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Why the Barack Obama Birth Certificate Issue Is Legitimate (Nov. 08)
American Thinker ^ | 11-26-08 | Joe the farmer

Posted on 01/07/2010 9:17:33 PM PST by STARWISE

Does this Barack Obama birth certificate issue bug you because, although improbable, it's possible that he's not a natural born citizen, isn't eligible to be President under the Constitution, and this issue could be bigger than Watergate -- or any other "gate" in history?

Are you afraid that if you were even to raise the subject with your friends that they will think you wear a tinfoil hat, because, the final arbiter of truth in the universe, said so?

Are you with the news media, and after spending so much money to get Barack Obama elected, you'd hate to ruin your investment?

Are you a talk radio host who thinks that if you say the burden of proof needed to demonstrate one is eligible to be Commander in Chief should be at least as high as, oh, say, the level to be eligible for Hawaiian homestead status (see 1.F. below), that you'd be forced to give equal time to someone who disagrees?

Are you a conservative, libertarian, or any conscientious constitutionalist from any ideological side of life, who's convinced something's not right, but you're afraid your reputation might be tarnished because, after all, this could be one big Saul-Alinsky-style set-up, and the joke would be on you?

Fear not! Joe the Farmer has prepared an outline showing that no matter how this issue is ultimately resolved, you have legitimate concerns, and that Barack Obama should, simply out of respect for the nation he was elected to lead, disclose the sealed vault copy of his birth certificate.

Given the circumstances, if Barack Obama respected this nation, he would prove it by the simplest and easiest of gestures - unless, of course, all this talk about change and hope was just a bunch of bull, and he's just "another politician." Here's the outline:

1. Under Hawaiian law, it is possible (both legally and illegally) for a person to have been born out of state, yet have a birth certificate on file in the Department of Health.

A. From Hawaii's official Department of Health, Vital Records webpage: "Amended certificates of birth may be prepared and filed with the Department of Health, as provided by law, for 1) a person born in Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health or 2) a person born in a foreign country" (applies to adopted children).

B. A parent may register an in-state birth in lieu of certification by a hospital of birth under HRS 338-5.

C. Hawaiian law expressly provides for registration of out-of-state births under HRS 338-17.8. A foreign birth presumably would have been recorded by the American consular of the country of birth, and presumably that would be reflected on the Hawaiian birth certificate.

D. Hawaiian law, however, expressly acknowledges that its system is subject to error. See, for example, HRS 338-17.

E. Hawaiian law expressly provides for verification in lieu of certified copy of a birth certificate under HRS 338-14.3.

F. Even the Hawaii Department of Home Lands does not accept a certified copy of a birth certificate as conclusive evidence for its homestead program. From its web site: "In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green.

This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL."

2. Contrary to what you may have read, no document made available to the public, nor any statement by Hawaiian officials, evidences conclusively that Obama was born in Hawaii.

A. Associated Press reported about a statement of Hawaii Health Department Director Dr. Fukino, "State declares Obama birth certificate genuine."

B. That October 31, 2008 statement says that Dr. Fukino "ha[s] personally seen and verified that the Hawai'i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."

That statement does not, however, verify that Obama was born in Hawaii, and as explained above, under Hawaiian policies and procedures it is quite possible that Hawaii may have a birth record of a person not born in Hawaii. Unlikely, but possible.

C. The document that the Obama campaign released to the public is a certified copy of Obama's birth record, which is not the best evidence since, even under Hawaiian law, the original vault copy is the better evidence. Presumably, the vault record would show whether his birth was registered by a hospital in Hawaii.

D. Without accusing anyone of any wrongdoing, we nevertheless know that some people have gone to great lengths, even in violation of laws, rules and procedures, to confer the many benefits of United States citizenship on themselves and their children.

Given the structure of the Hawaiian law, the fact that a parent may register a birth, and the limited but inherent potential for human error within the system, it is possible that a parent of a child born out-of-state could have registered that birth to confer the benefits of U.S. citizenship, or simply to avoid bureaucratic hassles at that time or later in the child's life.

