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Israelis ponder the perils of hitting Iran
Space War ^ | 12/30/2009 | UPI via Space War

Posted on 01/04/2010 8:43:32 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld

Amid mounting concern that Israel may unleash pre-emptive strikes against Iran to attack its nuclear facilities, some Israeli commentators are preaching restraint. They warn that Israel does not have the firepower to deliver a knockout blow to Iran's perceived drive for nuclear weapons and faces a potentially withering Iranian retaliation the likes of which they have never endured before.

"It must be stated plainly: Israel does not have independent strike capability against Iran -- not in the broad sense of the term," Amos Harel wrote in the liberal daily Haaretz Wednesday.

"The air force is capable of delivering a certain amount of explosives to a given target and bringing most of its aircraft back home intact.

"But it is doubtful whether Israel can allow itself to act against the wishes of the United States -- to stand alone against an Iranian response and begin an open-ended operation against a nation of 70 million people," Harel wrote.

"It is best to disabuse ourselves of illusions about our ability to dictate a New Middle East order.

"That is the lesson learned, in blood, by Menachem Begin and Ariel Sharon in Lebanon in 1982 and by George W. Bush in Iraq in 2003."

Harel and others argue that the time to hit Iran's nuclear infrastructure was several years ago, simply by taking out the uranium conversion plant at Isfahan, in central Iran, not now that the nuclear sites have been widely dispersed, buried deep underground and ringed by air-defense missiles.

It is suggested that since the Israeli military has been given a large budget increase to counter the Iranian threat it feels it must "persuade the political echelon that it can do the job" or

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: iaf; idf; iran; iranwar; irgc; israel; nukewars

1 posted on 01/04/2010 8:43:34 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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To: sonofstrangelove

Sorry, but this amounts to being rehash of rehash.
What are they saying that has not already been said before?


2 posted on 01/04/2010 8:50:59 PM PST by cranked
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To: sonofstrangelove

I hope the Israelis have a strong and invisible hand in supporting the Iranian democrats (small “d”).

Regime change is the best thing; though perhaps too little too late. So I’ll take a first strike too. Just sayin’.


3 posted on 01/04/2010 8:52:25 PM PST by Uncle Miltie ("Free" Healthcare + Citizenship for Lawbreakers = Democrats Forever! Buenos Dias!)
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To: sonofstrangelove

I would guess that most of the 70 million people in Iran have nothing against Israel. The crazy rhetoric is concentrated amongst the few in power and their grasp is slipping.

I hope that events overtake the need for Israel to attack and that the regime is overthrown and run out on a rail before that happens.

If not, I hope that they prevail in the bold and necessary moves for their survival.


4 posted on 01/04/2010 9:02:54 PM PST by monkeypants (It's a Republic, if you can keep it.)
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To: monkeypants

Whatever happens to Israel happens to Europe. Whatever happens to Europe eventually hits the US. ITs just a function of time and Iranian aggression.


5 posted on 01/04/2010 9:09:48 PM PST by himno hero
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To: sonofstrangelove

According to some forecasts, Israel is scheduled to launch it’s strike during the new moon surrounding 21 January. I have my doubts.


6 posted on 01/04/2010 9:52:38 PM PST by Fractal Trader
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To: sonofstrangelove; All

“They warn that Israel does not have the firepower to deliver a knockout blow to Iran’s perceived drive for nuclear weapons and faces a potentially withering Iranian retaliation the likes of which they have never endured before.”
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I have to agree with this,,,

Israel can only put about 150 aircraft in the strike package

of the F-15/16 I type fighters,,,(long range),,,

This leaves nothing to take out Iran’s long range rockets.

When Israel strikes Iran will likely launch WMD against

Israel and the gulf oil ports,,,

This will take out about 25% of the world’s oil supply,,,

Then there’s this :

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2420959/posts

This will take about two weeks to haul all the stuff to

the northern border,,,

I look for large scale rocket attacks (WMD) from that AO,,,

Israel will have about 240 fighters left home to take out

the launchers in Lebanon,,,

The “new moon” is Jan.21st,,,Dark night,,,

I sure hope I’m wrong...


7 posted on 01/04/2010 10:38:25 PM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: Fractal Trader

They are training 24/7 and you timeframe is not far off.


