12/31/2009 2:38:52 AM PST by Drago
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To: FTJM
O noez! If Rick doesn't get the cash, he might be forced to preach from house to house and in prisons, with just enough clothing and food to survive!

You know, like Jesus and His Apostles. Ahem.

18 posted on 12/31/2009 2:40:21 AM PST by Anti-Utopian ("Come, let's away to prison; We two alone will sing like birds I' th' cage." -King Lear [V,iii,6-8])
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To: FTJM
A spokeswoman for Warren said the church does not release financial details, so it's difficult to put the $900,000 shortfall in context.

And what "context" would that be? Allowing yourself to become a megachurch with mega-expenses, deal with it Rick.

19 posted on 12/31/2009 2:45:26 AM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: FTJM

20 posted on 12/31/2009 2:54:07 AM PST by GI Joe Fan (GI Joe represents Real American Heroes, not a bunch of globalist drones.)
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To: Anti-Utopian

Now THAT is a reminder of what’s important if I ever read one!


21 posted on 12/31/2009 2:56:21 AM PST by GI Joe Fan (GI Joe represents Real American Heroes, not a bunch of globalist drones.)
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To: Anti-Utopian

Now THAT is a reminder of what’s important if I ever read one!


22 posted on 12/31/2009 2:57:08 AM PST by GI Joe Fan (GI Joe represents Real American Heroes, not a bunch of globalist drones.)
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To: FTJM

Church to big to fail? Ask the Messiah for a stimulas bail-out. Why not Pray.


23 posted on 12/31/2009 3:28:12 AM PST by bikerman (Buck Farack)
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To: FTJM

Goodbye and good riddance you fraud.


24 posted on 12/31/2009 4:01:21 AM PST by Carley (OBAMA IS A MALEVOLENT FORCE IN THE WORLD)
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To: FTJM

I don’t know about Warren’s bible, but mine says the Lord’s children will never be found begging for bread. Mine also instructs...neither a borrower nor a lender be.


25 posted on 12/31/2009 4:20:03 AM PST by Jude in WV
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To: FTJM

I thought he was building an Arc. /s


26 posted on 12/31/2009 4:20:54 AM PST by AmericaUnite
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To: FTJM

Rick Warren’s Controversial Comments on Gay Marriage

The following is the controversial portion of the interview with Rick Warren focused on gay marriage, civil unions and divorce. In brackets are clarifications that Warren asked to include after reading a transcript of the original interview:

BELIEFNET: Which do you think is a greater threat to the American family - divorce or gay marriage?

WARREN: [laughs] That’s a no brainer. Divorce. There’s no doubt about it.

Here’s an interesting thing. The divorce statistics are quite bandied around. People say half the marriages end in divorce. That’s just not true. 40% of first time marriages end in divorce. About 61% of second time marriages end in divorce and 75% of third time marriages end in divorce. So the odds get worse and what’s balancing this out...when you hear 50% end in divorce, that’s just not true. The majority of marriages do last....

BELIEFNET: So why do we hear so much more - especially from religious conservatives - about gay marriage than about divorce?

Oh we always love to talk about other sins more than ours. Why do we hear more about drug use than about being overweight? Why do we hear more about anything else than about wasting time or gossip? We want to point that my sins are perfectly acceptable. Your sins are hideous and evil.

BELIEFNET: One controversial moment for you in the last election was your support for proposition 8 in California. ... Just to clarify, do you support civil unions or domestic partnerships?

WARREN: I don’t know if I’d use the term there but I support full equal rights for everybody in America. I don’t believe we should have unequal rights depending on particular lifestyles so I fully support equal rights.

[Clarification from Pastor Warren 12/15: I now see you asked about civil UNIONS -and I responded by talking about civil RIGHTS. Sorry. They are two different issues. No American should ever be discriminated against because of their beliefs. Period. But a civil union is not a civil right. Nowhere in the constitution can you find the “right” to claim that any loving relationship identical to marriage. It’s just not there. ]

BELIEFNET: What about partnership benefits in terms of insurance or hospital visitation?

WARREN: You know, not a problem with me.

[Clarification from Pastor Warren 12/15: I favor anyone being able to make anyone else the beneficiary of their health or life insurance coverage. If I am willing to pay for it, I should be able to put a friend, partner, relative, or stranger on my coverage. No one should be turned away from seeing a friend in the hospital. But visiting rights are a non-issue in California! Since 1999, California has had a domestic partnership law that grants gay couples visiting rights and all the other rights. Prop 8 had no -zero -effect on those rights.]

The issue to me, I’m not opposed to that as much as I’m opposed to redefinition of a 5,000 year definition of marriage. I’m opposed to having a brother and sister being together and calling that marriage. I’m opposed to an older guy marrying a child and calling that marriage. I’m opposed to one guy having multiple wives and calling that marriage.

BELIEFNET: Do you think those are equivalent to gays getting married?