1. We don't know whether the standards of registration by the Department of Health were more or less stringent in 1961 (the year of Obama's birth) than they are today. However, especially with post-9/11 scrutiny, we do know that there have been instances of fraudulent registrations of foreign births as American births.

2. From a 2004 Department of Justice news release about multiple New Jersey vital statistics employees engaged in schemes to issue birth certificates to foreign-born individuals: "An individual who paid Anderson and her co-conspirators for the service of creating the false birth records could then go to Office of Vital Statistics to receive a birth certificate . . .

As part of the investigation, federal agents executed a search warrant of the HCOVS on Feb. 18, 2004, which resulted in the seizure of hundreds of suspect Certificates of Live Birth which falsely indicated that the named individuals were born in Jersey City, when in fact, they were born outside the United States and were in the United States illegally . . . Bhutta purchased from Goswamy false birth certificates for himself and his three foreign-born children."

3. Even before 9/11, government officials acknowledged the "ease" of obtaining birth certificates fraudulently. From 1999 testimony by one Social Security Administration official: "Furthermore, the identity data contained in Social Security records are only as reliable as the evidence on which the data are based.

The documents that a card applicant must present to establish age, identity, and citizenship, usually a birth certificate and immigration documents-are relatively easy to alter, counterfeit, or obtain fraudulently."

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: barrysoetoro; birthcertificate; certifigate; january; obama; phoney
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To: utahagen

Dont be afraid of what you think..especially when you are probably right. Just ask your friends WHY he had his records sealed when we were able to see those of any other president.

21 posted on 01/07/2010 9:52:18 PM PST by New Yawk Minute
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What is he Hiding and Why?

Edwin Vieira, Constitutional Lawyer: "at the inauguration. . he's aware he's not a citizen, then it's a perjured oath."

My favorite: "Silence can only be equated with fraud where there is a legal or moral duty to speak or where an inquiry left unanswered would be intentionally misleading." United States v Prudder, 424 F. 2d 1021(5thCir. 1970),cert. denied, 400 U.S. 831 (1970)

What a coward for not showing his Long Form Birth Certificate, not to mention his other bonafides.

22 posted on 01/07/2010 9:52:39 PM PST by Art in Idaho
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To: onyx
You read the comments at American Thinker!
It's part of the article. I don't see any comments there.

As an aside...I read almost every article on threads I reply on. You have to know the topic of conversation.
I read everything from sites like American Thinker.
Barf Alerts rarely get a view.

23 posted on 01/07/2010 9:56:48 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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0bamas’ hidden records: Why are these off limits?

1 Certified copy of original birth certificate
2 Columbia University transcripts
3 Columbia thesis paper
4 Campaign donor analysis requested by 7 major watchdog groups
5 Harvard University transcripts
6 Illinois State Senate records
7 Illinois State Senate schedule
8 Law practice client list and billing records/summary
9 Locations and names of all half-siblings and step-mother
10 Medical records (only the one page summary released so far)
11 Occidental College Transcripts
12 Parent’s marriage Certificate
13 Record of baptism
14 Selective Service registration records
15 Schedules for trips outside of the United States before 2007
16 Passport records for all passports
17 Scholarly articles
18 SAT and LSAT test scores
19 Access to his grandmother in Kenya
20 List of all campaign workers that are lobbyists
21 Punahou grade school records
22 Noelani Kindergarten records are oddly missing from the the State of Hawaii Department of Education.
23 Page 11 of Stanley Ann Dunham's divorce decree.

Anyone who cares about their country would be very concerned that a POTUS had hidden every scrap of information of his life that he possibly could.

24 posted on 01/07/2010 9:58:35 PM PST by TigersEye (Tar & feathers! Pitchforks and torches! ... Get some while supplies last.)
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To: New Yawk Minute

I wonder where Alan Keyes suit is in the courts about the bastard’s citizenship? One of the suits was dismissed, but I think Keyes is still in the Courts.

25 posted on 01/07/2010 10:01:57 PM PST by ZULU (God guts and guns made America great. Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam.)
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To: philman_36

This article is from 2008 - A.T. has 335 comments. I read the first page.

