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Democrats may bypass formal bill process on healthcare
L.A. Times ^ | 1/5/10 | James Oliphant

Posted on 01/05/2010 8:49:35 AM PST by Nachum

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To: Col Frank Slade

I agree, it is all about the Massachusetts special election.

This could be the upset of the century that tells liberals in one loud voice that we will not go quietly into the night while they ram their agenda down our throats with bribes, backroom deals and deception!


21 posted on 01/05/2010 9:19:00 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: G Larry

sending to bill nelson....


22 posted on 01/05/2010 9:25:56 AM PST by tatsinfla
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To: Nachum


But Democrats on Capitol Hill are free to fashion a more informal procedure because they aren't relying on Republican votes to pass the final bill.

For congressional Democrats and the White House, bypassing a conference committee would block Republicans

Rep. Henry A. Waxman (D-Beverly Hills), said he believed that Democrats would avoid a formal conference.

House Republicans on Monday argued that informal negotiations went against Democrats' pledges of government transparency.

"Something as critical as the Democrats' healthcare bill . . . shouldn't be slapped together in a shady backroom deal," said Michael Steel, a spokesman for House Minority Leader John A. Boehner (R-Ohio).

"Skipping a real, open conference shuts out the American people and breaks one of President Obama's signature campaign promises," he said.



Hey, it looks pretty transparent to me. The communists that call themselves democrats are running a One-Party government and they don't seem to care who knows.

I wonder what the communists will be saying when they smack the ground at the bottom of the cliff? Racism? Uneducated voters? Not "sophisticated" enough to understand their plan?

23 posted on 01/05/2010 9:26:36 AM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: Nachum
...an attempt to block Republicans from delaying the bill.

With all due respect to the LA Slimes, it isn't an attempt to block delay, it is an outright blockage of debate, circumventing the usual process of deliberation, and an outright attempt to HIDE FROM THE AMERICAN PEOPLE the substance of what is being considered in this outrageous legislation.

24 posted on 01/05/2010 9:26:55 AM PST by vox_freedom (America is being tested as never before in its history. May God help us.)
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To: Perdogg

We need Brown to win in Massachusetts! That will give them only 59 affirmative votes — 1 less than the needed 60!


25 posted on 01/05/2010 9:27:33 AM PST by Mr. Wright
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To: mnehring; All
"Don’t forget the most transparent..."

"oops...."


26 posted on 01/05/2010 9:32:36 AM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Nachum
Barry, Harry, Nancy........YOU LIE!!!!!
27 posted on 01/05/2010 9:33:12 AM PST by JPG (Mr. Gore, put your hands behind your back.)
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To: Erik Latranyi
I agree, it is all about the Massachusetts special election. This could be the upset of the century that tells liberals in one loud voice that we will not go quietly into the night while they ram their agenda down our throats with bribes, backroom deals and deception!

While I share this happy dream and hate to pee in your cornflakes, I gotta say I don't see it happening. I live in MA.

Do you really have confidence in the notion of honest elections anymore? In Massachusetts? In an critical race that King Obama absolutely cannot afford to lose? Do you really think that Democrats have any scruples whatsoever about cheating to win, or that any mechanism exists in Massachusetts to prevent it?

Does anyone here really believe that Al Franken legitimately won in MN? Why would MA be any different?

Folks, our representative Constitutional Republic is nothing more than an illusion now.

28 posted on 01/05/2010 9:39:46 AM PST by Zeddicus
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To: traditional1
This communist takeover is a done deal; get over it.

You got that right. And so much damage is done that it will take generations to get America back. The hinge is lower taxes for us and business, curb regulations, and putting Americans back to work. Problem is which comes first. People spending so more product needed so hiring will start to increase production, or the opposite. How can people spend when they have no free money. Perplexing, isn't it?

29 posted on 01/05/2010 9:54:43 AM PST by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: Zeddicus

Not only that, but if they avoid the joint committee to reconcile the bills, then I don’t think they will need more than 51 votes in the Senate from this point forward. They already got their cloture vote.

Unless we can stir up a real storm and block this crooked business, we are so screwed.


30 posted on 01/05/2010 10:00:43 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero
Yes, but if they go this route, the Bill will face the 'sunset' provision and won't survive a revote.

Ofcourse, they would have collected the taxes, which is what they really want.