Oh , I do. For 5,000 years, marriage has been defined by every single culture and every single religion - this is not a Christian issue. Buddhist, Muslims, Jews - historically, marriage is a man and a woman. And the reason I supported Proposition 8, is really a free speech issue. Because first the court overrode the will of the people, but second there were all kinds of threats that if that did not pass then any pastor could be considered doing hate speech if he shared his views that he didn’t think homosexuality was the most natural way for relationships, and that would be hate speech. We should have freedom of speech, ok? And you should be able to have freedom of speech to make your position and I should be able to have freedom of speech to make my position, and can’t we do this in a civil way.

Most people know I have many gay friends. I’ve eaten dinner in gay homes. No church has probably done more for people with AIDS than Saddleback Church. Kay and I have given millions of dollars out of Purpose Driven Life helping people who got AIDS through gay relationships. So they can’t accuse me of homophobia. I just don’t believe in the redefinition of marriage.

[Clarification/addition from Pastor Warren 12:15:

BOTTOM LINE:

1. God, who always acts out of love and does what is best for us, thought up sex. Sex was God’s idea, not ours. Like fire, and many other things God gave us, sex can be used for good, or abused in ways that harm. The Designer of sex has clearly and repeatedly said that he created sex exclusively for husbands and wives in marriage. Whenever God’s parameters are violated, it causes broken hearts, broken families, emotional hurt and shame, painful memories, and many other destructive consequences. There would be so STDs in our world if we all played by the rules.

2. God gives me the free choice to follow his commands or willfully disobey them so I must allow others to have that same free choice. Loving, trusting, and obeying God cannot be forced. In America, people already have the civil right to live as they wish.

3. If anyone, whether unfaithful spouses, or unmarried couples, or homosexuals or anyone else think they are smarter than God and chooses to disobey God’s sexual instructions, it is not the US government’s role to take away their choice. But neither is it the government’s role to classify just any “loving” relationship as a marriage. A committed boyfriend-girlfriend relationship is not a marriage. Two lovers living together is a not a marriage. Incest is not marriage. A domestic partnership or even a civil union is still not marriage.

4. Much of this debate is not really about civil rights, but a desire for approval. The fact that 70% of blacks supported Prop 8 shows they don’t believe it is a civil rights issue. Gays in California already have their rights. What they desire is approval and validation from those who disagree with them, and they are willing to force it by law if necessary. Any disapproval is quickly labeled “hate speech. Imagine if we held that standard in every other disagreement Americans have? There would be no free speech. That’s why, on the traditional marriage side, many saw Prop 8 as a free speech issue: Don’t force me to validate a lifestyle I disagree with. It is not the same as marriage.” And many saw the Teacher’s Union contribution of $3 million against Prop 8, as a effort to insure that children would be taught to approve what most parents disapprove of.

http://blog.beliefnet.com/stevenwaldman/2008/12/rick-warrens-controversial-com.html


27 posted on 12/31/2009 4:29:38 AM PST by Sybeck1 (Rush Hudson Limbaugh, Mmm, Mmm, Mmm)
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To: FTJM

I would not give Rick Warren one cent. All he did was kiss up to Obama’s butt during the election. Hey, Rick, how’s your donation income decline going. Well, you got the hope and change you were looking for!!!! So, Rick, please no tears and being whimpish, please. Oh, maybe you can get an Obama bailout from Obama’s “stash” as so neatly put one one of Obama’s “something for nothing supporters!!!


28 posted on 12/31/2009 4:35:52 AM PST by JLAGRAYFOX
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To: FTJM

Rick has made MILLIONS....why doesn’t HE cough up some!


29 posted on 12/31/2009 4:50:40 AM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion,,,,,,the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: FTJM

Sorry Mr Warren, I know a little church in my old hometown that needs money. We don’t have friends in the White House and best selling authors to contribute, but we’ll be thinking of your struggle in the new year.


30 posted on 12/31/2009 4:52:13 AM PST by BallyBill (WARNING:Taking me serious could cause stress related illness.)
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To: Anti-Utopian

“Go sell what you have....”
Practice what you preach.


31 posted on 12/31/2009 5:07:31 AM PST by FES0844
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To: FTJM

With the recent passing of Oral Roberts, somebody has to play the “contribute now or the Lord will call me home” card....


32 posted on 12/31/2009 5:11:58 AM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: FTJM
cough up $900,000 before Jan. 1 to keep the parish out of the red.

I don't think you can call his church a "parish".

And, the way he flip-flopped on the gay marriage issue, maybe this is a sign for him.

33 posted on 12/31/2009 5:17:13 AM PST by Rocky (Obama's ego: The "I's" have it.)
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To: FTJM

Hey Rick! Living above your means??


34 posted on 12/31/2009 5:21:35 AM PST by kenmcg (THE)
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To: FTJM

Better still Rick, ask your buddy, the Bam man for a stimulus, then the government will control your church as it does the auto mfrs. the banks etc.