26 posted on 01/07/2010 10:03:12 PM PST by onyx
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What bugs me is the Dems were all ready to contest the “natural born citizen” status of McCain.

Exactly where is the dividing line between NBC and non-NBC?

I don’t know. I don’t think there is judicial case law on it, at least for the Presidential elections, and there is an argument that the electoral college is a non-judicial activity. Because the House and Senate have accepted the electors’ ballots, the eligibility may be resolved already. As I said, I don’t know. I am not a lawyer and even lawyers can differ on the finer points of the law.

27 posted on 01/07/2010 10:03:28 PM PST by donmeaker (Invicto)
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To: TigersEye
The sad truth is if you or I had O's history and bonafides and tried to hide the list you showed, we would be skewered, tarred and feathered and skinned alive by the MSM!
28 posted on 01/07/2010 10:05:42 PM PST by Art in Idaho
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To: Art in Idaho

Very few babies can testify where they were born.

29 posted on 01/07/2010 10:07:27 PM PST by donmeaker (Invicto)
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I firmly believe only a Tea party sized event upon Washington with the strong emphasis upon Obamas legal standing to be POTUS will crack the “force field” surrounding him.

30 posted on 01/07/2010 10:08:44 PM PST by Eye of Unk (Phobos, kerdos, and doxa, said the Time Traveler. “Fear, self-interest, and honor.”)
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To: Art in Idaho
...not to mention his other bonafides.

Mr. Dunham: I am the only POTUS you got! I'm the damn POTUSfamilias!
Crowd of Citizens: But you ain't bona fide!
/O Brother, Where Art Thou? imitation {;^)

31 posted on 01/07/2010 10:09:51 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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32 posted on 01/07/2010 10:09:54 PM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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this is the issue that will not die

33 posted on 01/07/2010 10:10:50 PM PST by screaming eagle2 (No matter what you call it,a pre-owned automobile is STILL A USED CAR!!!)
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To: onyx
I see the comments now.
Nah, I didn't read any of the comments, just the article.
34 posted on 01/07/2010 10:12:25 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: screaming eagle2
this is the issue that will not die
I can't wait until the veritable blue dress gets dragged out of the closet. Some guys are all the same.
35 posted on 01/07/2010 10:17:26 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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I am not sure what happened to his, but I believe some case was supposed to come up in January.

I am losing hope. I do hope they keep trying..but it seems like nothing happens.

36 posted on 01/07/2010 10:18:08 PM PST by New Yawk Minute
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let’s see it

37 posted on 01/07/2010 10:19:23 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: donmeaker
Very few babies can testify where they were born.

Their Long Form Birth Certificate can.

38 posted on 01/07/2010 10:22:34 PM PST by Art in Idaho
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Fine article, that is followed by a large number of uninformed and incorrect comments on American Thinker.

People still seem to be stuck on the "His mom was a citizen so Obama automatically became a citizen." IT'S NOT TRUE.

Obama's mother was too young to pass her American citizenship on to her son IF she gave birth outside the United States. She was eighteen, and the law at that time required that she have resided in the U.S. for at five years after age fourteen.

Here is confirmation of the "five years after age fourteen" requirement in a United States Department of State document from the Department of State website, "U.S. Department of State Foreign Affairs Manual Volume 7 - Consular Affairs":

Page 17:

7 FAM 1133.2-2 Original Provisions and Amendments to Section 301
(CT:CON-317; 12-08-2009)

a. Section 301 as Effective on December 24, 1952: When enacted in 1952,section 301 required a U.S. citizen married to an alien to have been physically present in the United States for ten years, including five after reaching the age of fourteen, to transmit citizenship to foreign-born children.

39 posted on 01/07/2010 10:23:42 PM PST by TChad
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To: New Yawk Minute
He is definitely hiding something and seems to be getting a whole lot of help doing so.

Couple that with a fraudulent claim of citizenship and you have a possible conspiracy to defraud the United States.

40 posted on 01/07/2010 10:27:27 PM PST by Rapscallion (They really did pledge their lives, fortunes, and sacred honor. How now?)
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