31 posted on 01/05/2010 10:18:53 AM PST by fortheDeclaration ("Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people".-John Adams)
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To: Nachum; All

Watch the clip, especially around the one minute mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmNdV0PSRy4


32 posted on 01/05/2010 10:19:03 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (New Year's Resolution: Never, ever, ever again vote for anyone with a (d) after their name.)
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To: Zeddicus
Do you really have confidence in the notion of honest elections anymore?

Then you have given up.

33 posted on 01/05/2010 11:42:49 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: Nachum
According to Rasmussen, there's nearly a tie in the polls between the Republican and Democrat running for Kennedy's Massachusetts Senate Seat. If the Republican wins, it'll upset the applecart for Reid. There will only be 59 Democrats in the Senate. And if the Republican wins, it will be a precursor of things to come in November!

Support Scott Brown Now. The election is January 19! This election could be the "Senate election heard round the world." Okay, so "round the White House" and that would make it all the sweeter.

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Scott Brown and Martha Coakley on the night of their first debate at WBZ (WBZ-AM)
34 posted on 01/05/2010 1:04:25 PM PST by HighlyOpinionated (The left have become lawless. Every strangling edict they issue carries an exemption for themselves.)
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To: G Larry

Slightly changed for my Republican Senators and Representative.

Senator:

Current Bill does NOTHING to “fix” Healthcare!

The current “Healthcare” bill was constructed in secrecy, because it is nothing to be proud of, and cannot withstand the light of day. It will NOT reduce the cost of healthcare to the 85% of Americans happy with their current healthcare! The quality and availability of healthcare enjoyed by 85% of Americans will NOT be available to them under the latest bill. This bill does nothing to reduce the $250 BILLION annual cost of defensive medicine and insurance premiums driven by current tort laws. Why do Republicans continue to allow the Democrats to lie about keeping our current doctors and insurance, hoping we won’t notice that employers will be threatened, bribed, and cajoled into dumping us onto the government plan?? We know that only “approved” policies will be allowed to stay in force, and any change in our circumstance is grounds for MANDATORY transition to the government plan. How many ADDITIONAL people does the bill pretend to provide “healthcare” for?

How does Congress propose to pay for this additional coverage? How does Congress imagine enticing Doctors to continue to provide more care to more people for less money? If Congress pulls $500 Billion out of Medicare, are we supposed to believe the quality of care for the elderly [I just turned 65!] won’t suffer? What Constitutional authority allows the government to mandate that I buy health insurance under penalty of Fine or IMPRISONMENT? Are we really supposed to believe that rationed healthcare is not a cornerstone of the Democrat plan? Aren’t Democrats really attempting to concoct a legacy by overstating the case for government run healthcare, and using that enterprise to impose a socialist [dare I say, a Communist] agenda?


35 posted on 01/05/2010 1:16:28 PM PST by HighlyOpinionated (The left have become lawless. Every strangling edict they issue carries an exemption for themselves.)
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To: Nachum

More shenanigans from the Congress... :-)


36 posted on 01/05/2010 1:47:27 PM PST by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Erik Latranyi
Do you really have confidence in the notion of honest elections anymore?
>> Then you have given up.

It's not so much that I've "given up", I'm merely making observations of what has gone on with rampant voter fraud in the country recently.

Do YOU still have faith in honest elections in this country? Based on what? What about Al Franken? Do you think HE won an honest election? Do you believe that Democrats are not capable of manipulating elections in a state like Massachusetts? Who would question it, or even blink, if Coakley won?

Look I want to be wrong about this. Please, convince me I'm wrong.

37 posted on 01/05/2010 2:15:25 PM PST by Zeddicus
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To: Zeddicus
Look I want to be wrong about this. Please, convince me I'm wrong.

Is there fraud? Yes!

Does the system need cleaning up? Yes!

However, just look at what happened in New Jersey with the gubernatorial race.....they could not overcome the wrath of the people.

Can they win the close elections on fraud? Yes!

Can they stop us from throwing their asses out when we show up? No!

Expect a lot of liberals to sit home for this special election in Mass. If conservatives and moderates get off their ass and show up, Brown can win this.

When you throw in the towel before the game starts, you have let the liberals win because they have demoralized you.

38 posted on 01/06/2010 3:51:05 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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