35 posted on 12/31/2009 5:24:19 AM PST by kenmcg (THE)
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To: FES0844

Are you talking to the rich man with great possessions, or the guy with a knapsack and a sword?


36 posted on 12/31/2009 7:14:52 AM PST by Anti-Utopian ("Come, let's away to prison; We two alone will sing like birds I' th' cage." -King Lear [V,iii,6-8])
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To: FTJM

You live by the media, you die by the media!!


37 posted on 12/31/2009 7:16:21 AM PST by RoseofTexas
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To: FTJM

Rick Warren has apologized to gays about his past support for banning gay marriage. Perhaps, Warren could ask the gay community for donations.


38 posted on 12/31/2009 7:16:38 AM PST by yongin
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To: kenmcg

Hey Rick, trying to be a friend of the world AND a man of God at the same time?
(James 4:4)


39 posted on 12/31/2009 7:21:55 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: FTJM

I hope the 250,000 pastors that have gone to Rick’s “marketing” conferences are thinking twice about adopting this church model. This church is the Church of Laodicea leading their followers down the road to destruction.

If you want to see the playbook of Saddleback it is here:

http://www.sdadefend.com/MINDEX-U-Z/Saddleback.pdf

Our church adopted this model a few years ago and it has been disastrous. The church has half of the congregation it used to have and has been behind budget ever since. In fact, our church decided to buy 100 acres of land at the height of the real estate boom and it is big giant money pit. Sickening!


40 posted on 12/31/2009 7:24:04 AM PST by truthandlife ("Some trust in chariots and some in horses, but we trust in the name of the LORD our God." (Ps 20:7))
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To: FTJM

It’s about time people stopped supporting that dog and pony show.


41 posted on 12/31/2009 8:43:38 AM PST by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: DocRock; del4hope; Alex Murphy; Gamecock; Dr. Eckleburg; jude24; Ottofire; fishtank; ...

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42 posted on 12/31/2009 9:14:55 AM PST by Gamecock (We always have reasons for doing what we do.)
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To: FTJM

Once upon a time churches supported it’s members during hard times.


43 posted on 12/31/2009 9:16:15 AM PST by Gamecock (We always have reasons for doing what we do.)
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To: FTJM
A spokeswoman for Warren said the church does not release financial details, so it's difficult to put the $900,000 shortfall in context.

I'd estimate at $25-30 million a year budget. That would make normal December giving about $6 - 7 million. In any event, they ought to be able to cut $1 million a year in spending without the congregation really noticing it.

44 posted on 12/31/2009 9:21:21 AM PST by PAR35
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To: Gamecock

Yeah, I’ll get right on that./s

His influence destroyed our church.


45 posted on 12/31/2009 9:24:44 AM PST by GOPPachyderm
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To: FTJM

Hey Rick. Go ask your Big O buddy for a bail-out..


46 posted on 12/31/2009 9:49:15 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. May yur bandwidth exceed your girth)
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The wife and I attend Saddleback & are members of the church. Its a round trip of 250 miles every Saturday to attend the service.

Rick gives 90% of his income to the church, he has not taken a salary for the last 8 years.

Do you give 90% of your income to your church?

With unemployment running at about 20% in orange county the tithing has dropped off. I see that at the service I attend.

Rick drives a 1999 ford truck and has lived in the same house for the last twenty years.

Mrs McClure has a bit to say:

I'm glad that Rick was honest enough to tell us of the financial situation and give us a chance and challenge to give to the Lord. I challenge all of you to go on to the Saddleback website in Lake Forest California and look at all of the ministry's that this church has. It truly reaches the entire world and it takes an enormous amount of money to run all of these programs.

After all if you don't give away anything God wants you to give, you don't own it. . . it owns you.

Pastor Rick did not kiss Obama’s butt. He held a fair forum and he asked questions and let them answer each one.

47 posted on 12/31/2009 9:55:46 AM PST by troy McClure
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To: GOPPachyderm
"His influence destroyed our church."

Hundreds, maybe even thousands of churches are suffering as a result. Warren is going to end up paying far more than $900,000 in the long run.

48 posted on 12/31/2009 9:58:28 AM PST by TommyDale (Independent - I already left the GOP because they were too liberal)
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To: personalaccts
"I thought he gave 90% of his book proceeds to the church"

I think if you go back and research this, Warren claims to "pay 90% of his Purpose Driven sales in tithing" which could be something like a self-directed foundation. The money is somewhere other than his church, I guarantee.

49 posted on 12/31/2009 10:01:38 AM PST by TommyDale (Independent - I already left the GOP because they were too liberal)
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To: TommyDale

In Rick Warren’s Bio, it says “The Warrens gave 90 percent of their earnings to charities and programs dedicated to starting microfinance and preventing HIV.”

It mentions nothing of giving to Saddleback Church.


50 posted on 12/31/2009 10:14:10 AM PST by TommyDale (Independent - I already left the GOP because they were too liberal)
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