8 posted on 01/04/2010 10:39:49 PM PST by at bay (My father was born with 28 ounces of flesh in 1924 then went on to become Mr. (Glenn) Holland.)
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To: Fractal Trader

They are training 24/7 and you timeframe is not far off.


9 posted on 01/04/2010 10:40:58 PM PST by at bay (My father was born with 28 ounces of flesh in 1924 then went on to become Mr. (Glenn) Holland.)
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To: Fractal Trader

They are training 24/7 and your timeframe is not far off. There. Third times the charm...


10 posted on 01/04/2010 10:43:03 PM PST by at bay (My father was born with 28 ounces of flesh in 1924 then went on to become Mr. (Glenn) Holland.)
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
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11 posted on 01/05/2010 5:39:08 AM PST by SJackson (In wine there is wisdom, In beer there is freedom, In water there is bacteria.)
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To: sonofstrangelove

Iran will only respect a show of overwhelming force, anything less will be signs of weakness, like a straw fire Iran will blaze fast but burn out very quickly.

As was discussed on the news recently many people in America think brokering for peace is strength, however in the Middle East this is strongly viewed as a weakness, the more you press for peace the more you face battles and terrorism.

Only the use of first strike acts and immediate follow up support will a country such as Iran realized they are facing an enemy that has convicted beliefs and in their own mantra will understand an enemy with stronger beliefs is an enemy that is unconquerable.

Remember the Spartans.


12 posted on 01/05/2010 5:48:28 AM PST by Eye of Unk (Phobos, kerdos, and doxa, said the Time Traveler. “Fear, self-interest, and honor.”)
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To: Eye of Unk

The attack could work if it were bolstered by a few hundred cruise missles from the US as well as several sorties of anti-radar/anti-SAM by the US.

But lets be honest, that’s a pipe dream. Maybe if Bush was still president, but Bambi will NEVER commit to that level of force so Isreal know’s it’s screwed.

He has hat Nobel Peace Prize to live up to and all. A coordinated assualt would basically mean WWIII-light. The muzzies would squelch the oil flow and then you have world-wide depression. The spiral would get uglier and uglier. Bambi will never allow unlimited resource gathering within the US and off shore, so we’re looking at $10/gallon gas.

It’s too bad. We’ll pay for our weakness and failure to act before too long.


13 posted on 01/05/2010 6:13:33 AM PST by strider44
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To: Fractal Trader
"According to some forecasts, Israel is scheduled to launch it’s strike during the new moon surrounding 21 January. I have my doubts."


So have I. There have been too many dates that have come and gone where it was predicted that Israel would use the opportunity to strike. It would appear that numerous "forecasters" are not as "in the know" as some are led to believe.
14 posted on 01/05/2010 6:53:08 AM PST by rob777 (Personal Responsibility is the Price of Freedom)
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To: sonofstrangelove

Well, of course, Back In The day, they used to be able to COUNT on their ONE Friend. (sigh)


15 posted on 01/05/2010 8:24:01 AM PST by left that other site (Your Mi'KMaq Paddy Whacky Bass Playing Biker Buddy)
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To: Eye of Unk

“Spartans, prepare for glory!”

Sorry, couldn’t resist. Loved 300.


16 posted on 01/05/2010 9:16:18 AM PST by ariamne (Proud shieldmaiden of the infidel--never forget, never forgive 9/11)
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To: monkeypants
Didn't the Iranian Jews have a vibrant community for a very long historical period?

Even Ahmedinejad's original surname shows that he is of Jewish descent, and surely there must be a similarly sizable population who have a Jewish ancestor somewhere in their family tree.

17 posted on 01/05/2010 11:16:13 AM PST by hennie pennie
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68; jhpigott; MestaMachine; sonofstrangelove
Israel has long been assisting India with its security and fight against Pakistani terrorists.

Since Israel has helped India, might not India be able to offer material support in Israels fight against its own enemy, Iran?

18 posted on 01/05/2010 11:19:04 AM PST by hennie pennie
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...
Amos Harel wrote in the liberal daily Haaretz Wednesday.
A single quisling and coward writes an op-ed -- that's all that's going on. Thanks sonofstrangelove.
19 posted on 01/05/2010 6:18:53 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Happy New Year! Freedom is Priceless.)
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